The Fix is in (it's up to you).
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ScoreZeGoals
Boooorrrrriiiinnnnng
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I'll be looking at just the forward group:
The "core" guys will work it out, my problem is with the supplementary pieces. The first line (while full of good players) almost seems to not be on the same page, and it's been like that for a while. Frattin doesn't look comfortable taking passes on his backhand over on LW, and our bottom six is where offense goes to die. Bottom line is that we have a LW and 3rd line production problem even if the core is clicking. That means if at any point either of the duos of Kopi/Williams or Richards/Carter go through a slump, we are in trouble.
Brown-Kopi-Toffoli
Frattin-Richards-Carter
Pearson-Stoll-Williams
Clifford/King-Lewis-Nolan
The "core" guys will work it out, my problem is with the supplementary pieces. The first line (while full of good players) almost seems to not be on the same page, and it's been like that for a while. Frattin doesn't look comfortable taking passes on his backhand over on LW, and our bottom six is where offense goes to die. Bottom line is that we have a LW and 3rd line production problem even if the core is clicking. That means if at any point either of the duos of Kopi/Williams or Richards/Carter go through a slump, we are in trouble.
Brown-Kopi-Toffoli
Frattin-Richards-Carter
Pearson-Stoll-Williams
Clifford/King-Lewis-Nolan
etherialone
dialed in your mom
Interesting.
Instead of Toffi why not put Frattin (who I agree should be playing RW) on the 3rd line RW and leave JW on the first? Then put Pearson in Frattin's spot.
Brown/Kopi/Williams
Pearson/MR/Carter
Clifford/Stoll/Frattin
King/Lewis/Nolan
Would that be alright?
etherialone
dialed in your mom
Can you post an example of first how to get rid of RR and then a doable deal to bring in the Dman you are talking about? Just curious.
ScoreZeGoals
Boooorrrrriiiinnnnng
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Just a hypothetical, but if the Kings come out with two or three more totally uninspired efforts, you are fine with laying back another 14 or so games?
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I think the Kings just need to add atleast one, maybe two skilled players to the lineup at the expense of two of Fraser,Nolan, Clifford and King.
Balance the lines out by moving Carter to centering his own line, no matter what lines people draw up the Kings are going to have a weak bottom 6 as long as Stoll or Lewis are centering the 3rd lines. Those are simply not 3rd line caliber centers on a team as weak as the Kings are on the wing.
Pearson - Kopitar - Williams
Brown - Carter - Frattin
King - Richards - Toffoli
Clifford - Lewis - Stoll/Nolan
Switch Lewis to RW if Stoll plays over Nolan.
Balance the lines out by moving Carter to centering his own line, no matter what lines people draw up the Kings are going to have a weak bottom 6 as long as Stoll or Lewis are centering the 3rd lines. Those are simply not 3rd line caliber centers on a team as weak as the Kings are on the wing.
Pearson - Kopitar - Williams
Brown - Carter - Frattin
King - Richards - Toffoli
Clifford - Lewis - Stoll/Nolan
Switch Lewis to RW if Stoll plays over Nolan.
deeshamrock
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1st has struggled since the playoffs started and if they continue to not produce, I'd move one of the wingers down. If Brown's injury is hampering him now, move him to the 3rd and bring TT up there.
2nd line - is fine, has been producing and getting their chances. But if Frattin plays better on the 3rd (where he practiced today) then I'd bring Pearson up and give him a go at LW since he looked so good in camp. I don't like Carcillo, saw too much him in Philly. He's not top 6, okay for a game or 2 but not regular, doesn't have the hands or IQ . And isn't that what you develop your prospects for?
3rd line - has been awful since last year with those 3 forwards and needs a change .
Clifford and Lewis on the same line = no goals. It ain't gonna happen.
4th line - Fraser out. I'd put Carcillo and Nolan here with Lewis centering.
D is struggling and Regehr doesn't look like he is handling what he needs to, he seems slow . Mitchell hasn't played in like 18 mos so it will take him a couple of weeks at least to get his timing back. But he's crucial to the teams going deep. I don't know what to make of Muzzin and right now , the Kings can't afford his costly mitakes, esp since they are coming in clusters. AMart looked better in camp and was very good in the Cup drive. That concussion last year affected him and I think he's recovered from that now and would be a better fit.
THis team needs the D to buckle game and get their transitional game going, the system depends on that.
I think Sutter moved Frattin for 2 reasons, maybe to see if he is better /comfortable , producing on the RW and that line could use some producing and that 3rd line needs a change.
But I also figured it wouild take him most of the year to adjust to LW as far as shooting and such but if his physical game and creating space gave that line (which it has so far)_ opportunities , I'm fine with leaving him there and doing this:
ScoreZeGoals
Boooorrrrriiiinnnnng
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Definitely an improvement, but I still have my concerns about keeping the first line together. At the end of the day though, I feel both of those lineups are better than what we currently are icing
This really works for me, but I feel there is almost no chance Richards and Carter are split
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Muzzinga
Regehr GOAT
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Amnesty, waiver, trade for future considerations, lock him in his house
You can either trade Muzzin who has decent trade value + something small extra, for a more suitable dman, since we don;t need A-Mart and Muzzin
Or you make a bigger trade and go for Muzzin + Toffolli (or another top prospect)
AT the moment noone wants to trade their players though because everyone expects to make the playoffs, so it should have been done in the off season
Id also like to go back and trade King after the cup run like i said we should have done while his value was crazy high.
ScoreZeGoals
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Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
Send Stoll and Regehr and whatever else is necessary to get them out of LA. Ship them off to Calgary.
KingsFan7824
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Win face-offs.
Stoll - 48.7%
Kopitar - 43.3%
Richards - 37.5%
Lines don't matter if these numbers don't improve. Toffoli and Pearson aren't going to help much if these numbers don't improve. A puck possession team can't do what they do if they don't have the puck.
Stoll - 48.7%
Kopitar - 43.3%
Richards - 37.5%
Lines don't matter if these numbers don't improve. Toffoli and Pearson aren't going to help much if these numbers don't improve. A puck possession team can't do what they do if they don't have the puck.
The fix is in
The snaps of the steward so candid
The fix is in
Yes, our pigeons have finally landed
The Donahue sisters will meet us in France
In penguins and pearls, we'll drink and we'll dance
'Til the end of our days 'cause it ain't left to chance that we win
Cause the fix, the fix is in
Problem solved.
The snaps of the steward so candid
The fix is in
Yes, our pigeons have finally landed
The Donahue sisters will meet us in France
In penguins and pearls, we'll drink and we'll dance
'Til the end of our days 'cause it ain't left to chance that we win
Cause the fix, the fix is in
Problem solved.
kingsfan
President of the Todd McLellan fan club by default
Please define 'allot' and who makes up the body of this group. I don't see 'allot' of people say that, just a few hardcore bandwagoneers.
Jettison said bandwagoneers. Let logic reign for once around here.
See above.
I say we wake up and realize it's game 3 of a ****ing 82 game schedule. At least wait until November before hitting the self-destruct button people.
Reaper45
Registered User
I would try to move a combination of Regehr, Mitchell, Stoll, King, Clifford and Fraser. Would give us much needed cap space to bring up kids and allow the Kings to improve by getting rid of dead weight. Overreaction? Maybe. But we need a shake up.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Lombardi's two worst moves since winning the cup.
I didn't hate the trade for Regehr but how they could watch him play and think it was a good idea to sign him to an extension is just baffling. Contending teams trade for rentals all the time and when it doesn't work out they cut their losses, the Kings stupidly gave him an extension, just like they stupidly extended Stoll after the cup year. Both moves were indefensible.
People want to use the cap as an excuse for our lack of skilled players, well look no forward than the $6 mill in cap space the Kings are flushing down the toilet with these two guys for this year and next. Regehr is just to slow to be successful the way the game is played today and Stoll is a 4th line faceoff specialist who hasn't even won 50% of his draws so far this year. He can play a little bit on the PK but is a liability 5 on 5, to be paying 3 million each for faceoff specialist and a #6-7 caliber defenseman is poor cap management.
I don't see much of a market for either one of these guys, amazing considering the Kings just gave up multiple picks for RR last season.
Reaper45
Registered User
I was ok with re-signing Stoll, but the guy seems like he's not the same play after the Torres hit.
etherialone
dialed in your mom
I counted 11 of us who are up for big change and several people who are looking for suicide pens but other than that I agree that while there is definitely room for improvement I think 3 games into the season is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early to worry about it enough to anything radical.
Like I have said, let the core have the team and right it for a few weeks. They will and if not then we can start making minor moves if we absolutely have to do so. But I get that people are frustrated. We are a great team and have had great success so it falls in line that some of us would have greater expectations for us to show a more cohesive unit to start the season.
That said I think we look rusty and like we didn't expect to have to play as hard as we are having to at the start of this season. We do and they will step it up and within the next 8 games we will be righted and on track again. You just ride these things out until they correct themselves or it is shown that there simply isn't any possible way that happening.
I was ok with the Stoll signing. He can be a very good 3rd liner. To me though he needs to win faceoffs to be effective, and to be worth the $$.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
What is a very good 3rd liner? I guess we must have a different opinion of that.
I just have a hard time seeing how he has done anything or has the potential to do anything to justify that contract, his play has deteriorated to a 4th line level and the guy is 31 years old. It's probably downhill even more from here on out.
I had no problem with a one year deal like Penner got, to keep the cup team together (both were coming off hideous seasons). But 3 years, 9 million was way way overboard
Rumpelstiltskin
Serial Ruminator
Agree with this; the only mitigating factor was when it was revealed that Regehr was playing severely injured during a good chunk of his time as a King (I thought maybe he'd rebound and look at least decent to start the season)...doesn't seem to have really mattered, so far, does it?
In hindsight, I wonder if Lombardi should have just let Regehr walk and used that .5M from Scrivens to overpay for Scuderi. But I guess Scuderi was "homesick," so maybe that wasn't even feasible.
General question: can teams that haven't used their's, still use a compliance buyout now, or was that a Summer '13 option only?
