The false opportunity cost of 11.6
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LickTheEnvelope
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Since the all-star game last year it almost feels like the Pettersson we had was a top 5 NHL center and we have watched him relegate his play down to a top 3rd line center. I mean he's not a garbage player, he just simply isn't a top line center and his playoff play really showed that where Lindholm (who is now terrible again) was the far superior center.
So the problem now, as a fan, is do you want to see Pettersson plug along like a 3rd liner? Once you get past this season the value of trading him falls off a cliff, even if his play does improve.
If you can package a Pettersson and get a Dobson+ ... is the offense next game really even all that affected?
I don't know if Pettersson has just totally checked out from Tocchet as well but it doesn't seem like he wants to be a top player on the team.
So the problem now, as a fan, is do you want to see Pettersson plug along like a 3rd liner? Once you get past this season the value of trading him falls off a cliff, even if his play does improve.
If you can package a Pettersson and get a Dobson+ ... is the offense next game really even all that affected?
I don't know if Pettersson has just totally checked out from Tocchet as well but it doesn't seem like he wants to be a top player on the team.
I understand where you're coming from, but the problem I have with this logic is the same one I with the idea of replacing Petey with Barzal. They're just not good enough to make us a contender. You need (imo) a 100 pt Petey or someone of comparable skill and production PLUS a Barzal, Dobson, etc. They are both 50-80 point producers, and we can't afford another JT like trade. While it's obviously a big risk and difficult to have patience for, I still believe we give Petey more time.
LickTheEnvelope
Weird time to be a Canucks fan 2024
Petey is on pace for 55 points this year.
If you look at the playoffs last year he was tied for 5th on forward in points with 1 goal and 6 points in 13 games (about the same as his 55 point season pace this year).
He was behind:
Miller and Boeser with 12 points each
Lindholm with 10 points
Joshua with 8 points
you also had Garland with 5 points.
Hughes had 10 points and Zadorov was a monster with 8 points.
The point is, even on a successful run that almost got the team (missing Demko!) into a Western final they basically had the shitty Petterrson now but at far less cost.
Imagine Pettersson is now never a 100 point player again on the Canucks but more like a 70 point average player. Is he worth the $11+ mil?
Exactly. They absolute do not need Pettersson to be a contender. They also don't need an 100 pt center. They are good now and he's been giving them nothing for a long time. There are different ways to build your team, and Vancouver should be built around Hughes, team defense, puck possession/retrieval and goaltending.
The Blues won with their top center getting 77 points. Barkov last year had 80. You do need a mix of guys who have the speed, skill and power to penetrate through tight defenses in the playoffs, but it doesn't mean anyone needs 100 points the regular season.
Throw last year out though… it’s pretty clear last year he had a significant injury that was confirmed.
If you don’t like his play this season fine, he has not been good, but making assumptions based on last year is how you get burned badly.
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He's choosing to play in the 4 nations... what does that tell you about his "injury" that requires rehab?
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The Blues team was an outlier and was running on a heater. If I recall, they were dead last at one point in that season. Where has the team been since? That's not a repeatable strategy unless we're banking on Canucks being a one-hit wonder and getting very lucky.
Barkov with only had 80 pts, but the skill surrounding him wasn't mediocre.
Reinhart with 94
Tkachuk with 88
Verhaghe with 72
I'm not sure who on the Canucks are going to be generating those kind of ppg numbers around Chytil.
Barkov with only had 80 pts, but the skill surrounding him wasn't mediocre.
Reinhart with 94
Tkachuk with 88
Verhaghe with 72
I'm not sure who on the Canucks are going to be generating those kind of ppg numbers around Chytil.
Vegas won with Jack Eichel leading the team with 66 points in the regular season.
Well no one else had more on that team no matter how many games they played.
And remember that they convincingly beat a team that in the regular season had a player with 153 points and another that had 128.
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Guys, these aren't great examples. Barkov is/was supported by high end depth (Tkachuk, Reinhart), and the Blues are an outlier. Eichel is a star and also supported by high end depth.
My point isn't that his current play is good enough. I just think it's a better bet to take the risk on Petey because we know the potential is there, and that we won't get enough in trade return.
