The fans here have been asking for a team like this for years now, they got what they wanted. This is the monkey's paw

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What? He’s been on the ice for 8GA and 0GF in less than 8:00TOI in a dozen games. What would it take for you to consider someone a boat anchor?
What is it that makes you happy he’s on the roster?
A boat anchor meaning a steadying presence, or a boat anchor meaning a liability? I am happy that he provides toughness. I am happy that when he fights in a game, Matthews scores a hat trick , and the team wins.
 
I just don't understand giving a 35+ player a three-year contract that can't be buried.

I would much rather see Bobby McMann than RyanReaves on the roster.
 
It's like these people don't realize we can pull up receipts from past threads.

Lets do another one but use a different player we never acquired - Tanner Jeannot. Jeannot if many of you remember was traded to Tampa for Cal Foot and FIVE draft picks. Here's a really good example of how the hockey world grossly overrates a guy just because he's a big face puncher:





Tanner Jeannot since that trade: 9 points, 33 games, -10, including -3 in only 9 minutes of icetime from the most recent Tampa Toronto game.
‘Examples’ without names attached to them are meaningless as are the constant generalizations being thrown around this thread.
 
You wanted do nothing tough enforcers that would protect the team, you got Ryan Reaves.

You wanted a big name D-man, you got John Klingberg.

You wanted some snarl in the top 6, you got Max Domi and Tyler Bertuzzi.

You wanted a hockey man with lots of experience in charge of things, you got Brad Treliving who has 10 years of being a GM.

You were tired of the nerds running things, so now you have a team that has been caved in on expected goals this season.

You got what you wanted, you just didn't know what this team needed.

The problem with the Leafs over the last few seasons:

1) Goaltending - We haven't really gotten a stable solution since Andersen was here. I'm a Dubas guy but he does have a big weakness when it comes to evaluating goaltenders.

2) Transition Defense - This is something that dates back to the Columbus series. The Leafs are a slow skating team on the back end with Morgan Rielly as the only truly fast skater so they are suseptible to counter attacking teams. This was probably most clearly shown in the Montreal series; Montreal only scored 1 goal off of a sustained forecheck that entire series, the rest of their goals came on special teams (3) and or rush attacks. Justin Bourne after that series noted that Montreal that season relied more on transition offense than any other team in the league and Toronto was one of the worst at transition defense. The Leafs countered this by playing a heavy posession offense which. This problem would pop up vs Tampa the next season and Florida the season after. Florida in our most recent series scored 80% of their goals off rush attacks and not heavy forechecking as people here think.

3) Transition Offense - Basically the other side of the coin as above. This team only has two players who are truly good at transition offense - Nylander and Reilly. Most of the lines are built for heavy posession game. Not that there's anything wrong with that but you do need a balance. Teams that are too one dimensional don't go far.

None of these things were solved in the off season.
Don't we still have nerds running things, with the exception of Brad? Isn't everyone else a nerd?
 
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The issue goes back to the same thing...you are paying over $40m for your top 4 forwards, that doesn't leave as much for everything else as most other teams in the league have.
It can be Reaves or anyone else...the truth is you have less money for the rest of the roster than just about every other team does. You want that top 4 the way it is (not that any of us have/had a choice), then you have to deal with what you are given for the rest of the roster.

You got 146 goals last year for that $40m+ in those 4 guys, and that is great. With a healthy Matthews, you should get 150+

But...look at what other teams are doing:

Buffalo got 149 goals from their top 4 forward and it costs them 27.8m

Jerseys top 4 had 146 goals last year and its costing them $32m now.

Vegas got about 100 (missed games though so their goals per game points to a production of closer to 120) and they pay those top 4 $30.4m this year.

Colorado got 135 goals (potentially more due to missed time) from their top 4 and it cost them just over $32m this year.

There are other examples but...if you are going to pay your top 4 forwards a 20-30% premium over most of the rest of the league, then you need them to carry your team like no other, as that leaves a lot less for the rest of the roster.

This team is good, but honestly for what you are paying them, they need to keep up a 150-160 goal pace for the entire season...AND lets not even talk about what you are going to need from them once the playoffs start.

its hard to complain too much about the bottom of the roster (or the middle for that matter), when you have 8% - 16% less cap space for your 'bottom 20 guys' than just about anyone else in the league, not to mention with the recent draft position you don't have a bunch of highly skilled young guys making little money waiting in the wings to step in.
 
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You wanted do nothing tough enforcers that would protect the team, you got Ryan Reaves.

You wanted a big name D-man, you got John Klingberg.

You wanted some snarl in the top 6, you got Max Domi and Tyler Bertuzzi.

You wanted a hockey man with lots of experience in charge of things, you got Brad Treliving who has 10 years of being a GM.

You were tired of the nerds running things, so now you have a team that has been caved in on expected goals this season.

You got what you wanted, you just didn't know what this team needed.

The problem with the Leafs over the last few seasons:

1) Goaltending - We haven't really gotten a stable solution since Andersen was here. I'm a Dubas guy but he does have a big weakness when it comes to evaluating goaltenders.

2) Transition Defense - This is something that dates back to the Columbus series. The Leafs are a slow skating team on the back end with Morgan Rielly as the only truly fast skater so they are suseptible to counter attacking teams. This was probably most clearly shown in the Montreal series; Montreal only scored 1 goal off of a sustained forecheck that entire series, the rest of their goals came on special teams (3) and or rush attacks. Justin Bourne after that series noted that Montreal that season relied more on transition offense than any other team in the league and Toronto was one of the worst at transition defense. The Leafs countered this by playing a heavy posession offense which. This problem would pop up vs Tampa the next season and Florida the season after. Florida in our most recent series scored 80% of their goals off rush attacks and not heavy forechecking as people here think.

3) Transition Offense - Basically the other side of the coin as above. This team only has two players who are truly good at transition offense - Nylander and Reilly. Most of the lines are built for heavy posession game. Not that there's anything wrong with that but you do need a balance. Teams that are too one dimensional don't go far.

None of these things were solved in the off season.
All that is nice and dandy because in a sense you're sort of right let's have a look shall we?

Leafs Nation wanted team toughness which isn't the same as a face puncher, but it would have been a good start if that face puncher would have been a 5 years younger Mike Wilson. I don't believe I heard one person here saying "gee how bout Reavo, he'd be good!"

Bertuzzi is a guy who has twice scored 20 and once hit 30 while having some injury problems to contend with. He has also been a notorious slow starter in his career. He's also been known to be a shift disturber and a guy who doesnt back down, which is something we didn't have, unless you think that guy was Bunts. Bert may finally be in the right spot as LW with 91 and 88. It's possible this is what will work for him.

Domi is another guy who's had varying degrees of success in the league, his success was "always while playing centre;" well he's now finally at 3centre where he should've been instead of on his off wing while they waited to see if Mintz was ready or Kampf was ready. Domi is now where he should be, so we'll just wait and see.

Unless we're talking 3 years ago nobody was clamouring for John Klingberg to be signed and certainly not at 7mX7, though there could've still been some LeaFlanders willing to pay him that, nobody in Leafs Nation said anything about this guy.

As far as all the transition offense/defence hoo-haw. Sheldon is a 2-1-2 guy with a right rotation PP, it's a formula used by a number of coach's in the league, and goes back to Toe Blake. If it were me though I'm a 2-3 guy when it comes to defending my end 5v5, and a 1-2-1 PP guy.
 
Sounds familiar. Stephen King?
Long before King, Hitchcock used it on his hour long show and it's from a short story by an author by the name of Abrams(?) It's a "careful what you wish for as everything comes with a price" type of story.

Basically a guy having a shitty life is given a dried up monkey paw and is told that he can have 3 wishes but not all at once.

You should read it, it's entertaining and from what I remember quite well written.
 
Long before King, Hitchcock used it on his hour long show and it's from a short story by an author by the name of Abrams(?) It's a "careful what you wish for as everything comes with a price" type of story.

Basically a guy having a shitty life is given a dried up monkey paw and is told that he can have 3 wishes but not all at once.

You should read it, it's entertaining and from what I remember quite well written.
Jacobs. And yes its a beauty
 
A boat anchor meaning a steadying presence, or a boat anchor meaning a liability? I am happy that he provides toughness. I am happy that when he fights in a game, Matthews scores a hat trick , and the team wins.
He’s a liability how dense are you? He hasn’t fought anyone in forever because he’s apparently “too tough” for the average player to be concerned with, when he’s on the ice the leafs get absolutely caved in and otherwise he has to ride Pine and make everyone else cover his minutes.
Sick locker room playlist tho
 
He’s a liability how dense are you? He hasn’t fought anyone in forever because he’s apparently “too tough” for the average player to be concerned with, when he’s on the ice the leafs get absolutely caved in and otherwise he has to ride Pine and make everyone else cover his minutes.
Sick locker room playlist tho
That is an easy question to answer. You think about how dense you are and the answer is much less dense than you are. What playlist are you referring too?

Can we not bury him for the last two years of the deal for almost nothing? That buyout is not flattering
Yes, it will cost about 200k I cap to bury him.
 
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He’s a liability how dense are you? He hasn’t fought anyone in forever because he’s apparently “too tough” for the average player to be concerned with, when he’s on the ice the leafs get absolutely caved in and otherwise he has to ride Pine and make everyone else cover his minutes.
Sick locker room playlist tho

Why do you feel a need to post like this?
 
He’s a liability how dense are you? He hasn’t fought anyone in forever because he’s apparently “too tough” for the average player to be concerned with, when he’s on the ice the leafs get absolutely caved in and otherwise he has to ride Pine and make everyone else cover his minutes.
Sick locker room playlist tho
Wow man would you really want one of our beloved Bud's to be known around the league as some kind of bully, do you?
 
As far as all the transition offense/defence hoo-haw. Sheldon is a 2-1-2 guy with a right rotation PP, it's a formula used by a number of coach's in the league, and goes back to Toe Blake. If it were me though I'm a 2-3 guy when it comes to defending my end 5v5, and a 1-2-1 PP guy.
I dunno if you're being facetious or not here.

- Keefe uses a 1-1-3 forecheck. The Leafs are actually quite famous for around the league for it. It's a forecheck that Trotz used in Washington and New York. Tampa Bay used it in 21-22.
- When he was the Marlies coach, Keefe used the 1-2-2 he'll often have the team switch it up during a game.
- 2-1-2 is used by a lot by Tortarella, Keefe experimented with that in the 21-22 season but moved away from it when he realized that the Leafs were giving up a lot of transition chances. The game where they lost 7-1 to Pittsburgh was the catalyst for the change.
 
Honestly, I just don’t think the boys like each other in and out of the room.

Also..

They don’t hate to lose.
 
The reality:

Our bottom six used to be made up of guys who were all defensively responsible but a bit weak offensively. You guys never appreciated guys like Engvall, Johnsson, Brown, Kapanen, Kerfoot, Kase, Mikyhev etc. when they were here because they weren't mythical perfect 3rd and 4th liners that could score goal, lay big hits and fight people. Newsflash: If a 3rd and 4th liner was that versatile, they wouldn't be on the bottom six. Most bottom sixes are made up of flawed, imperfect players that have skillsets that mesh so they can cover for one another. There are no Eric Lindros' sneakily playing on a team's bottom six somewhere.

In the off season we let a bunch of guys walk and brought in players that are known for their offense but are terrible defensively and we didn't retain anyone that could cover for them.

Kampf is okay defensive, he's not THAT good that he carries a line defensively. He also had really good chemistry with guys that could carry the puck through multiple zones. Mikeyhev and Engvall were good with him. You add a tenacious forechecker to that line to make up for the lack of physicality and you got yourself a decent 4th line. We brought in Ryan Reaves. We could have just kept Sam Lafferty and Noah Accari. As it stands, I wouldn't be opposed to bringing back Connor Brown if he's waived by the Oilers. He's coming off an ACL tear, was a Selke nominee a few years ago and could provide a bit of forechecking to the bottom 6.
 
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