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Face Wash said:
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Face wash is a man among boys
 
Can that actually be his real leg and if so how long has he had that tat?


So far so many solid ideas but one that I heard somewhere else is interesting to me.

We were talking about team chemistry and its importance in winning a championship when the timeless energy that having a couple of rookies in your line up can bring to your team. After thinking about it we had King Nolan and VV all as rookies on our cup team and the truth can be said for several other championship teams.

Fresh legs? The excitement of actually playing in the NHL? Several reason but it is interesting or at least to me it is an interesting thing.
 
Emphasize execution. Try to keep the lines together to allow chemistry to develop. In short, give it some more games before making any big changes.
 
They have to move the puck faster, it doesn't matter who you put in the lineup if the Kings are going to continue moving the puck slow.

It won't matter, they have to move the puck with (Quick decisive movement). Or it's not going to matter what the lines are.
 
kingsholygrail said:
Emphasize execution. Try to keep the lines together to allow chemistry to develop. In short, give it some more games before making any big changes.
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That is fine for the first line who has proven it in the past. Keep them together, there is a lot of skill.

The King-Stoll-Lewis line could play together for the next decade and there would be no offensive chemistry because there is no offensive talent.

The Kings need two more skilled guys to field a complete team. At the expense of pretty much anyone on the bottom six other than Lewis, none of them have played well enough to have guaranteed spots.
 
Herby said:
That is fine for the first line who has proven it in the past. Keep them together, there is a lot of skill.

The King-Stoll-Lewis line could play together for the next decade and there would be no offensive chemistry because there is no offensive talent.

The Kings need two more skilled guys to field a complete team. At the expense of pretty much anyone on the bottom six other than Lewis, none of them have played well enough to have guaranteed spots.
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They're not gonna dump the bottom six for a bunch of call ups. Be realistic.
 
Tonellisghost said:
I think one thing we can all agree on is that we aren't playing as well as we possibly can and that's cool but the question is what would you do to fix the problems that you are seeing. Lots of good examples/idea's so far but there are still allot of posters sharing your observations but leaving out your suggestions as to how they might be remedied.

Let us know your suggestions. It would be great to have a list of potential remedies but 4pm Thursday afternoon if possible.

Be as specific as possible and keep em coming.
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Do you have a meeting scheduled with Lombardi and Sutter or something?
 
If I was Sutter I'de do this.

Bench Muzzin and replace him with Martinez.
Bench Dwight King and Colin Fraser.
Call up Tyler Toffoli.
Put Carcillo into the line-up.

Change the lines to this.

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Toffoli-Richards-Carter
Clifford-Lewis-Frattin
Carcillo-Stoll-Nolan
 
Colin Fraser is not "the problem", but I've been adamant that the closest he should be to the ice is the press box. He is not very good at anything except trying to hit guys with his immense 150 pound frame and then getting ragdolled.

I felt that a huge mistake from last game was throwing the 4th line out there immediately after that dominating shift the first line had in the first period. They came out and sucked, killed momentum, and then Doughty turned the puck over and it's 1-0. They had another similar shift later in the game and, while I have a known Nolan bias, it certainly isn't Nolan that is playing poorly.

I've been a proponent of the 11-77-10-28 since Day 1 of the off-season and still believe that is the solution. If the Top 2 lines and/or powerplay don't score 3 goals a game, the Kings will be routinely losing games.

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Call up Toffoli so this forward corp can have some needed offensive help. Fraser is useless. I don't care if Toffoli isn't great at defense...we've currently got six guys skating that will be lucky to combine for 30 goals total this year with the current lines. Toffoli has proven that he isn't a wuss along the boards and will go to the hard areas.

I'm all for culture and making guys pay their dues under the guise that it will make them better players and men in the future, but I don't want to piss away "the window" this team has of winning to do so. The core isn't getting better: just older. The time is here to help them out with some young talent on offense.
 
They're not gonna dump the bottom six for a bunch of call ups. Be realistic.
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They are not 'call ups' , they are very talented top 6 prospects who have shown, through their play last year in Manchester and in a very competitive, training camp, some of them are NHL ready.

Pearson by all accounts, was a real standout in camp and presseaon games. The's a top 6 player with a good 2 way game, strong on the puck and a good IQ. He scores goals, he creates scoring chances because he has that top 6 skill set and mentality.
Putting him on the 3rd line, is a 100% improviement over what they have now, which are bottom 6 players. Clifford and Lewis create energey and hit, that's all fine and good but they won't score, and not produce those chances on a consistant basis because they don't have that skill set.
Pearson upgrades that line because of what he can do and has done and will do. Having a top 6 mindset on the 3rd line would bring consistant scoring chances.

THe 3rd line is dragging down this team, and putting too miuc h pressure on the top 2 lines. That is a large part of why the team strugged in the playoffs last year. Because for the most part, it was only the 2nd line that was producing.

Fraser is replacable, by SToll or Lewis and King should be in the 4th line with Nolan, where he belongs.

It's not 'dumping' the bottom 6, it's revamping those 2 lines to give the team a better chance of winning.
 
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I've been a proponent of the 11-77-10-28 since Day 1 of the off-season and still believe that is the solution. If the Top 2 lines and/or powerplay don't score 3 goals a game, the Kings will be routinely losing games.

23-11-14
21-77-73
74-10-22
13/17-28-71
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How is saddling MR with Lewis and King an improvment? That's worse than the 3rd line is now. YOu have a line that won't score 5 x 5 and then you'll have Kings fans complaining the MR is stealing a salary, overpaid, not producing. PUtting MR , a crafty and talented playmaking center with non skilled wingers is a recipe for disaster. It wont' work and Sutter isn't that dumb.
Carter and Richards are far better together than they are apart, they produce scoring chances on a consistant basis just about every game and goals because they work well together as a skilled , crafty playmaker and a sniper. They aren't the problem.
YOu have a 2nd line with 2 snipers and Frattin, you have decreased your scoring chances. Carter doesn't like being a set up and has said so often enought. He loves to shoot and it's what he does first and instinctively . It's why he likes playing with Richards, and Richards loves to dig out and steal pucks and pass. IT works, it works very well .
And since the first line hasn't been producing anything since the playoffs started, you will be relying on PP to win games.
Your line setup does very little for balanced 5 x 5 attack.
 
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If we're not doing a shakeup kind of trade and we're just swapping guys on lines, I'd put Lewis on a line with Richards and Carter. Every time he's been in the top 6 he's produced. He's got the speed to hang with Carter and can muck it up on that line.
 
There's some new guys this year, and not just on the ice. Let em' gel for abit and if that don't work then you make the changes necessary I guess. I had a dream last night where J Fox was ripping Sutter on air for not playing enough of the young guys after a rough game.
 
Originally Posted by Tonellisghost
We were talking about team chemistry and its importance in winning a championship when the timeless energy that having a couple of rookies in your line up can bring to your team. After thinking about it we had King Nolan and VV all as rookies on our cup team and the truth can be said for several other championship teams.

Fresh legs? The excitement of actually playing in the NHL? Several reason but it is interesting or at least to me it is an interesting thing.
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Top 6 I'm not worried about, they're solid. Mild concern that the 1st line hasn't been producing since the playoffs but they'll come around. 2nd line with Frattin has been the best line, consistent. And Frattin is going to be a great for the 2nd line and I agree with Sutter (below).
This from another great (game day) column by Jason Lewis today on HBuzz.


Frattin has been the Kings’ best forward so far this season and has looked like the long lost missing piece for the Carter and Richards tandem. Sutter himself has said that Frattin has been the best player and that’s a big compliment. It has been a good start for the guy who was considered a big unanswered question coming into the season.

The bottom 6 are are a concern, eps the 3rd line. And that's where your Fresh legs/new blood is on the mark. They have the bodies to do it and given how well some of those guys played in camp, I was disappointed at least one of them didn't make the club. I am hoping that gets rectified very quicly and Pearson perhaps is brought up.

D- Mitchell only needs time to get his game back after missing 18 mos. That will come and his leadership is priceless. DD and SV are fine, no qualms there. RR concerns me, he looks slow and out of sync too often. I like AMart, good to see him playing tonight. And Greene needs to stay out of the box.
D mostly needs to work on basics and transitional passes. And the forwards need to work on that as well

Three games isn't panic time, after all it's not how you start it's how you finish that counts. And making the corrections, working on the basics, and one solid 60 min. effort and a large W will help.
That starts tonight.
 
Originally Posted by Reaper45
Maybe I'm not watching him close enough but I haven't seen much for Frattin. Ill keep an eye on him tonight.
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It just might be what you're looking for. Given he has to adjust to a new team, new linemates and system and esp playing on the offwing, I wasn't looking for a dramatic, eye popping changeover. Realistically, I expected it to take most of the year for him to adjust. He's working hard, chasing pucks, he's fast, and his passing (note the 2 goals he assisted on) has been very good. He's very strong n the puck, esp on the boards and that's a big asset for that liine. They just need time together, so far he's on track. And I think he'll be a boost forthe 2nd unit PP.
Don't forget that he's on his offwing and that changes alot, being on the backhand.
 
I'll watch him owe tonight but I've really only seen him falling, getting beat along the boards and flubbing passes. I know he has two assists but maybe the negatives are just sticking out to me.
 
Reaper45 said:
I'll watch him owe tonight but I've really only seen him falling, getting beat along the boards and flubbing passes. I know he has two assists but maybe the negatives are just sticking out to me.
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Maybe you need to start seeing the good in people. Stop being such a Negative Norman!
 
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