Speculation: The coaching search continues

[SensFactor]

Disappointed with Sens management if Green is the choice. Hoping to be pleasantly surprised though if he can get us to the playoffs.

 

[Dionysus]

Well yeah that’s the bare minimum even for any team. Don’t be out of it by the new year

Would be nice for a change. Playoffs are the goal. Baby steps though lol

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Part of me is kind of happy it's a bit off the wall. I worry they may have over thought it, but it tells me they wanted something particular.

I'm actually less inspired by some of the other rumored names like say McLelland.

I liked Green and his persona in Vancouver even if the results weren't there.

 

[flyingfingers]

Reading the Green thread on the Nucks board prior to his firing, it's eerily similar to DJ.

Almost (but not quite) feel bad for Green. He's in a hopeless situation where he has given up on his job, but it just won't give up on him. He can't be expected to step down, but he lost the room a long time ago and management is just sitting back and watching everything go to hell.

He is a really shitty coach and tactician, so there is literally nothing he can do. He can try(extremely stupid shit like 2 on 0 drills where everyone is confused) but the players have tuned him out, and so has jimbo and the Frank commander.

He hasn't done a good job by any objective metric, but at this point just put the poor guy out of his misery.

I love how more and more former players looking like they have new leases on life after leaving this trash system. Worst coach in the league.

Any structure or preparation would be an improvement, and Julien tends to get the respect of his players.

But Green is not a good NHL coach. He's a coach with an old school mentality in the way he coaches and hasn't progressed along with the current NHL. I don't think he's going to be a successful NHL level coach even with more experience. He still thinks the game is being played in 1990. He's out of touch with today's game and players. I haven't see one player excel under his time here and in fact I've seen regression. He's been here long enough for us to see what we've got in him... which is not much.

Green is absolutely doing long-term damage to the franchise as well. The good thing about keeping Rathbone in Abbotsford is that at least he's being kept away from Green and Baumgartner.

From the sounds of it he wants everyone to play like he and Shayne Corson did with the Leafs and tries to be a hard ass but the players don't respect him. Also get ready for too many men penalties.

 

[Golden_Jet]

DJ was making 1M and had his salary reduced to 750K during COVID. Dorion made 800K. Straight from the lips of Sean Donovan.

Supposedly the lowest paid coach last year was, 1.5 million.
I’ve meat Sean, doubt he would know, and even if he did, I don’t see him blabbering what coaches and management get paid.
Regardless of all that, I still don’t think they are looking to pay the new guy 1 million.

 

[Cosmix]

Honestly Staios has sucked. He shouldn't be GM

So tomorrow we might hear that Greene is the new coach and Katchouk has a new contract. Super exciting day! Yuck!

 

[Laphroaig]

I would have preferred Nelson. Green was pretty close to being my last choice.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. Won't get fooled again.

 

[Speatleysson]

Just came by to say ****.

Zero chance ottawa makes the playoffs next season with Green at the helm.

 

[JimmyApples]

I’m all for giving Travis Green a chance, but his past record does not instil a bid of confidence. One winning season in his career, and not a great record with the Devils last year as interim.

This is probably the most important coaching hire in franchise history. It spent years to get the core we have, and now we’re relying on Travis Green to get them into the playoffs.

 

[GCK]

Supposedly the lowest paid coach last year was, 1.5 million.
I’ve meat Sean, doubt he would know, and even if he did, I don’t see him blabbering what coaches and management get paid.
Regardless of all that, I still don’t think they are looking to pay the new guy 1 million.

This was 2021 and Sean was also docked 25%. He had no problem sharing lol.

 

[Senovision]

DJ Smith 317 games as a head coach .464 on a rebuilding team
with crazy GM at the helm the worst GM in the history of our franchise and a Crazy penny pinching owner the worst owner in the history of our franchise. Terrible goaltending and major amounts of key injuries and crazy situations....Formenton....Pinto gambling situation....and a laundry list of crazy scenarios he had to deal with....

DJ did ok considering the crazy shit show environment he had to work in and tried to insulate the players from the craziness that was...

All coaches have a shelf life and DJ's time was up but he did ok given the lunacy that was going on.
It is a guarantee that these players will never be subject to the unprecedented situations our young inexperienced players were put through over the last few seasons.

Travis Green 335 games as a head coach in the NHL .473 winning percentage.

There records as head coaches are as close to identical as you can get.

 

[flyingfingers]

Looking into the advanced metrics, even his playoff season doesn't look very good. Canucks were 23rd in 5v5 CF%, 23rd in xGF% and 25th in SF% in 19/20.

The Senators of that year were actually similar (we were 26th, 18th and 27th in those categories).

Green just got better goaltending.

Too bad he'll have Korpisalo here instead of Markstrom and Demko.

I wonder if Tierny was part of the hiring decision on this one.

 

[Stylizer1]

Oh is he on his media redemption tour?
"Hey guys, I know we our let our video coach sexually assault a player but c'mon, how couldn't I write him a positive recommendation to work with high school kids?! My hands were tied!"

he didn't let anyone do anything.

 

[Micklebot]

Like Giroux said:

“There’s no coach with a special recipe.It’s about being able to have a coach that puts in a system and us players to play the way he wants us to play. We need to be consistent in doing that. At the end of the day it’s on the players.”

Now, whether that’s Green or not we will see, but that’s who Staios and Jacques saw fit for their view of a system they want and see the team playing.

This isn’t a money thing, Green was making close to 3 million in Vancouver, he’s likely coming in somewhere around there again.

York and Ryan had similar comments when fans were putting blame on DJ

Lalji's interview sounds promising, a lot of what I've heard about how Green coaches ticks the right boxes, lets see how that translates with this team,

 

[HF Reader]

Womp womp. The disappointment train keeps chugging along. There's no getting off this ride.

There is away off the ride. I took it five years ago. Stop going to games and stop watching. You'll sleep better once you let go of the fantasy.

 

[flyingfingers]

A comparison of some underlying numbers during Green's 4 full seasons in Van, compared to Ottawa, and where both teams ranked in the league. This is not promising. I thought we were going to be more analytics driven?

It seems like any marginal success Green had (including the playoff berth) can be largely credited to goaltending. Luckily we have Korpisalo and Forsberg instead of Markstrom and Demko.

	Team	CF%	SF%	xGF%
2017/18	Van	25	25	27
	Ott	29	28	28
2018/19	Van	23	25	23
	Ott	26	27	18
2019/20	Van	23	25	23
	Ott	26	27	18
2020/21	Van	28	28	30
	Ott	19	23	21

 

[Crosside]

Jacques Martin, loin des Sénateurs, mais pas trop

À 71 ans, Jacques Martin ne s’attendait pas à retourner derrière un banc de la Ligue nationale, et pourtant, c’est en plein ce qui est arrivé.

www.lapresse.ca

Jacques said give recommendations after the year. But not part directly in the process to hire the next coach

 

[Hale The Villain]

Looking into the advanced metrics, even his playoff season doesn't look very good. Canucks were 23rd in 5v5 CF%, 23rd in xGF% and 25th in SF% in 19/20.

The Senators of that year were actually similar (we were 26th, 18th and 27th in those categories).

Green just got better goaltending.

Too bad he'll have Korpisalo here instead of Markstrom and Demko.

I wonder if Tierny was part of the hiring decision on this one.

Every year he's been a coach in the NHL he's gotten above-average goaltending, yet his teams have bled goals.

Hell even in his brief stint in NJ he got solid goaltending from Allen and Kahkonen down the stretch, yet NJ performed worse than they did under Ruff when their goalies couldn't stop a beach ball.

 

[flyingfingers]

Every year he's been a coach in the NHL he's gotten above-average goaltending, yet his teams have bled goals.

Hell even in his brief stint in NJ he got solid goaltending from Allen and Kahkonen down the stretch, yet NJ performed worse than they did under Ruff when their goalies couldn't stop a beach ball.

His starting goalie in Vancouver never had a SV% lower than .912%. But he's never had a team that ranked in the top half of the league in goals against. Twice he finished in the bottom 6.

Crazy.

 

[Micklebot]

Jacques Martin, loin des Sénateurs, mais pas trop

À 71 ans, Jacques Martin ne s’attendait pas à retourner derrière un banc de la Ligue nationale, et pourtant, c’est en plein ce qui est arrivé.

www.lapresse.ca

Jacques said give recommendations after the year. But not part directly in the process to hire the next coach

I'm surprised he wasn't more involved given the expectations he'll stay on as a consultant.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Tkachuk will ask out after next season.

 

[flyingfingers]

I'm surprised he wasn't more involved given the expectations he'll stay on as a consultant.

So they have a 'coaching consultant' with over 1000 games of NHL experience, who actually coached these players last year, but (translated):

"I don’t know the details, I don’t know when the next coach will be appointed or who will be appointed,” he adds. "I have offered my recommendations, but I am not involved in this search per se."

And he has only gotten hints that it'll be someone with experience?

Sounds like things are well thought out with this hire. Staios has really leaned into being a one man show, it seems.

 

[swiftwin]

Reading the Green thread on the Nucks board prior to his firing, it's eerily similar to DJ.

Why would management want that?!!?! I was told DJ is the worst coach ever.

 

[Crosside]

I'm surprised he wasn't more involved given the expectations he'll stay on as a consultant.

Said already at his house in Florida. Next year not sure what his role is. Want to work from home with little time in Ottawa

 

[flyingfingers]

Why would management want that?!!?! I was told DJ is the worst coach ever.

Green may give him a run for his money.