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MoeBartoli

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Lots of takes on Elvis I’m reading….heres mine. I want to see Elvis continue to play exceptional hockey, the type we are watching these last several days. Doing so will change the league’s perception of him which would be great because if that happens, Waddell can dangle him on the trade market and likely get some takers.

Why trade him if he gets back on a roll? Because I don’t trust him enough to be the team’s #1 goalie longer term because of his mercurial personality and play. So use a good run to maximize his value and move forward without the question mark always being there….Purely a business decision.
 

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Not saying he wasn't at fault but the previous admnistration was just like "No. Bad Dog!" and smacked him of the nose with a news paper when things went wrong. It's still his actions but its also how it is handled.

The current management is taking a better approach to training the proper behavior. and rewarding good behavior. People seem to react better and differently to these approaches.

I've said this and felt this all along but I always had the impression Jarmo, Larsen and PV led with a fear mentality. "You do what I say or you won't play." In my mind that makes people afraid to make mistakes because of the fear of punishment even though they tried to be "player's coaches" and it didn't apply equally to the locker room.

Evason seems to come more from a building up mentality. I think he's been quoted understanding people will make mistakes and that's ok if we learn from them. Previous management would have chastised him and probably not let him play last night because he got angry after allowing a goal. So far Elvis seems to be learning and propering from the fresh start under this mentality. We'll see if it lasts.

Blame goes both ways on how a situation is handled and addressed and I like how there seems to be accountability coming from the coaching staff but they are actually teaching and empowering the players to succeed.

You clearly aren't a fan of him and have bad taste in your mouth from the past but I believe the new management is a fresh start and you see many players, not just Elvis, starting to prosper early on because of the mentality DW and the coaching staff approached the season with. The past is the past for me on this and I'm looking at now and the future just like they seem to be.
You make good points.

The way I look at it with the prevoius group was that they made the choice to make Elvis the number 1, and gave him a nice contract to go with it. I had no problem with that as I always wanted them to choose a guy because, in my opinion, I think it is better to have a clear 1 and 2 goalie. It didn't matter to me who they chose because I didn't feel there was a huge difference between him and Korpisalo. Just pick one and move on.

I get the Kivlenieks death played on him, but his first season after that was decent. Its just the last 2 weren't, and I think his act wore thin because more was expected for the money they gave him. They changed goalie coaches, and one of the first thing he did when there was early improvement, was throw the new coach under the bus.

All that, plus the attitude the front office was having came to a head when they started playing Tarasov over him. I can't believe they were happy on the return they were getting from his contract.

Maybe this regime can straighten him out, but even if they do, it may be too late contract wise. They could help him just in time for him to bolt when he becomes a free agent. I don't think Columbus will give him more money per year after how this contract worked out.

I may not be a fan of his, but I would rather see it work out for him here and see the team succeed. I don't know how much time you give him though. I kind of think if something materializes in a trade, the Jackets take it.
 
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I've said this and felt this all along but I always had the impression Jarmo, Larsen and PV led with a fear mentality. "You do what I say or you won't play." In my mind that makes people afraid to make mistakes because of the fear of punishment even though they tried to be "player's coaches" and it didn't apply equally to the locker room.

Larsen?

Those two years players were getting away with murder out there. All manner of lazy and selfish play.

We did react strongly in the other direction with the Babcock hire and PV playing bad cop. But the two prior years were very different.
 

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Larsen?

Those two years players were getting away with murder out there. All manner of lazy and selfish play.

We did react strongly in the other direction with the Babcock hire and PV playing bad cop. But the two prior years were very different.
Larsen talked accountability. He just wasn’t very good at applying it and applying it equally to the locker room if I remember correctly. But you are correct that the players ultimately walked all over him.
 

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Funny a stick slam is becoming a talking point. Carey Price is looked at as a calm and composed goalie and how many sticks did he snap in his career? Or is it competitive spirit when someone else does it?
The difference between Price and Elvis is that Price seldom got rattled. With Elvis and his reputation, I understand why DE had a conversation with him. As GMDW said prior to the season, the team was going to work with Elvis in every conceivable way and I'll put this conversation as part of that process.

In general, I like players throwing fits and breaking sticks. When Elvis punched Tom Wilson while he was in the net, I both enjoyed it and couldn't have cared less that it led to a PP and a loss. In general, however, Elvis needs to be more relaxed on the ice and displaying emotion after his shutout was lost could be taken in a negative manner by his teammates as being directed toward them.
 

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The difference between Price and Elvis is that Price seldom got rattled. With Elvis and his reputation, I understand why DE had a conversation with him. As GMDW said prior to the season, the team was going to work with Elvis in every conceivable way and I'll put this conversation as part of that process.

In general, I like players throwing fits and breaking sticks. When Elvis punched Tom Wilson while he was in the net, I both enjoyed it and couldn't have cared less that it led to a PP and a loss. In general, however, Elvis needs to be more relaxed on the ice and displaying emotion after his shutout was lost could be taken in a negative manner by his teammates as being directed toward them.
Could be viewed in a negative manner but showing displeasure at losing a shutout isn't much different than a skater slamming a stick or having a moment where he yells after missing a wide open net. It's obviously not impossible for teammates to grow tired of some antics and it's not impossible they understand how it would be annoying to lose a shutout after 58 minutes or whatever it was of solid hockey. As they say, a shutout is a team stat
 

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Lots of takes on Elvis I’m reading….heres mine. I want to see Elvis continue to play exceptional hockey, the type we are watching these last several days. Doing so will change the league’s perception of him which would be great because if that happens, Waddell can dangle him on the trade market and likely get some takers.

Why trade him if he gets back on a roll? Because I don’t trust him enough to be the team’s #1 goalie longer term because of his mercurial personality and play. So use a good run to maximize his value and move forward without the question mark always being there….Purely a business decision.
I’m biased as an Elvis fan, but I really don’t see the need to do this if he starts playing well, for three reasons:

1) The trade itself won’t likely net much, even if he gets on a roll. It’s just the normal overall trade market for goalies, particularly one that’s an average starter and 30 years old. So basically, you’d be trading him just to get rid of him (which wouldn’t really make sense if the team starts winning (also see #3) bc that would seem to indicate his “cancerous” days (whether real or not) are behind him) and/or to help with the cap (see #2).

2) This team is nowhere even close to the cap right now. And it should only continue to rise. Elvis’s deal “only” runs through 2026-27. And guys like Monahan, Marchenko, Johnson, Werenski are locked in at their price through that time. Jiricek, Fantilli, Chinakhov and Sillinger are locked in through 2025-26. So they’d need a new deal then, but Gudbranson’s off the books in 2026-27 and absolute worst case you could buyout only one year of Elvis before the 2026-27 season if things went wrong. But, again, we’re presuming they don’t.

3) Who besides Elvis in the short-term (this year) and medium-term (through 2026-27) currently in the organization would you trust more to be your #1? Tarasov? Jet? I wouldn’t, personally.
 
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I'm very happy to see Elvis string together two quality wins (even if one was against the offensively challenged Islanders). I would love to see it continue. But I'm not going to hold my breath. There has been way too much stink from the last few years to cover it up with a shot of air freshener. If he can stay hot for an extended stretch, maybe I'll buy in. Until then, I'm chalking this up to small sample size. Having said that, I am thankful for the air freshener.
 

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Elvis has the talent to be a #1, I'm not in doubt of that. This might be the real corner.

He might still want and need a change of scenery for other reasons having to do with the loss of Matiss and how Elvis handled that over the last few years. And negativity with fans and teammates. We might be past all of that, we in the public don't have the information on that.
 
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I’m biased as an Elvis fan, but I really don’t see the need to do this if he starts playing well, for three reasons:

1) The trade itself won’t likely net much, even if he gets on a roll. It’s just the normal overall trade market for goalies, particularly one that’s an average starter and 30 years old. So basically, you’d be trading him just to get rid of him (which wouldn’t really make sense if the team starts winning (also see #3) bc that would seem to indicate his “cancerous” days (whether real or not) are behind him) and/or to help with the cap (see #2).

2) This team is nowhere even close to the cap right now. And it should only continue to rise. Elvis’s deal “only” runs through 2026-27. And guys like Monahan, Marchenko, Johnson, Werenski are locked in at their price through that time. Jiricek, Fantilli, Chinakhov and Sillinger are locked in through 2025-26. So they’d need a new deal then, but Gudbranson’s off the books in 2026-27 and absolute worst case you could buyout only one year of Elvis before the 2026-27 season if things went wrong. But, again, we’re presuming they don’t.

3) Who besides Elvis in the short-term (this year) and medium-term (through 2026-27) currently in the organization would you trust more to be your #1? Tarasov? Jet? I wouldn’t, personally.
I agree with your first point - trading him may not generate much. But I’m fine with that which leads to your second point - the CBJ isn’t close to the cap. They’re not, and it isn’t an issue until it is (a la Bjorkstrand scenario). I’d rather use the Elvis money to invest elsewhere and gain the flexibility to do so.

Your third point - a question - is a fair one but if goalies are easy to trade for because they cost little or a team has a pair and wants to move on from one, I’ll take that chance and pursue that route.
 

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I've been an Elvis apologist, but even i was tiring of some of his antics, like the mysterious injuries.
Anyways, I'm a Blue Jackets fan first, so if he's playing well and they're winning- kudos!
At this point he's untradeable because of his contract and his stats.
If his game improves, his value goes up. At that point, they should just keep him unless another team gets desperate.
Let's just be happy this team is playing well and we're enjoying good hockey again.
 

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Have we considered that maybe we traded the guy(s) that didn't like Elvis?
It's certainly a feasible option. Not everybody on the team needs to be best friends but if players have a problem with other players, that is not a one sided problem.

I feel like I may have said this before at one point but we all have co-workers we find annoying but we find a way to coexist with them in the workplace. If a player had a problem with Elvis, that may not exclusively be an Elvis problem.
 

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The teams salary cap situation needs to be taken into account as well. $5 million a year for the next 2 years is manageable if he's playing well for a team that has over $20 million in room next year.
 
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It's certainly a feasible option. Not everybody on the team needs to be best friends but if players have a problem with other players, that is not a one sided problem.

I feel like I may have said this before at one point but we all have co-workers we find annoying but we find a way to coexist with them in the workplace. If a player had a problem with Elvis, that may not exclusively be an Elvis problem.

I didn't want to comment any further on Elvis but I have to at least state my opinion that, no, I don't think it's remotely feasible that we simply traded away any dispute with Elvis. This was a broader thing in the room. And that they've decided to give another shot to working with Elvis because they were unable to find a trade partner. The players are trying to bring Elvis back in, to use Porty's phrase, and we have little reason to doubt the accuracy of that reporting.
 
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I didn't want to comment any further on Elvis but I have to at least state my opinion that, no, I don't think it's remotely feasible that we simply traded away any dispute with Elvis. This was a broader thing in the room. And that they've decided to give another shot to working with Elvis because they were unable to find a trade partner. The players are trying to bring Elvis back in, to use Porty's phrase, and we have little reason to doubt the accuracy of that reporting.
Not saying I think it actually happened or that anyone was actually traded because of it but frankly anyone on last years team was fair game to be traded for a multitude of reasons.

I was hoping to merely state if the thought process was that they were trying to trade Elvis because someone thought he was a jerk that its a plausible scenario the same consideration could be made for another player as well.

I still feel like the real grudge came from the front office (cough, Jarmo, cough) and not necessarily from within the players. I believe Jarmo was the guy who made the call to demote him to 3rd string last year even though he was the best playing goalie on the roster out of the 3 we had at the time and cause the whole media drama mid-season.

I think players can work through this stuff if they communicate like adults but upper management on a power trip can just make it worse.
 

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What if the source of the Elvis conflict is {dramatic music} still on the team but injured and not in the locker room? {more dramatic music}

Porty promotes Porty. I believe pictures of Elvis hanging out with other guys over the years more than I believe Porty. Was there a conflict with management? dYes, but I can count several guys who had problems with a management.

Anyway, the discussion is pointless unless we have actual guys from the locker room participate. New management and a new coach seem to be exactly what this team needed. Elvis has played the best 6 quarters in a row that he has played in years. I am just going to be happy.
 

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I believe pictures of Elvis hanging out with other guys over the years more than I believe Porty.
Oh but he was on the fringes of that Halloween IG pic, not in the middle, so I think that's telling. I think they're just suffering his presence, like the rest of us.

I mean, it's sarcasm, just in case.
 
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What if the source of the Elvis conflict is {dramatic music} still on the team but injured and not in the locker room? {more dramatic music}

Porty promotes Porty. I believe pictures of Elvis hanging out with other guys over the years more than I believe Porty. Was there a conflict with management? dYes, but I can count several guys who had problems with a management.

Anyway, the discussion is pointless unless we have actual guys from the locker room participate. New management and a new coach seem to be exactly what this team needed. Elvis has played the best 6 quarters in a row that he has played in years. I am just going to be happy.
I've stayed somewhat quiet on the Elvis debate, but your post has me coming out of the woodwork. Not in disagreement just that it triggered me about Elvis and the coaching difference. EDIT - this turned into a rant about the prior FO and HC than I intended! TL;DR, but I left it all here.

If Elvis was a problem for the room generally, as suggested by Porty and MM, then the two people not currently in the room and most likely to be irritated by Elvis last season would have been Jenner as C and/or HCPV. And maybe Z, who is still in the room. Hell, they were also irritated by other things (Laine, losing, JK, losing, PV, losing).

My take is that "IF" there was wide-spread discord within the room last season specifically regarding Elvis, then Jenner and Z took up the sword, but with encouragement from GMJK and HCPV to beat that drum. My "guess" is that Elvis probably spouted off about the lack of D structure, lack of D support, something about coaching and the D generally - and that didn't sit well with anyone. And I agree that should not have sat well. In last year's environment, hell yes Elvis was a handful. He can be a handful in the best of times. However, publicly "demoting" Elvis to 3rd goalie last January based on off-ice issues, not on-ice performance, was a bonehead move - it was seen as embarrassing and undeserved, and both were fairly accurate reads. When/if there is discord from a player about coaching/systems, you don't demote and send "messages" through the media, no matter how immature the player may be. You sit all the parties down and you work it out. If it doesn't work out and the damage is that extreme, you send to the AHL, or you trade him (I know, not tradeable) or buy him out (not last year based on numbers). That's not what PV and/or JK did - they (or one of them) instead wanted to "send the message" that they were in charge and publicly demoted him behind 2 goalies at a time when his play was fine. All goalies are head cases to some extent. What you do to get a 21-year old forward's attention for repeatedly not playing D (a healthy scratch with video reinforcement) is not what you necessarily do with a goalie (a 3-week demotion, not one game) when that G happens to be stopping pucks relatively well under the team's overall circumstances. Elvis had been playing OK, borderline OK+ leading up to the demotion announced by GMJK and HCPV. They gave similar yo-yo treatment to Jiricek - never a clear consistent professional message, but instead messaging through TOI and through the media. Immature leadership imo.

No doubt that Elvis needs more than a normal share of direct leadership and coddling than most players - but that is true for several stellar players in the NHL. Every team has some of that, the better teams/coaches know how to adapt and capitalize on that. Assuming that Elvis questioned coaching/systems, that was not going to be tolerated last year for a second, because PV could not afford any questioning because he himself knew he was flailing; he had no buy-in from the room generally and was losing the room. JK suspected he himself was a short-timer. Mature (confident) coaches/GMs know that while the overal treatment of the TEAM needs to be consistent, the amount of time/effort needed with, and the tailoring of messages to, individual players will vary from player to player, and even from month-to-month. Even Torts got that part right- especially with goalies.

My opinion is that GMJK was never able to see that players were individuals with regard to any player - to him players had x talent/potential from a scouting perspective and otherwise you plugged those talents/potential into a team of interchangeable parts. From his perspective, every player needed to have Boone Jenner's attitude/approach. That is simply not the real world. My opinion is that HCPV was a rookie coach in way over his head and that became obvious very early in the season - PV's actions all year were more about defending his own hiring from the first minute on the job than they were true leadership. He had started to lose the entire team so felt he had to look strong in dealing with Elvis. That last statement is much more on GMJK in hiring PV than it is on PV himself. PV simply wasn't ready and the Babcock fiasco thrust it on him. Maybe PV will be a great HC someday; I know there will be some disagreement, but PV was horrendous last year, regardless of the circumstances. And if the choice of PV somehow is seen as excused by the timing of the Babcock fiasco, I disagree with that excuse - that was on GMJK making the wrong choice of Babcock in the first place. It was past time for GMJK to go elsewhere, and some of the Elvis issues got caught up in the FO/Coaching fiasco.

Counter that with a guaranteed "fresh start" from GMDW and from HCDE as to EVERY player - they didn't even want to discuss or view last year's performances. I would venture to say that the room was encouraged to do, and from what we see, has done, the same thing. I like Porty's writing, but Porty seems stuck on last year's targeting of Elvis and wanting to circle back to that whenever an Elvis sighting occurs. Not saying Elvis doesn't still have issues, what goalie doesn't. Elvis certainly could use more endearing terms than cursing, calling attention to himself, etc... But the only action out-of-line since the fresh start appears to be the overly-dramatic and admittedly selfish reaction to losing the shutout in the last seconds. Usually it would be the player who took the penalty and the PK'ers who would be pissed and apologizing to Elvis, but Elvis didn't give them a chance. I agree Elvis was out of line, and yet I also understand Elvis' reaction - I'd want the shutout too, especially after last season's escapades/blaming and also coming back from whatever injury ailed him. HCDE nipped Elvis' lack of focus solely on TEAM result IMMEDIATELY (and to a certain extent publicly to reinforce the message to the ENTIRE ROOM, in response to Elvis' very public display on the ice). The feedback was based on Elvis' specific conduct that evening. The feedback was clear, it was not degrading, it was given IMMEDIATELY that night and reinforced the very next morning. Not a benching - a coaching. That is what good feedback to a player looks like. And Elvis got the net the very next game and capitalized on it. I'd say that's good player response to good feedback. He still can learn more. How that plays out from here, who knows.

Sorry for the rant. Not an Elvis apologist, he has been less than stellar for stretches. Not sure he is an answer to the G position but for this season, yes he is part of the answer. No doubt he has brought a lot of criticism upon himself at times. But he's gotten ZERO help from the last 3 seasons of coaching (Larsen's laissez-faire and PV's reactionary coaching) - and skaters got that same ZERO help from coaching.
HCDE may not be a HofF coach. He may or may not be the coach to get you a Stanley Cup. But he is clearly head and shoulders above the last 3 years coaching at implementing a system in the first 9 games of a season and in dealing with professional hockey players and their egos. Hopefully, he's just as adept at holding players accountable in a professional way, and keeping the room for an entire 82-game season. Baby steps, but really good baby steps.

Rant over.
 

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I didn't want to comment any further on Elvis but I have to at least state my opinion that, no, I don't think it's remotely feasible that we simply traded away any dispute with Elvis. This was a broader thing in the room. And that they've decided to give another shot to working with Elvis because they were unable to find a trade partner. The players are trying to bring Elvis back in, to use Porty's phrase, and we have little reason to doubt the accuracy of that reporting.
Agree that CBJ did not simply trade away the source of issues with Elvis.
However, I disagree with the Porty's suggestion that the players are "trying to bring Elvis back in" and with your suggestion that "we have little reason to doubt the accuracy of that reporting."

GMDW was actively looking for a trade partner because it appeared Elvis needed (had requested) a change of scenery.
But GMDW also was more than willing to grant a "fresh start" not only to Elvis but to the entire roster.
A change of scenery could very well be a change in GM/HC.
If Elvis' issues were perceived as a cancer in the room, regardless of the "fresh start" concept, GMDW would have eaten the contract and not risked him in the room. He did not do that. Elvis can be a huge PIA, but not a cancer.
Same fresh start from HCDE.

If if every player got a fresh start from GM and HC, then the players themselves also give each other a fresh start. They damn well better anyway.
I am huge fan of Boone Jenner, but if he can't see that many of the problems from the past 3 seasons (Elvis and otherwise) arose from poor FO/Coaching and from continuous losing, that's on Boone Jenner. Not suggesting Elvis had/has no faults, he had more than his fair share. Still does. But at this point, being a C is not being a company man supporting JK or PV or any GM or floundering HC. It is leading your teammates. Elvis was difficult to lead, but in large part due to HCPV and GMJK, as much as due to Elvis himself.

I buy the accuracy of Porty's reporting regarding last season. I do not buy the insinuation that the roster is "trying to bring Elvis back" this season. He's on the team and playing/practicing hard. They don't "bring Elvis back" he's already there. He has ego and communication issues - as have many top-notch goalies, especially early in their careers. Elvis has not played top-notch hockey consistently, so the combination of less-than-stellar play combined with an immature ego led to issues when the room was falling apart last year anyway.

The players/leadership group lead Elvis, just like they need to lead every other player on this roster. He's not on the outside looking in.
 

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Why are people acting like there haven’t been issues in the locker room since the VERY beginning?? All the way back to Foligno/Dubinsky/Torts. Not to mention the way he handled the battle for playing time with Korpisalo.

Larsen, Vincent and Jarmo have/had no impact on the issues the players have with each other.

Everyone just to continues to pick and choose what they want to ignore or consider important. Not really sure why people think Portzline is or would go out of his way to essentially make this stuff up, or that he would say this stuff without it actually being true. In order for some people to consider this possible, they would need quotes from Werenski and Marchenko that players didn’t even make about Jeff Carter.

Whatever, the team will be better off whenever he’s off the team. Winning a playoff series would be impossible with Elvis, IMO.
 
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