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The false opportunity cost of 11.6

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Brookbank

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This is what we hear day in, day out. 11.6. Even the national media is getting in on it. 32 Thoughts or Real Kyper, they all said 11.6 today.

It is implied that we are incurring this huge opportunity cost with Pettersons contract. As if there's 10 other PPG centers available that could be in his spot. And taking his money. Well guess what.. There isn't.

What if we divided his money by 2. That means we can sign two 5.8 million dollar players. Who are these guys ? Who are the two 5.8 million dollar players that are a better bet than a struggling Petterson ? Petterson has scored at a 30+ goal pace for all but one season of his 6 year career. 2021 was the outlier. And he got through it.

We got a taste of what a meh trade is for a 100 point player. It seems like some Canucks fans want another meh trade for another 100 point player. Why ?
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Brookbank said:
This is really going to happen isn't it. God help us.

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This is where I think the is fair criticism of Rutherford, etc.

It's not like this disagreement in cultural fit just appeared. You should probably have decided whether or not this difference in fit was tenable before committing 8 years nearly 100m to them.

Allvin isn't specifically named, so is there a disagreement between GM and President? If so, does Allvin want to make a coaching change but can't?
 
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TraderJim said:
At least you didn't invent a new excuse for EP40. Just ignored his struggles completely. I guess that's a step up.
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Not meaning to pick on you, just using your comment here as I have seen it a few times.

I hate this argument… Oh it’s an excuse. No one here thinks Petey is playing well, the conversation is why is he not playing well. Will he be able to bounce back.

Petey is playing bad, but if we can understand why, maybe we can predict if we should keep him, or if we should cut bait, or if we should get him a physiologist, or a better doctor trainer coach or whatever.

It’s like why didn’t player X score… because the goalie made a save…. Well that’s just an excuse. His stick broke… that’s just an excuse… it’s
Juulsen and he has no NHL offensive talent… ok that might just be a fact.
 
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racerjoe said:
Not meaning to pick on you, just using your comment here as I have seen it a few times.

I hate this argument… Oh it’s an excuse. No one here thinks Petey is playing well, the conversation is why is he not playing well. Will he be able to bounce back.

Petey is playing bad, but if we can understand why, maybe we can predict if we should keep him, or if we should cut bait, or if we should get him a physiologist, or a better doctor trainer coach or whatever.

It’s like why didn’t player X score… because the goalie made a save…. Well that’s just an excuse. His stick broke… that’s just an excuse… it’s
Juulsen and he has no NHL offensive talent… ok that might just be a fact.
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Every GDT there are people who go "look at that pass he made, he's back" then after a week of little to no offensive production, they parade these ridiculously reductive charts showing how efficient he is as a way to deflect. EP40 was at the bottom of those charts last game, you wouldn't know that here though because they weren't posted because that wouldn't fit in the narrative being constructed.

If his skating has been slowed down for an entire year and through an off-season then maybe, just maybe, that's who he is now and we need to cut bait before we are tied and feathered to that potentially albatross contract.


Hell, EP40 was suppose to be back because Miler isn't on the team anymore. 15 points in 10 games without Miller were being paraded around the Canucks discussion boards as proof. So is it injuries or is it Miller? If it's both then how did he get 15 points in those 10 games while injured?
 
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TraderJim said:
Every GDT there are people who go "look at that pass he made, he's back" then after a week of little to no offensive production, they parade these ridiculously reductive charts showing how efficient he is as a way to deflect. EP40 was at the bottom of those charts last game, you wouldn't know that here though because they weren't posted because that wouldn't fit in the narrative being constructed.

If his skating has been slowed down for an entire year and through an off-season then maybe, just maybe, that's who he is now and we need to cut bait before we are tied and feathered to that potentially albatross contract.


Hell, EP40 was suppose to be back because Miler isn't on the team anymore. 15 points in 10 games without Miller were being paraded around the Canucks discussion boards as proof. So is it injuries or is it Miller? If it's both then how did he get 15 points in those 10 games while injured?
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Maybe read my post on the management page for more details… but half of what you describe is again things we are trying to discover to see what’s the best steps moving forward… and through all of this he has played great defensive hockey. It’s clearly not good enough, but should also be noted.
 
rypper said:
This is where I think the is fair criticism of Rutherford, etc.

It's not like this disagreement in cultural fit just appeared. You should probably have decided whether or not this difference in fit was tenable before committing 8 years nearly 100m to them.
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There's also something to be said about a star player with many years ahead of him, vs. a mid-70s president and option-year coach who may not even be around the organization much longer. We don't want this to be a "Keenan comes in and changes everything then gets fired" situation.
 
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The minute we trade him he'll go back to being the same PPG centre he's been his entire career until whatever ancient curse he awakened last year happened. 5/6 years pacing 30-40 goals 80-90 points until January last year.

I will not argue what he is right now or why he is what he is right now.

However, teams don't win cups without a legit 1C. The unfortunate reality is that we have a much higher likelihood of EP returning to 1C form than we do of netting a 1C back in an EP trade and we have nothing in the pipeline at C to replace him.
 
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TraderJim said:
At least you didn't invent a new excuse for EP40. Just ignored his struggles completely. I guess that's a step up.
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Why is it that so many posters are actively working to NOT understand what is causing his troubles?

Why is it not enough to just shout at your TV. Why do you need to keep a public diary of your frustration on here?

If you do not want to discuss what is going on with him, fair. Dont try to stop others from having that discussion.

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The minute we trade him he'll go back to being the same PPG centre he's been his entire career until whatever ancient curse he awakened last year happened. 5/6 years pacing 30-40 goals 80-90 points until January last year.

I will not argue what he is right now or why he is what he is right now.

However, teams don't win cups without a legit 1C. The unfortunate reality is that we have a much higher likelihood of EP returning to 1C form than we do of netting a 1C back in an EP trade and we have nothing in the pipeline at C to replace him.
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Maybe if we do that in the summer.

He needs a successful offseason training to regain his lost skating.

There is no snapping back in to his old self. He cant build his physique during the regular season it is more likely that someone with his body type actually loses weight during the season.

And yes yes I know... "ANOTHER EXCUSE!" Spare me the low brow posts please.
 
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Staple him/his line to Quinn when he's back and run everything through them and hope it gets him going. Chytil is fast enough and good enough at carrying the puck out/in himself that he can get by with MP/DP/Hronek.

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Every time he is on the ice he should tilt the play in our favor. Every time is on the ice he should demand the puck, create dynamic plays and have the opposing players on their heels. Every time we are down a goal he should be the one leading the team down the ice. He should be noticeable. He should OWN the middle of the ice.

He is a massive massive let down as a player. He is not a cultural fit whatsoever. They paid for Mackinnon and ended up with a Bonino.

I think people misunderstand what comes with that large of a salary. You're also paid to figure shit out quickly. Thats part of the expectation in the wage he is earning.. Youre not supposed to be a headache. Youre not supposed to go through long term poor play.

11.6 M is a Mack, Drai, Kuch and McD. Absolute beast mode 24/7/365 every time youre on the ice.

Lets be real..Everytime the Oilers are down a goal with 2 min left in the game you know whos gonna come on the ice. You know whos gonna ask for the puck. You know theyre gonna set up the same play and most of the time they absolutely deliver.

Leon Draisaitl and his consistency is absolutely absurd. Dude is just a total machine every time he is on the ice. You stand and scream at your TV knowing he is on the ice and know exactly where he is gonna set up and the opposing team has their best players and he just gets it done over and over and over.

THAT IS 11.6M dollars a year. He makes EP40 look like a ECHL player
 
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Bobby9 said:
Every time he is on the ice he should tilt the play in our favor. Every time is on the ice he should demand the puck, create dynamic plays and have the opposing players on their heels. Every time we are down a goal he should be the one leading the team down the ice. He should be noticeable. He should OWN the middle of the ice.

He is a massive massive let down as a player. He is not a cultural fit whatsoever. They paid for Mackinnon and ended up with a Bonino.

I think people misunderstand what comes with that large of a salary. You're also paid to figure shit out quickly. Thats part of the expectation in the wage he is earning.. Youre not supposed to be a headache. Youre not supposed to go through long term poor play.

11.6 M is a Mack, Drai, Kuch and McD. Absolute beast mode 24/7/365 every time youre on the ice.

Lets be real..Everytime the Oilers are down a goal with 2 min left in the game you know whos gonna come on the ice. You know whos gonna ask for the puck. You know theyre gonna set up the same play and most of the time they absolutely deliver.

Leon Draisaitl and his consistency is absolutely absurd. Dude is just a total machine every time he is on the ice. You stand and scream at your TV knowing he is on the ice and know exactly where he is gonna set up and the opposing team has their best players and he just gets it done over and over and over.

THAT IS 11.6M dollars a year. He makes EP40 look like a ECHL player
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You are being too easy on EP.

He should be better than McDavid and Draisaitl combined because he makes 11.6M AND is annoying to look at.

Raise the expectations a bit higher will you...
 
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On pace for 18G 35A this year. If there were any questions his knee is still bothering him he wouldn't be playing in the 4 nations tournament. If he plays he shouldn't have any excuses.
 
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