Value of: The case for trading Auston Matthews

[The Moose is Loose]

Nope Marner would my pick. Much easier to draft/sign/trade for a top line winger than a center. Finding someone with that cap space and need is another story.

No one would give up any value for Marner right now though

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

This guy is a scrub, don't give him attention (like the world doesn't give attention to the Mighty Ducks).

I mean... im just telling it how it is.... if you want to live in your fantasy world where Matthews will stay in Toronto, thats fine... but its not a reality.

 

[shortfuze]

Signed 5 years not 8, literally 0 interest in staying…. Wanted to get out of there as soon as possible without coming off as a spoiled brat

its been said many times that HE wanted to sign an 8 year deal but only signed for 5 to help the cap structure. but you keep saying what you want to fit your narative. oh and by the way. quite a few of the big stars signed a 5 year deal after their ELC. Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Kane just to name a few.

 

[shortfuze]

This guy is a scrub, don't give him attention (like the world doesn't give attention to the Mighty Ducks).

lol thanks

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

its been said many times that HE wanted to sign an 8 year deal but only signed for 5 to help the cap structure. but you keep saying what you want to fit your narative. oh and by the way. quite a few of the big stars signed a 5 year deal after their ELC. Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Kane just to name a few.

What ever helps you sleep at night... itll be nice to see him back on American soil bringing a pacific team to the cup, after all these years of disappointing playoffs in canada.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I look at Detroit, Columbus, Buffalo, Anaheim, Arizona, Nashville, Seattle, and New Jersey as teams who could all put together very compelling offers for Marner while significantly aiding Toronto's cap structure in the short & longterm. Players I would look at include Larkin, Zadina, Hronek, Vrana, Bjorkstrand, Gavrikov, Korpisalo, Domi, Foudy, Forsberg, Sissons, Kunin, Fabbro, Oloffson, Cozens, Miller, Jokiharju, Rackell, Lindholm, Montour, Gibson, the list goes on. Toronto is a team, more than maybe any other in the league, that needs quantity & quality. Most teams need quality over quantity.

This is a Matthews and not a Marner thread, but I agree the Jackets might investigate a Marner trade. That said, I think Jarmo would be looking to lowball an offer, the kind that elicits angry responses from HF fans when other HF fans propose them. Bjorkstrand certainly wouldn't be a part of it, and I suspect he's not interested in moving either of the team's 2022 first-round picks.

Now maybe he comes off that (assuming I'm right, which is never a sure thing) and maybe the lowball can be made into something fair through negotiation. Just saying.

 

[Dog]

I feel like ducks kings vegas and arizona all make a little sense.

Kings for obvious reasons, and kings are more likely to be able to facilitate a trade and resign him without him going to free agency.
Anaheim should be trending up at that point, would also give them an American 1-2 punch in matthews + zegras, not to mention zegras is pretty similar stylistically to marner.... so matthews has his play maker on the PP. Should have plenty of money at that point.
Arizona, home town team... should have a good crop of young players and adding a superstar in matthews and local boy would b great for marketing.

Vegas and san jose would be the dark horses for me... Vegas might still be looking for that top line center to take them to the next lvl... and san jose always seems to jump in at the oppertunity to pick up a big name player.

Yeah, probably Kings/ Ducks/Coyotes. Vegas I think won't have the cap for him and probably more looking at California or Arizona anyway.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Not worth even fantasizing about, you don't get proper value in these types of trades. If Matthews gets traded it's in 2023-24 if the Leafs are out of the playoffs and they know he's not re-signing.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

This is a Matthews and not a Marner thread, but I agree the Jackets might investigate a Marner trade. That said, I think Jarmo would be looking to lowball an offer, the kind that elicits angry responses from HF fans when other HF fans propose them. Bjorkstrand certainly wouldn't be a part of it, and I suspect he's not interested in moving either of the team's 2022 first-round picks.

Now maybe he comes off that (assuming I'm right, which is never a sure thing) and maybe the lowball can be made into something fair through negotiation. Just saying.

I think a trade similar to the Karlsson trade, maybe with a bit more value in terms of the NHL players/2ndary prospect, could be worked out. Maybe that comes in the way of a protected 2023 1st, or maybe the 1st is replaced by an additional 2nd + prospect.

But, so long as CLB wasnt insisting on sending back specific cap-heavy players (only guy who even slightly fits that billing is Gus anyways) that TO doesnt want, I think there would be a deal that could work.

Now, would they be willing to put the best offer on the table? Maybe not. But I do think they could and probably would offer up a package that makes some sense for TO.

PS: Hows Laine looking? #s seem good.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

I can't see Matthews getting traded unless he asks for it or makes it clear he's not re-signing. Logically, it would be smarter to trade him, but you usually are seen as losing a trade when you trade the best player.

Tavares - Highly doubt he ever waives his NMC.
Marner - Due to his contract and lack of playoff production, Leafs probably lose on any trade here. They either have to take back a bad contract, retain or get the considerably worse player with a lower cap hit
Nylander - Not the player you want to trade due to his skill and contract, but would have the highest return outside of Matthews

A Matthews trade would fill way more spots, but you never want to make that trade proactively.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I can't see Matthews getting traded unless he asks for it or makes it clear he's not re-signing. Logically, it would be smarter to trade him, but you usually are seen as losing a trade when you trade the best player.

Tavares - Highly doubt he ever waives his NMC.
Marner - Due to his contract and lack of playoff production, Leafs probably lose on any trade here. They either have to take back a bad contract, retain or get the considerably worse player with a lower cap hit
Nylander - Not the player you want to trade due to his skill and contract, but would have the highest return outside of Matthews

A Matthews trade would fill way more spots, but you never want to make that trade proactively.

I think Marner absolutely returns more than Nylander. For all of Marners warts, he is a unique player who adds an element that is very hard to find. There are teams with 6-8mil tied up in 2-3 2nd-3rd line players who I am sure would happily do a quantity for quality trade... and Toronto is one of the very few teams in the league who could actually benefit from such a trade.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I think a trade similar to the Karlsson trade, maybe with a bit more value in terms of the NHL players/2ndary prospect, could be worked out. Maybe that comes in the way of a protected 2023 1st, or maybe the 1st is replaced by an additional 2nd + prospect.

But, so long as CLB wasnt insisting on sending back specific cap-heavy players (only guy who even slightly fits that billing is Gus anyways) that TO doesnt want, I think there would be a deal that could work.

Now, would they be willing to put the best offer on the table? Maybe not. But I do think they could and probably would offer up a package that makes some sense for TO.

PS: Hows Laine looking? #s seem good.

Laine looks solid. Funny though that, despite a couple OT goals, his best play has been the rest of his game, which of course has always been the beef, especially last season here.

His long-term prospects in CBJ probably depend on his salary expectations and Jarmo’s stomach for said.

Again, apologies for being OT.

 

[CycloneSweep]

If you move any of them it’s Tavares or Marner. Matthews is the guy you do what you can to keep happy.

 

[GOilers88]

what makes it pretty clear that hes leaving?

Just...reasons.

The same reasons McDavid has obviously wanted out of Edmonton for the past 6 years.

The term of Matthews deal kinda sucks, but they still have a couple of seasons to figure out if he's going to re-sign or not. Them having playoff success or not will likely be a big factor in that so I don't know why you'd even consider trading him right now. Leafs should absolutely be building around him.

 

[Willy Stylez]

Matthews is the player they should not trade..

Ok in the scenario in last year on his contract and they cannot sign an extension? Then yes he will be traded.

If someone is getting traded with a failure this season its Marner or Nylander not the best goal scoring center in the league.

 

[shortfuze]

What ever helps you sleep at night... itll be nice to see him back on American soil bringing a pacific team to the cup, after all these years of disappointing playoffs in canada.

Just a heads up, It doesn’t bother me at all if he leaves. It’s just hockey to me.

 

[Edgelord]

Considering I proposed this in the off-season, Reilly would be a UFA and have zero value in a trade.

Marner wouldn't land M.Tkachuk because Calgary already has Gaudreau.

What are the other options?



Didn't I address why they kind of can't?
And If I didn't - for who then?

People keep saying the same thing without any answers. I offer a different perspective and it's generally ignored and answered with the same thing.. trade Marner. I'll ask again - can anyone name a realistic trade (that the other team would accept) involving Marner that actually makes the Leafs a better team?

Colorado wouldn't trade Landeskog for Marner
Calgary wouldnt do Matt Tkachuk because of Gaudreau
Ottawa wouldn't do Brady because of Melnyk
I doubt Carolina does Svechnikov for Marner
Who else would Toronto target exactly?

I would go after Raymond and or Seider from Det
say Marner+1sts and top prospects for Seider+Raymond

 

[glenbuis]

Matthews is never going to be traded, franchise centers don't grow on trees sorry..

just let him walk away for nothing than

 

[glenbuis]

I think Matthews is a guy you build a winner around. However if he gives indications he won't extend when the time comes then the Leafs should be able to get a massive haul for him.

keep in mind that if matthews is interested in waiting to see what ufa brings than no team will be able to get an extension in place . without an extension in place this will seriously cut into your massive haul .

 

[ThankGord]

I would go after Raymond and or Seider from Det
say Marner+1sts and top prospects for Seider+Raymond

Yikes. No. Just no.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

I think Marner absolutely returns more than Nylander. For all of Marners warts, he is a unique player who adds an element that is very hard to find. There are teams with 6-8mil tied up in 2-3 2nd-3rd line players who I am sure would happily do a quantity for quality trade... and Toronto is one of the very few teams in the league who could actually benefit from such a trade.

But that's my point, if you trade Marner, you'd have to take back one of those overpaid 2nd liners, where as Nylander wouldn't require that in a return.

 

[RomanianLeafs]

just let him walk away for nothing than

LOL..keep dreaming

 

[RavenGuard]

Matthews is their best player. He’s a center. He’s young. They should trade Marner if they can.

Only way you trade Matthews is if you know he doesn’t want to be there and won’t re-sign.

He's a center. He's young. And in less than 3 years he's out of Toronto and playing for a US team, in all likelihood a team on the East Coast like Philly, Rags or NJ.

He quite clearly signaled his unwillingness to be in TO during his prime years when he signed a 5 year deal for 12 milly

 

[RavenGuard]

The case for trading Matthews is a lot more simple than that.

Matthews is likely a part of the culture problem, would return a small fortune and his unnecessarily short contract requires an expedited solution.

If he were signed to an eight year deal like he should've been then you could just fire Shanahan, Dubas & Keefe and trade Marner. But there's just not enough time to do a hard reset before Matthews' NMC kicks in and he's a pending UFA.

Tales of this clusterf*** will be passed down for generations.

I'm writing a book about that tale. It's called......

How To Destroy A Cup Contender In 4 Easy Steps.

 

[RavenGuard]

Here's three reasons why you don't trade Matthews:

1)Cuz you never trade a #1 Center

2) NEVER! Never ever ever. You NEVER EVER EVER Trade a #1 Center.

3) You NEVER EVER EVER trade a #1 Center EVER in the history of EVER EVER do you EVER trade a #1 Center.


I rest my case.

Unless you're the Bruins...in which case you win Cups afterwards