Morgan Rielly

[LeafSteel]

He should get 1 more year.

If he is back to his 55-65 pt production with not deathly bad defense and great transitioning then he's worth 7.5M and is a high end top pairing D-man who we should keep

If he doesn't get to that and say has a 30 pt season in 70 games and is a mess defensively, then you tell Mo its time to waive the NMC and we can retain down 2-3M to get some value and send you where you want to go, other we buy you out and you lose money which won't be made back on next contract, putting him at risk of being out of the NHL by 2028ish.

He needs to focus on the gym and his diet. Work with the sports science team and look to come back healthy and motivated to be the best D-man on the team next year.

The team should set a target weight for him to come in at and have him be required to start at that weight or see his TOI get cut

Exactly this.

He is overweight by at least 15 lbs.

He needs to commit to weight loss and improved conditioning this offseason.

If he isn’t prepared to be the best athlete he can be, then he has no business declining to waive his NTC.

The Leafs are holding up their end of the deal, he needs to hold up his.

I have a very high opinion of Rielly as a person and believe if he was challenged to do this, he will commit fully to the ask from management.

Hoping this happens and we see a better version of Rielly next season.

 

[thewave]

Exactly this.

He is overweight by at least 15 lbs.

He needs to commit to weight loss and improved conditioning this offseason.

If he isn’t prepared to be the best athlete he can be, then he has no business declining to waive his NTC.

The Leafs are holding up their end of the deal, he needs to hold up his.

I have a very high opinion of Rielly as a person and believe if he was challenged to do this, he will commit fully to the ask from management.

Hoping this happens and we see a better version of Rielly next season.

Fat Morgan looked like he was 25lbs overweight at the start of the season. 15 near the end. He needs that off 100%

 

[Maple Leaf]

These strict NTC and NMCs are dumb. If you have to give a player some form of trade protection, make it a modified one. Make them submit a list of teams every off season. Enough of this shit.

a contract is a contract

 

[Menzinger]

Mentioned this in the trade thread, but the fact that media guys have already talked about Mo loving Toronto is a signal about the NMC.

They either need to go at him with a buyout threat or try and find a way to make things work another season

 

[LeafEgo]

Mentioned this in the trade thread, but the fact that media guys have already talked about Mo loving Toronto is a signal about the NMC.

They either need to go at him with a buyout threat or try and find a way to make things work another season

Putting 20 some million dollars in his pocket and having him go out and get likely the same paycheck he already gets on top of that isnt much of a threat.

There are only two acceptable outcomes here: Make him work or Move him.

Both are doable and it's not much to ask from front office. He was fine this playoffs anyways, as he usually is.

 

[Gallagbi]

Putting 20 some million dollars in his pocket and having him go out and get likely the same paycheck he already gets on top of that isnt much of a threat.

There are only two acceptable outcomes here: Make him work or Move him.

Both are doable and it's not much to ask from front office. He was fine this playoffs anyways, as he usually is.

What do you mean by make him work?

 

[LeafEgo]

What do you mean by make him work?

Have him adequately, or greater than, support the d corps through next regular season and playoffs as our primary offensive piece.

 

[Stephen]

Mentioned this in the trade thread, but the fact that media guys have already talked about Mo loving Toronto is a signal about the NMC.

They either need to go at him with a buyout threat or try and find a way to make things work another season

I think media guys speculating on Rielly is a signal there is going to be a referendum on the relationship at some point.

IMore likely they can't move him now and don't really try this summer, but another year of this terrible play from the player contributing to a lack of success on the ice, the heat is going to be turned up very high on Rielly.

 

[Ports]

Mentioned this in the trade thread, but the fact that media guys have already talked about Mo loving Toronto is a signal about the NMC.

They either need to go at him with a buyout threat or try and find a way to make things work another season

A buyout isn’t a threat though. He probably prefers it over being traded because he gets paid 2/3 of what they owe him, becomes a UFA and ends up making more money in the end because the team he signs with doesn’t have to give up anything in a trade with the Leafs.

 

[Ports]

Putting 20 some million dollars in his pocket and having him go out and get likely the same paycheck he already gets on top of that isnt much of a threat.

There are only two acceptable outcomes here: Make him work or Move him.

Both are doable and it's not much to ask from front office. He was fine this playoffs anyways, as he usually is.

He was fine in the playoffs ? You must have been watching his junior highlights.

 

[Ports]

Have him adequately, or greater than, support the d corps through next regular season and playoffs as our primary offensive piece.

He can’t defend to save his life. 12 seasons of work hasn’t made a difference. If a coach could change him they would have by now.

 

[LeafEgo]

He can’t defend to save his life. 12 seasons of work hasn’t made a difference. If a coach could change him they would have by now.

Rielly is not a net negative in the playoffs - we can debate how much surplus value he brings.

But this year he was our only defensemen that could support the top six with high end offensive pressure. We need at least one to do that.

His issues this year were conditioning, system changes, and being paired incorrectly (very bad for Rielly).

Yes I expect Berube and co to get that all right - its not a big ask. Tre has given Berube a great team. The only sympathy I have for him next year is Matty.

 

[Ports]

Rielly is not a net negative in the playoffs - we can debate how much surplus value he brings.

But this year he was our only defensemen that could support the top six with high end offensive pressure. We need at least one to do that.

His issues this year were conditioning, system changes, and being paired incorrectly (very bad for Rielly).

Yes I expect Berube and co to get that all right - its not a big ask. Tre has given Berube a great team. The only sympathy I have for him next year is Matty.

We’re watching different players. Rielly cost them game 7 both this year and last year. I guess some people are so used to his terrible defensive decision making and lack of effort, they just accept it. I don’t.

 

[LeafEgo]

We’re watching different players. Rielly cost them game 7 both this year and last year. I guess some people are so used to his terrible defensive decision making and lack of effort, they just accept it. I don’t.

When it comes to individual players there's nothing productive to take away from our game 7 loss, other than how one performs when the entire team has given up.

Depending on how quick you were, it took only the first minute or two to know the game was lost before it started.

 

[ER89]

It's insane how we don't put pressure on mediocre ass players to f*** off after years of futility.

Talk about changing DNA? Starts at the top. Play hardball for once ffs

 

[ER89]

Rielly is not a net negative in the playoffs - we can debate how much surplus value he brings.

But this year he was our only defensemen that could support the top six with high end offensive pressure. We need at least one to do that.

His issues this year were conditioning, system changes, and being paired incorrectly (very bad for Rielly).

Yes I expect Berube and co to get that all right - its not a big ask. Tre has given Berube a great team. The only sympathy I have for him next year is Matty.

LOL bro has been paired incorrectly for his entire career I guess. Then if he so badly needs the correct partner why are we paying his ass 7.5m

So many mental gymnastics taking place - dude needs to go

 

[Tak7]

LOL bro has been paired incorrectly for his entire career I guess. Then if he so badly needs the correct partner why are we paying his ass 7.5m

So many mental gymnastics taking place - dude needs to go

While I agree that they need to explore what moving him looks like, criticizing his contract is just silly - $7.5m, at the time that he signed it, was completely fair market value.

There's currently 27 more Dmen making more money than him, of which 21 of them signed their extensions before or in the same year he did.

That's extremely fair for what he was providing before this season in an offensive capacity. He was never the best defensively, and he's not the only offensively inclined Dman who has needed a very steady partner alongside him to get the best out of him / stabilize him.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Strange... because he just had the top even strength minutes of any D on our team in the playoffs. The coaches value him, played him the most.

Strange... he is still sixth in playoff scoring for D.

Strange, still top 30 in scoring for D in the league.

Our coaching staff view him as the most important player, 5v5 on the team. He had the most minutes.

Sure, Leafs fans make scapegoats, and group think into hating D men on a regular basis, it's always been that way.

Playoff realities

#1 in Even strength Ice time
#1 in Leaf D in On Ice goals
#1 in Leaf D in points
#1 in Leaf D in Corsi
#1 Leaf D in Fenwick
#2 Leaf D in Goals %
#1 Leaf D in Expected Goals %
# 1 Leaf D in Relative Expected Goals %
#2 Leaf D in on Ice Shot attempts against.
#3 in on ice expected goals against
#2 in On Ice goal differential

Do we need him to be better... absolutely.... but he's the only real offensive threat, best puck mover...

For those that think he needs to be removed at any cost, you really need to give your head a shake, and detach yourself from group think.

We aren't replacing him with a better offensive and puck mover, for less money... particularly this offseason.

And... the club values him too much, the coach values him too much, so the reality is he isn't moving...

If you got to games live (for past 40+ years like I have you) da 1st thing you will notice ASAP is Morgan has lost 2 or 3 steps past 2 years .. he can't make up for his poor offensive or defensive reads anymore with speed like he used to .. it happens to every player but much more with D who rely on speed for their success .. his hands are not great .. they never were .. he can't play blue line on PP because his hands are poor .. his shot is far below NHL average on speed front (thought it always has been) .. bottom line what he used to make him an offensive threat is done .. he will be out of NHL in next year or two .. next summer will be his buyout year because he will be unplayable

 

[Ianturnedbull]

This is the most mean-spirited thread in years.

If you're going to say all this about his weight at least post your age, height, and your BMI.

 

[Tak7]

I think media guys speculating on Rielly is a signal there is going to be a referendum on the relationship at some point.

IMore likely they can't move him now and don't really try this summer, but another year of this terrible play from the player contributing to a lack of success on the ice, the heat is going to be turned up very high on Rielly.

At the end of his locker clean out availability, Rosie Dimano approached Mo and asked him to say hi to Tessa for her - then told her that she was available to have lunch with Tessa and see the baby.

These guys are all buddy buddy with the media. The game is so transparent - anything we hear, is directly from players and their agents.

 

[Tak7]

This is the most mean-spirited thread in years.

If you're going to say all this about his weight at least post your age, height, and your BMI.

Morgan Rielly - 31 years old, heavy, round, and a specialist in failure.
Me - Not 31, not a professional athlete.

 

[Gaberd2608]

Didn't he have a baby right before season started? Anyone with kids knows first year is a shock to the system for a normal person let alone a professional athlete.

While I am onboard for a change, I would not be shocked if he stayed and put up 40 points this season.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Didn't he have a baby right before season started? Anyone with kids knows first year is a shock to the system for a normal person let alone a professional athlete.

While I am onboard for a change, I would not be shocked if he stayed and put up 40 points this season.

Agreed. Perhaps he is showing signs of age/wear. You can't just paint him as a bad person who eats bonbons all day long.

 

[CelticDruid]

This is the most mean-spirited thread in years.

If you're going to say all this about his weight at least post your age, height, and your BMI.

Diddums!

 

[ER89]

While I agree that they need to explore what moving him looks like, criticizing his contract is just silly - $7.5m, at the time that he signed it, was completely fair market value.

There's currently 27 more Dmen making more money than him, of which 21 of them signed their extensions before or in the same year he did.

That's extremely fair for what he was providing before this season in an offensive capacity. He was never the best defensively, and he's not the only offensively inclined Dman who has needed a very steady partner alongside him to get the best out of him / stabilize him.

He needs to go