The Fate of Dubas

[mcleex]

Surely I can't be the only one bothered by his recent moves

Like the guy is actually wasting his time with these fringe NHLer signings Malgin, Benn, Mete

What is the game plan here? He's rounding up the roster with fringe NHLers on cheap deals and our team looks way worse on paper

I can't see him lasting till the end of the season

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[A1LeafNation]

Lol signing tweeners has you hot and bothered?

 

[Field of Dreams]

depth is an important consideration

 

[Gary Nylund]

Cool thread, hope to see a few more just like it soon.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Marlies need players too

 

[Face Of Bear]

Who would you rather have as our 8/9 D?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

If you want Dubas to be fired, that's fine. If you want him to be fired because the Leafs signed depth players, it makes you look like a lunatic that nobody could take seriously

 

[Suntouchable13]

depth is an important consideration

I know, but they keep changing the bottom 6 every year and every year out 1st round. Maybe it's time at some point to look at the 40M boys? Hopefully the new GM will be able to make some tough decisions here next summer.

 

[Stephen]

I could see a slow start to the season and shaky goaltending from Murray and Samsonov being the catalyst for a Dubas/Keefe dismissal a la Babcock two months into in 2019-20.

But I think it would be for the slow erosion of talent in the Leafs system and drift away from the original trajectory of the Shanaplan than what happened in free agency this year.

 

[Skullz]

I could see a slow start to the season and shaky goaltending from Murray and Samsonov being the catalyst for a Dubas/Keefe dismissal a la Babcock two months into in 2019-20.

But I think it would be for the slow erosion of talent in the Leafs system and drift away from the original trajectory of the Shanaplan than what happened in free agency this year.

Yes.

 

[al secord]

George is gettin' upset!

 

[The Masters]

He's fked

 

[notbias]

I want him to trade Nylander and sign Stastny for 6 million so everyone will be happy we wasted money.

 

[Buds17]

I'll save any worrying for when the depth signings are forced into roles well beyond their capabilities.

 

[Brown Dog]

To me, for the gamble he has made on goaltending this year, his job should be the stakes. It is risky, bordering on reckless.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Not too difficult to predict his fate. If this team flops because of the goaltending he's cooked. This team is good enough to do some damage if they can get some f***ing saves. If they don't and their out in round 1 again for the 7th straight playoffs then sayonara. I like Dubas as a person and think he's made a decent amount of good moves, but after a certain point you need to get a new voice with a new vision.

Another first round failure will be the 5th straight with Tavares on a 7 year deal which took up a huge chunk of cap space. Matthews and Nylander would each be one year away from UFA, so would Muzzin and Brodie who are key parts of the defence built by Dubas. Keefe who is Dubas' guy as coach will have failed for the fourth straight year to get out of round one, and he fired a guy who cost $50 million to sign and was only barely halfway through his contract to promote his buddy. Dubas has also burned through a not insignificant amount of first round picks trying to get this team over the hump, and has seen talent like Andersen, Hyman, Campbell, Van Riemsdyk, and Bozak walk for nothing and getting no assets in return.

There will be a lot of reasons to let him go if next season ends in the same pathetic first round exit again. Of course there's a world where Murray bounces back and is healthy or Samsonov shows why he was a first round pick in 2015, but the chances are pretty grim for both outcomes. Hell he might find another Campbell mid-season, a backup with untapped potential who could save them if the goaltending struggles again.

I hope it doesn't come to having to fire him. I really hope his bet pays off and the Leafs go on a run of some kind in the playoffs. Not because I desperately want Dubas to keep his job, but I want this f***ing team to win something for Goddamn once and having playoff success will likely be key for getting Matthews to re-sign before he would want to test free agency.

 

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[ToneDog]

To me, for the gamble he has made on goaltending this year, his job should be the stakes. It is risky, bordering on reckless.

It is clear, if he is going down it will be on his terms. How ironic in that that is the same thinking Babs had. Always bet on Babs. Wrong dummy.

 

[WillyC]

If Murray and Sams play well and we improve on 4th and 100+ points… folks be saying, Dubas got lucky, still run him outta town.

 

[al secord]

If we get decent goaltending and injury luck, we're probably top 3 or 5 team in the league.

So yes, fire everyone.

 

[NewEraGM]

What a terrible offseason
Gaudette, Aube Kubel, Malgin, Benn, Mete

Some of these players are playing game 1. These are not all players for marlies, these are game 1 players which is scary as hell.

The bottom 6 up front is atrocious.

 

[Lightsol]

depth is an important consideration

What's hilarious is how many people forget that Martin St. Louis was 24, released by two teams, and barely made the Tampa Bay Lightning in 2003... And then he exploded. It's why I don't get angry about picking up depth players, unless they show to be incapable and then the team keeps playing them as if they were capable (see Justin Holl) - because you just NEVER KNOW.

 

[Mess]

What a terrible offseason
Gaudette, Aube Kubel, Malgin, Benn, Mete

Some of these players are playing game 1. These are not all players for marlies, these are game 1 players which is scary as hell.

The bottom 6 up front is atrocious.

In order to see Leafs vision you have to ask yourself this question; If the Leafs had access to these new signings for last playoffs at the expense of players like Mikheyev, Spezza, Kase, Blackwell, Lyubushkin etc instead would the Leafs have beaten Tampa Bay in round #1 with better supporting depth?

That is essentially what Leafs management is banking on if they meet Tampa Bay again next year or another strong team that these new additions at the expense of last years subtractions are the difference makers between winning or losing in round #1.

Not everyone is on board or able to see this vision and are a little skeptical, while others are fully onboard with the improvements and the direction being taken. Others will tell you these are still early days and Dubas has simply prioritized all the depth moves first, and then the real roster moves to improve the team for playoff contention are still coming but as a secondary priority.

 

[Enniskillen]

Dubas is a fraud with fake glasses who would have been fired by more serious organization after so many first round exits. Leafs’ management is a cirque de soleil, which is sad taking into account our financial prowess.

 

[Osmows OReilly]

Guys let’s be honest, if any other team in the league lost in the first round six straight times with practically the same management, coaching and players, and seemingly refuse to make any major changes to get over the hump, we’d all be rightfully clowning them. Yet with the Leafs it’s always the same excuses.