The Case for Tyler Bozak: All Tyler Bozak Discussion Here
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Show me a statistical analysis that suggests a discernible difference between a team's 1st and 2nd PK units in terms of goals allowed.
I'd actually argue that it's not a wash. I think the PK units mean nearly nothing, and the PP units have a massive effect.
Zeke I'm not trying to overlook the strides Bozak has made offensively since last season. Everyone should be able to admit that he's really improved offensively and put up respectable numbers ( playing on one of the best offensive lines in the league). All I was pointing to was that Kadri has age on his side, and he still is our best offensive center, and that ES and PP numbers prove this.
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In what ****ing universe is having top-line minutes and top-line PP DETRIMENTAL to a player's production?
Did I seriously just read a 3 page argument saying Bozak hasn't matched Kadri's 5v5 production because because "ZOMG QOC!" Ever heard of adding context to the argument? Because his teammates are mostly JVR/Kessel/Phaneuf...
Did I seriously just read a 3 page argument saying Bozak hasn't matched Kadri's 5v5 production because because "ZOMG QOC!" Ever heard of adding context to the argument? Because his teammates are mostly JVR/Kessel/Phaneuf...
I'm not the one saying he should be on the first PP based on numbers. He produces the numbers against 2nd PK. Period. You have nothing to tell you he can produce against 1st PK's.
Who said it was? This was all in comparison. Something that you can't do because they don't play the same QoC.
Like the poster said above, post some meaningful statistics to differentiate between 1st and 2nd PK units and maybe we can have a real discussion. Right now this is ad nauseam at it's finest, because there is absolutely nothing that points against 1st PP minutes NOT increasing players production. Like seriously, can't even believe were having this debate right now. Never seen someone argue that 1st pp time doesn't increase production.
You actually have no evidence whatsoever to assert that the 2nd PK unit is materially worse than the 1st unit. If you do, I'd love to see it.
You also have no evidence that he faces 2nd PK units. Lines are not matched on the PK, mainly because playing the PK is much more tiring than playing the PP. The average PK shift will be shorter than the average PP shift unless the PK team gets hemmed in.
The 1st PP unit will receive considerably more ice-time over the course of a season, not to mention the fact that it will consist of the highest Pt/G players on a specific team.
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So Joakim Lindstrom and Justin Adbelkader are clearly better than Tarasenko and Nyqvist, I mean that's obviously why the former is on the top line and not the latter, they have shown nothing that they can handle their level of QoC.
Why is it that Deharnais/Patches line for montreal is considered the top-line? It's plekanec who takes the hard match-ups, DD has shown nothing that he can produce against the hard matchups Plekanec takes.
Verified facts.
I also read you earlier saying "Possession stats without context is like ordering a hamburger without a bun."
And yet here we see you hurling around these QoC numbers backed up by zero context at all. Hypocritical much?
Like the poster said above, post some meaningful statistics to differentiate between 1st and 2nd PK units and maybe we can have a real discussion. Right now this is ad nauseam at it's finest, because there is absolutely nothing that points against 1st PP minutes NOT increasing players production. Like seriously, can't even believe were having this debate right now. Never seen someone argue that 1st pp time doesn't increase production.
Where did I say it didn't? I'm saying that you can't compare the two.
Who's hurling around QoC numbers? Show me one posting where I have. The Hamburger comment is still valid. Possession numbers without context is just that hamburger.
What youre saying in the first part I haven't a clue but it sounds like you are saying exactly what I have been saying.
Kadri should be on first PK. Based on what? He's never been on it to say that he can produce anything anything better. You'd be the same group saying Gardiner should be on the first PP. How's that looking?
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No, he's taken 6th most. On NHL.com you need to click faceoff leaders to see who's tops in terms of percentages. You clicked faceoffs.
If you're not saying that it doesn't, then you can easily compare the two by saying that 1st pp > 2nd pp interms of production.
I think Holland should be put with Bozak and JVR. Get Clarkson back with Komarov and Santorelli. That would be ideal with me as I find Clarkson was better on that line. Thats not to say he's been terrible with JVR/Bozak
I have no idea what you're talking about. Has zero to do with the discussion. You can't compare the two because one hasn't played and the 1st PP and one hasn't played on the second. Apples and oranges.
You keep repeating this, but it really doesn't make you any more right. If you accept the fact that 1st pp units produce more then 2nd pp units, then it's only logical to assume a players production will go up when he is shifted from the 2nd to the 1st pp unit. Theoretically of course.
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