That's fair and it seems CMac's entire game plan is to fix holes during the TDL, but Avs star players, I thought, lost them this series than the mercenaries.
The current Avs core another cup or no?
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Tommy Shelby
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I'm gonna say no, unless there's a new coach.
Bednar can't win shit without Kadri having a career year, being absolutely stacked on D, and even more stacked up front. Hus sysyem relies way too heavily on things that aren't realistic due to the salary cap, or due to conditioning and hockey IQ
Oilers making it to the finals twice in a row with Nurse and Bouchard leading the D as well as Stuart f***ing Skinner in net is a testament to their coach and system.
Bednar can't win shit without Kadri having a career year, being absolutely stacked on D, and even more stacked up front. Hus sysyem relies way too heavily on things that aren't realistic due to the salary cap, or due to conditioning and hockey IQ
Oilers making it to the finals twice in a row with Nurse and Bouchard leading the D as well as Stuart f***ing Skinner in net is a testament to their coach and system.
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I think we'll have a few more years where our chance to win is going to be as good as anyone else's. That said, statistically the odds would be that we don't win again.
Look at this year... I still think we were the best team in the west and we go and have a complete fluke loss to Dallas. Anything can happen.
If we win again with this core it's probably a year when we aren't expecting it.
Look at this year... I still think we were the best team in the west and we go and have a complete fluke loss to Dallas. Anything can happen.
If we win again with this core it's probably a year when we aren't expecting it.
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I voted myself saying no, but it’s still possible they can actually win another cup with this core if they make some smart moves. Just not sure anymore if CMac is capable of making smart moves. Probably not
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The answer is obviously... Yes, it's possible. There's always a chance, no matter how slim.
But I answered NO, mostly because they chose to stick with Bednar and only refused to resign one of the AC's whose contract was up. I feel most of the blame falls on Bednar and his lineups and refusal to make adjustments. His absolute, stubborn refusal to play Necas and Nelson together should have been a fireable offense.
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Not to mention the special teams
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I'm gonna say no. They're gonna need to hit on a lot trades and cheap acquisitions since we don't have or assets to fill the major holes on the roster.
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Nah, it's a testament to the weakness of the Western Conference and the insane playoffs that McDrai has had two seasons in a row
Florida mastered this. They made brilliant trades, trashbin pick ups and signings.
Nah. They're done IMO. We're in for several more seasons of guaranteed playoffs off the backs of overplayed MacK and Frail only to see the team fold in the 1st-2nd round. After that...... Hello darkness my old friend......
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Voted No.
Colorado was 3rd in points percentage in the Wedgewood era (Dec 1+), 36-17-4. They're a good team. With MacKinnon, Makar, Toews, and functional goaltending, I expect outstanding Regular Season success for a few more years.
A team needs to be special to win the Stanley Cup. I don't see the Avalanche trending in that direction. Their roster has notable imperfections. Cap Space is tight. McKeen's Hockey rates their prospect pool at 31st. They have no picks in the top three rounds in the next two drafts. MacFarland has a poor trade record.
Colorado was 3rd in points percentage in the Wedgewood era (Dec 1+), 36-17-4. They're a good team. With MacKinnon, Makar, Toews, and functional goaltending, I expect outstanding Regular Season success for a few more years.
A team needs to be special to win the Stanley Cup. I don't see the Avalanche trending in that direction. Their roster has notable imperfections. Cap Space is tight. McKeen's Hockey rates their prospect pool at 31st. They have no picks in the top three rounds in the next two drafts. MacFarland has a poor trade record.
I feel like the window has closed. We'll see what happens with Landeskog now back in the fold but I just don't see it. I'll watch because it'll still be good, fun, entertaining hockey but I just don't see them beating the elite teams in the league, certainly not if they decide once again they can just start the year without a legit 2C.
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This core doesn't seem capable of doing it without being an absolute powerhouse.
Oilers are not really a better team top to bottom than any of these Avs teams but 97 and 29 have been able to carry the team to back to back finals now.
There seems to be a pattern with our top guys not showing up at times when they're needed most.
Oilers are not really a better team top to bottom than any of these Avs teams but 97 and 29 have been able to carry the team to back to back finals now.
There seems to be a pattern with our top guys not showing up at times when they're needed most.
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No because even the best teams have maybe a 15% chance of winning the cup each year. And the Avs have probably somewhere between 1 and 3 more years of being a contender. So statistically they will likely not win another cup.
But Yes, I think they will still be a very good team next year, will be somewhere between 3rd and 7th best team in the league and will have a chance to win the Cup.
But Yes, I think they will still be a very good team next year, will be somewhere between 3rd and 7th best team in the league and will have a chance to win the Cup.
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My feeling as well. This felt like the last real opportunity for this core to get a true "all in."
The team next year will range from good to very good depending on how the fill the 2C gap, if Landy can keep up his playoff form for 82 games+, and if the top guys stay generally healthy. But, they don't have the assets to fill the holes that are clear now, and the holes that will inevitably arise during the season. Will this team miss the playoffs? Barring major injuries, very unlikely. Will they be considered a top contender? Doubtful. It'll be fun hockey to watch and maybe they go into the playoffs fully healthy again and ride a hot goalie or MacK/Makar deep, but anything beyond the second round feels like an impossibility with the current roster construction and this team's history.
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hard to say no when this team just needed an average success level for their powerplay to beat the stars,
i have no doubt whatsoever they would have destroyed the jets and beaten the oilers if they just got past dallas.
they just need:
a stable 2c (nelson or otherwise just need to produce at a roughly 70 point pace---kadri's last year was special)
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a new LD and maybe even RD for the second pair. Manson was actually a beast in the playoffs so replacing Girard is a must either way he just doesn't get it done.
+ burying their chances. to win the cup you got to have a lot of luck. just ask lehkonen about missing that point blank open net
i have no doubt whatsoever they would have destroyed the jets and beaten the oilers if they just got past dallas.
they just need:
a stable 2c (nelson or otherwise just need to produce at a roughly 70 point pace---kadri's last year was special)
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a new LD and maybe even RD for the second pair. Manson was actually a beast in the playoffs so replacing Girard is a must either way he just doesn't get it done.
+ burying their chances. to win the cup you got to have a lot of luck. just ask lehkonen about missing that point blank open net
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A 2C and 4D are pretty big pieces to add when we have basically no assets to move for said positions.
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I think if the Avs wanted to move on from Nuke and Lekky (in addition to Girard) they could parlay that into some good options and get creative.
cap space from moving on from Colton and wood would also be beneficial. Hitting big on reclamation projects has always been an Avs strength as well.
You wouldn't need a top end expensive 4D honestly you just need one that fits the style of play. I look at what Walman's doing for EDM and I wish we took a flyer on him
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Voted no, obviously would love to be wrong. In the cap era, you pretty much need players outperforming their contracts, and I don't see those contracts on this team. An alternative way is to use LTIR shenanigans and retention at the TDL to get a stacked team, and we tried our best this season, but to no avail
As things stand I don't see the Avs current core winning another Cup. We lack assets to plug holes in the roster unless CMac pulls Jedi mind tricks in trades.
I hope we get a season with less turmoil: Landy back to guide the troops, goalies that don't give us nightmares, a new PP scheme, and Nuke in the right headspace playing the full season.
I hope we get a season with less turmoil: Landy back to guide the troops, goalies that don't give us nightmares, a new PP scheme, and Nuke in the right headspace playing the full season.
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Part of me still thinks... Ok... A full year of Gabe being in the locker-room every day. A full season of having one of the absolute BEST captains in the game being around the team constantly. Even if we were somehow able walk back the entire roster. Would that roster be better from having a full year of Landy in their ears. Also a full year together so they could practice more than twice. I really do think so. I loved our roster going into the playoffs. I do believe a full season together and we would have a kickin' second line.
If we can do three things this summer we could basically roll it all back and go again with a better roster.
1. Re-sign Nelson for roughly 7.25M per season. In this lineup I gave him 4 years, because I wanted him to take our deal over a three year deal someone else may be offering.
2. Re-sign Malinksi for 1.75M per season (I gave him two years in my scenario)
3. Trade Miles Wood for as minimal returning salary as possible. I'd be fine with a bunch of AHL players on two-way deals we can just assign down. All I really want his is his contract to disappear with us having to loose as little as possible. In my scenario, I stashed him in the Minors, which resulted in a 1.35M dead cap hit, which is taken into account in this scenario. That's why I'm still <792,500> as a result... so it's imperative that we actually get Wood gone to wipe the <1.35M> in dead cap space off the books and then we'd actually have $557,500 in capspace.
This roster is 21 players with Middleton the nacho eater.
Probably going to take shit for having Colton on the second line, the three LWs can be adjusted without messing up what I'm trying to do too much. I'm trying to give Nate who I think will benefit him the most between Nuke and Lehky. Nuke is the better all-around player with the higher goal scoring capacity. Also... Nuke is a RW... he should never lineup as a LW again. Then I want Necas with Nelson. I am stubborn as Bednar... I just don't get my way because he's coach.
Coyle is a damn good 3C. I like the idea of having our third line be able to play more minues. If we are doing that in a two-way role, having Lehky on the third line makes us so deep. That's why I stretched and put RosCo on the second. Ideally we'd trade RosCo but I just wanted to show what we could do with his 4M still on the books.
[edit...in this scenario, if Tucker Poolman had another year on his contract we would have been fine with Wood'd dead cap space. We might've even been fine with Wood on the roster instead of Bardakov... but I'm not sure any us would want to. As for me, I prefer Stienburg to Wood at this point.]
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Well then we'd be down two top 6 forwards and creating another pretty big hole. And the cheap additions used to be the Avs bread and butter but they haven't really been hitting on those lately. Just overall it'll take a lot of shrewd moves to get the team to even the level they were at the playoffs over the next couple years.
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drouin - mack - necas/top 6 FA
landy - nelson - necas/top 6 FA
Lekky - coyle - LOC
kelly - drury - bardakhov/ivan
you could hypothetically re-sign drou for cheap then if u trade:
colton, wood, girard, nuke
you could def find a way to sign an FA top 6 (e.g. boeser) from cap space and then leverage Nuke and girard into a top 4 LD +
i agree it would take something shrewd
A lot hinges on how they handle Cale's contract. Despite what went down with Mikko, Landy and (to a much lesser extent) MacK's negotiations, I don't have major concerns that they're going to play hardball with him. But what has been burned into my memory was Cale's quote after signing his last contract, about "believing in the program" the front office has built. The Avs are still widely viewed as a contender, but things do feel a bit grim right now for the first time since the dark days. And until the day he puts pen to paper I'm going to remain skeptical he's going to be an Av for life. If he walks it's gg's for this era.
