The false opportunity cost of 11.6

[PuckMunchkin]

Well, I've had tendonitis twice. And you'll never heal up unless you rest it. Unless you're cool with having 11.6 in damaged goods just cause?

And a ~week will make a difference?

He will get his power back skating?

 

[Dirtyclapper]

And a ~week will make a difference?

He will get his power back skating?

If he's injured he should be sitting out until he's healthy, not like he's scoring points anyways he should be focusing on healing if he's injured (he's not)

 

[Zarpan]

Hell, EP40 was suppose to be back because Miler isn't on the team anymore. 15 points in 10 games without Miller were being paraded around the Canucks discussion boards as proof. So is it injuries or is it Miller? If it's both then how did he get 15 points in those 10 games while injured?

It is probably more due to Hughes being out now. When Miller was gone before, EP40 got a chance to play more with Hughes which helped his numbers.

Sure, you'd like to see a star forward be able to generate more without a superstar defenseman. However at this point in time he's probably dependent on Hughes to help get the offense we're looking for.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

If he's injured he should be sitting out until he's healthy, not like he's scoring points anyways he should be focusing on healing if he's injured (he's not)

okidoki

Hell, EP40 was suppose to be back because Miler isn't on the team anymore. 15 points in 10 games without Miller were being paraded around the Canucks discussion boards as proof. So is it injuries or is it Miller? If it's both then how did he get 15 points in those 10 games while injured?

I mean..... did you actually watch the games?

He didnt look any different.

Puck went in net. DeBrusk got hot. Hughes is good.

 

[Wildcarder]

If EP40 were making 6m right now, I wouldn't be happy. It's not just the play, it's the attitude. He's saying the right things, but it's not showing on his face or on the ice.

 

[Brookbank]

Every time he is on the ice he should tilt the play in our favor. Every time is on the ice he should demand the puck, create dynamic plays and have the opposing players on their heels. Every time we are down a goal he should be the one leading the team down the ice. He should be noticeable. He should OWN the middle of the ice.

He is a massive massive let down as a player. He is not a cultural fit whatsoever. They paid for Mackinnon and ended up with a Bonino.

I think people misunderstand what comes with that large of a salary. You're also paid to figure shit out quickly. Thats part of the expectation in the wage he is earning.. Youre not supposed to be a headache. Youre not supposed to go through long term poor play.

11.6 M is a Mack, Drai, Kuch and McD. Absolute beast mode 24/7/365 every time youre on the ice.

Lets be real..Everytime the Oilers are down a goal with 2 min left in the game you know whos gonna come on the ice. You know whos gonna ask for the puck. You know theyre gonna set up the same play and most of the time they absolutely deliver.

Leon Draisaitl and his consistency is absolutely absurd. Dude is just a total machine every time he is on the ice. You stand and scream at your TV knowing he is on the ice and know exactly where he is gonna set up and the opposing team has their best players and he just gets it done over and over and over.

THAT IS 11.6M dollars a year. He makes EP40 look like a ECHL player

What is your point ? What is the point of these rants ? Petterson got 112 points in the first 85 games of Tocchets tenure. And outscored Draisitle at one point last year. And had more team success than him.

Draisitle was one of the leaders of that Oilers team that went on that losing streak and lost the infamous game to the Sharks. He has is own problems.

We drafted Petterson. They drafted Draisitle. This efficient market hypothesis where player x makes this much means he must score this much doesn't exist.

Which ones are you referring to?

He was a 50 or 60 point player for the first 4 years of his career

 

[F A N]

He was a 50 or 60 point player for the first 4 years of his career

I'm not sure that that's what @racerjoe is referring to but I'll wait for his response.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

His compete is just brutal. Not just games, but training and practice. This has been a glaring issue for a long time. Always just going through the motions. When he is working on his 1 timer, it's a stand still windmill. Contrast with Hughes, who treats everything like a game situation. Even if it's against an empty net, he's adding little extra moves, envisioning real opposition and goalies infront of him. The little videos posted throughout camp/offseason ect. it's a huge difference. No surprise he went from muffin to howitzer in a matter of months.

In the top fraction of a % in the world, if you aren't getting better, then you're getting worse. This is why EP's tools are in full decline. I can't imagine him making a play like Hoglander did last night. Taking the foul and still ending up with the shot. EP just hits the ice and hopes for a PP.

Dude is BONE dry after every game. No need for a shower.

This is what leaving it all on the ice looks like.

 

[Zaddy91]

I am way past the point of trading him so i can stop hearing about him.

 

[Ernie]

I am way past the point of trading him so i can stop hearing about him.

I'm getting there, even though trading him is all but guaranteed to be a disaster. He'll go back to being an elite forward and we'll be watching Dylan Cozens score 40 points and bleed goals against.

 

[racerjoe]

His compete is just brutal. Not just games, but training and practice. This has been a glaring issue for a long time. Always just going through the motions. When he is working on his 1 timer, it's a stand still windmill. Contrast with Hughes, who treats everything like a game situation. Even if it's against an empty net, he's adding little extra moves, envisioning real opposition and goalies infront of him. The little videos posted throughout camp/offseason ect. it's a huge difference. No surprise he went from muffin to howitzer in a matter of months.

In the top fraction of a % in the world, if you aren't getting better, then you're getting worse. This is why EP's tools are in full decline. I can't imagine him making a play like Hoglander did last night. Taking the foul and still ending up with the shot. EP just hits the ice and hopes for a PP.

Dude is BONE dry after every game. No need for a shower.

This is what leaving it all on the ice looks like.

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I don’t get how you get most of this take.

Again he absolutely needs to be better, but his struggle is completely on the offensive side of the puck and are not compete related at all.

Probably confidence, and poor training due to injury that has just snowballed into what we see now that is a player playing to not make mistakes.

We have seen him working with coaches after practice putting in the extra work, we saw him even last night making diving plays.

His problems which he currently has many are not compete or effort based.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

The minute we trade him he'll go back to being the same PPG centre he's been his entire career until whatever ancient curse he awakened last year happened. 5/6 years pacing 30-40 goals 80-90 points until January last year.

I will not argue what he is right now or why he is what he is right now.

However, teams don't win cups without a legit 1C. The unfortunate reality is that we have a much higher likelihood of EP returning to 1C form than we do of netting a 1C back in an EP trade and we have nothing in the pipeline at C to replace him.

This right here is all it boils down to, when it comes to keeping Petey or not.

Until, or unless, Allvin gets another 1C, there is no other logical play aside from keeping and working with him and try to get the "old Petey" back.

Will it happens? Who knows, but the alternative (trading him) will not make us a better team.

 

[cc]

I think he needs to hire a personal fitness trainer or if he has one already, a better one. His lack of athleticism looks obvious to me. I'm concerned that he's too proud to admit that he needs help on that front

 

[Icebreakers]

Everything about this player is just weird right now.

Not even just the hockey. Look at the body language. Doesnt talk, doesnt celebrate, doesnt smile.

Lack of athleticism, lack of drive, lack of passion.

How do you not get motivated after seeing guys like Chytil, EP25, making those kind of plays and not say "this is my city" and show them youre the best player.

Hes a broken human being.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

This isn't a '1 year stretch' EP sucked before last January too, just had a pile of points like the rest of the team to hide it. Some of his worst games came November-Dec 2023.

This is a 5 year stretch, with the exception of most of his 5th season, and January of last year. His numbers over that time never passed the eye test. Statistical anomalies. It's no coincidence his 1 big year led to being barely out of the draft lottery. His play is not conductive to winning, he fades against top teams and at key moments. The PP being the biggest one, game management is 100% a thing, and he can't clutch up in the moments refs give the team a chance to win/tie games.

No matter how many charts and obscure stats people want to base bad arguments on, hockey is just not a sport that can be boiled down to numbers like that, too many variables.

His problems can't be measured in work hours, or miles per hour. He plays soft, practices soft, trains soft. He doesn't have that dawg in him.

 

[Quinning]

He strikes me as a player like Alexandre Daigle - obscenely talented but doesn't love hockey.

 

[Breakers]

This is really going to happen isn't it. God help us.

Well one has 3 months of pay checks

the other has about 80

It’s clear who they have chosen

 

[TraderJim]

okidoki


I mean..... did you actually watch the games?

He didnt look any different.

Puck went in net. DeBrusk got hot. Hughes is good.

Did YOU watch the game? Did you see him do a blind behind the back pass in the offensive zone that went straight to the opposing team? Did you see him flub the puck on the 5 on 3 power play? Did you see him skate fast ONE TIME then just stop skating the moment the pass went to him? Did you see him refusing to shoot on the power play? Did you see him show brutal body language on his trip back to the bench after f***ing up in the offensive zone for the 10th time that game?

Injures
Wrong deployment
Wrong wingers
Wrong defencemen
Mean teammates

These are all excuses that have been trotted out in the last week.

He's a 26 year old that is playing like a 36 year old who is being treated like an 18 year old by parts of this fanbase.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Holy shit the discourse around Pettersson is beyond silly and I'm worried that it's going to lead to a catastrophically stupid move.

The media keeps saying, "He needs to really show he has his game back over the next 30 games or they should move him".

Spoiler alert: He's very very clearly physically compromised. He's not going to get his speed or his shot back until next season. If that's your metric and anything else will make you quiver with impotent rage, then skip the rest of the year.

His stretch without Miller was him with a little more confidence and using his superior intellect to generate points. In no way was he 'back' physically.
He was scoring points like a 35 year old Gretzky as opposed to a 27 year old Gretzky (it should go without saying I'm not comparing him to Gretzky, but comparing him to how Gretz used his brain combined with his superior physical tools, and then used exclusively his brain when time and injury took his superior physical tools away from him).

If we trade him because "wE gOt rId oF jT mIlLeR aNd hE sTiLl dOeSn'T cArE!!11" because he still doesn't have his speed, shot, or confidence, then it will be a catastrophic mistake and will turn us into the Nashville Predators of yesteryear with a really strong D and nothing but depth forwards up front.

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I don't understand where the disconnect is for people. It seems like it's 11.6 million=goals and assists and never being hurt or losing confidence, and anything else means he's an evil person or a soft p***y or whatever else.

The "He's not hurt, he just doesn't care" narrative is literally drooling call-in show levels of analysis.

He's blocking tons of shots, hustling on D, positionally incredibly sound in our zone, takes hits to make a play, etc.

Nobody who 'doesn't care' gives up on the fun flashy side of the game to do the thankless, physically punishing stuff.

The stuff that's so thankless, by the way, that like 35% of our fanbase (and most of our media) doesn't even recognize it.

He's clearly physically compromised and having zero fun out there and entirely lost his confidence.

He has zero burst in his stride and his shot sucks right now.

Last game there were 2 cut backs he tried against mediocre Avs players where they pinched him off like he was a Robbie Shremp type trying a junior move at the NHL level.

We know that's not Petey, typically he draws so many penalties because he's so good at making people miss.

Right now he has zero burst in his skates so when he puts a guy off balance, he can't then use that split second to move in to space.

I'd like to add, though it should be too obvious to bare stating, that all injuries are not created equally.

I have seen people stating that X player played through injury, so why can't Petey.

An injury to a load bearing/burst part of the anatomy is a hell of a lot different than playing through a pain tolerance part of the body.

Petey will, hopefully, find the confidence to be creative offensively again this year and produce but you heard it here first HE'S NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE OLD PETEY THIS YEAR.

And if we trade him based on that, it could be a terrible, terrible franchise setback move.

 

[Orr4Norris]

He strikes me as a player like Alexandre Daigle - obscenely talented but doesn't love hockey.

This is my main fear. He doesn’t look like he enjoys hockey anymore. People post about his rookie season, showing his speed and confidence with the puck. But IMO the biggest difference is he looked happy back then. He looked excited to try and make plays back then. He looked excited to score big goals back then.

Haven’t seen that in a long while.

 

[mdobbs]

He’s physically too weak. Most of his offensive problems stem from him being knocked over by a light breeze

Mayyybe the team could overcome that if they change his deployment but that’s not toch’s system which rewards strong physical board play in the offensive zone

Needs to hit the gym in the offseason and actually commit to strength training

 

[Hyzer]

Does knee tendonitis affect your shot or hands? Serious question honestly. Even if his skating is screwed because of his knee, what about his shot?

 

[Brookbank]

He’s physically too weak. Most of his offensive problems stem from him being knocked over by a light breeze

Mayyybe the team could overcome that if they change his deployment but that’s not toch’s system which rewards strong physical board play in the offensive zone

Needs to hit the gym in the offseason and actually commit to strength training

He scored at a 30+ goal pace in his first season and won the Calder. And did it for 4 other seasons.

And got 112 points in the first 85 games of Tocchets tenure

We aren't reinventing a player that has already proven himself.

 

[Brookbank]

Does knee tendonitis affect your shot or hands? Serious question honestly. Even if his skating is screwed because of his knee, what about his shot?

Of course it would. The mechanics of a shot involve the whole frame.