The Case For Bringing Back The Core

[Notsince67]

I'm fine with the core, but Keefe has to go. They also need to take haircuts.

I want tattoo removal too

 

[NVious]

Now I see clownahan is just as bad if not worse than Dubas, you'd expect someone like Dubas to be naive, but Shanahan? Pathetic.

This guy was a dopey enabler of Dubas and his insane idea of bringing him back WITHOUT seeing his playoff results shows everything one needs to know.

I guess going forward, they will get taken to the absolute cleaners by Matthews, Marner, Nylander.
14+ Matthews
12+ Marner
10+ Nylander

Absolutely utterly pathetic they will all be getting raises after 7 years of failure.

 

[NVious]

The pre-game “speeches” from Bozo the Keefe were comically blasé and about as uninspiring as you could possibly get.

Compare that with Tortorella addressing Columbus before their series against Tampa. Obviously CBJ was badly outclassed from a talent standpoint, but Torts made sure they were going to compete on a physical level and Tampa was going to get the hell beat out of them regardless of the series outcome.

Why do the 40 million dollar tinmen need to be inspired?

How about; you have a chance to go down in Hockey history in Hockey mecca, you're all paid an insane amount, try not to f***ing suck for once you parasites.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Smuckers doesn’t have enough jam for that.

A well-earned roast.

Why do the 40 million dollar tinmen need to be inspired?

How about; you have a chance to go down in Hockey history in Hockey mecca, you're all paid an insane amount, try not to f***ing suck for once you parasites.

PREACH

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

When you laugh while getting punched in the face, you are a pathetic hockey player without even the minimum size balls needed for playoff hockey.

When a rookie gets judo smashed into the ice and sustains a concussion, no one does anything about it, ever, you are a pathetic bunch of soft individuals masquerading as a “team”; this group is a disgrace to the crest.

Launch Marner into space and trade one or both of Matthews or Nylander at 12:01 of July 2nd if they don’t sign

JT? Guy’s as untradeable as Clarkson, let’s just hope he gets stripped and ends up on Robidas. He’s the softest and most uninspired of the bunch

 

[IPS]

Maybe by "core 4" they referred to Matthews, Marner, Rielly, Nylander

Tavares not included.

Or is that too optimistic?

 

[Hockeysawks]

There can't be a good argument to bring the core back imo. We have changed everything from the bottom six, the whole defence, goaltending, coaches, and support staff. The core 4 is the problem --their attitude and effort.

You may "lose" those trades, but the team needs to go in a different direction before we can't (i.e., sign the core 4 to monstrous contracts). I would rather lose the trades (hopefully by a small margin) and re-tool, than another 2 years (potentially more if they sign extensions) of the same results.

They lost for the same reason 3 years in a row its obvious the top 4 needs at least one top 6 forward to help. Dubas spent most of his assets on 3rd and 4th liners for no reason.
A tougher 4th line will not change anything. They did not loose anything from toughness they lost because they only have 4 top 6 players.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Smuckers doesn’t have enough jam for that.

Just for funsies.

 

[daveleaf]

Very curious what the players were dissatisfied with. According to all reports the players like playing for Keefe.

I have a feeling it may be Nylander. Keefe kept on sending JT out there when he was clearly struggling and looking slow. He should have been double shifting Nylander.

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No, that’s exactly what Dubas FAILED do.

Instead of surrounding the core with tough, aggressive, fast skating, hard checking players he added more soft finesse players - - the only difference was they were less skilled.

Instead of dumping his buddy Bozo the Keefe, he insisted on sticking with him for five consecutive years of embarrassing coaching mistakes.

When players are struggling - - like Matthews and Marner clearly were against Florida - - a competent coach would scale back their ice time and send out guys who were playing better in the moment, instead of continuing to force feed them 22 to 24 minutes per game and 90 seconds of every power play.

When the opposition clogs the neutral zone with five players lined up across the blue line, a competent coach would employ the dump and chase instead of watching his core try to single-handedly stick handle through the opposition or turn around and skate backwards into their own zone.

And who chases in this lineup? Second line I'm ok with a third and fourth but who chases on the first?

 

[daveleaf]

They lost for the same reason 3 years in a row its obvious the top 4 needs at least one top 6 forward to help. Dubas spent most of his assets on 3rd and 4th liners for no reason.
A tougher 4th line will not change anything. They did not loose anything from toughness they lost because they only have 4 top 6 players.

Even ROR said they were out hit. Mariner and Mathews were ineffective. Nylander was one of the few forwards who kept driving, he had no puck luck. Reilly was awesome.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Shanahan is just making obligatory statements. If Matthews demands $15M AAV with a NMC they trade him immediately.

 

[FerrisRox]

JT? Guy’s as untradeable as Clarkson, let’s just hope he gets stripped and ends up on Robidas. He’s the softest and most uninspired of the bunch

You know that the Leafs traded Clarkson, right?

 

[daveleaf]

Shanahan is just making obligatory statements. If Matthews demands $15M AAV with a NMC they trade him immediately.

I agree. Just because you can't sign the deal till July 1st does not mean you can't negotiate that deal.

 

[ULF_55]

Matthews and marner against Montreal.
Run it back when it isn't working against Florida.
Don't change coach.

 

[Notsince67]

Wonder if all the shit talking nubes are still here when the season begins again.

 

[thusk]

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I would agree with this approach because I’ve always viewed Dubas and Bozo the Keefe as being the biggest problems.

Having a competent GM who understands how to construct a roster that compliments the strengths of the core and compensates for the weaknesses of the core would be a massive upgrade for the franchise.

Having an NHL-calibre coach who can establish consistent line pairings, implement an effective scheme, make in-game adjustments and hold players accountable is something the Leafs haven’t had for the past half decade.

If rumors are true, Shanahan blocked some Dubas trade and forced Dubas to make move he was not agree with...

 

[RoadWarrior]

Wonder if all the shit talking nubes are still here when the season begins again.

if they run the core back with Keefe as coach…I’m out. Won’t be watching the games next season. Total waste of time.

 

[Wendel17]

Any trade made for Matthews/Marner/Nylander will be a loss for us. As disillusioned as a I am with their performance, trading them for the sake of it will do no good. Need I remind everyone of the Taylor Hall for Adam Larson trade. How good would Taylor Hall look on Edmonton now? Bad trades won't make us better.

The correct answer is to trade Tavares but he won't go for that, so we have to sit tight until his contract drops off the books.

 

[Notsince67]

You know that the Leafs traded Clarkson, right?

He was thinking about Clarkson on the voice

 

[thewave]

If rumors are true, Shanahan blocked some Dubas trade and forced Dubas to make move he was not agree with...

Dubas sucked regardless. The only problem with that scenario is why didn't he just fire him after MTL if he was going to hide behind him.

 

[Trapper]

8th times the charm? Preparation H version of the Matthews era?

If Dubas hadn’t pooched himself, we’ve just been maneuvered into accepting a run it back.

 

[thusk]

Dubas sucked regardless. The only problem with that scenario is why didn't he just fire him after MTL if he was going to hide behind him.

If Shanahan just tried to use Dubas like his puppet or if Dubas didn't full capacity to do what he want as GM, how can we judge him

 

[ULF_55]

Okay.

Redistributed top players.

Change the lines.

marner not with Matthews
Nylander not with Tavares

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

You know that the Leafs traded Clarkson, right?

Yeah very aware, was one of the happiest memories as a Leaf fan and I legit thought it would never happen.

The point being, we need someone as dumb as Jarmo and an uninsured contract like Horton’s. So yeah, pretty unmoveable…

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Okay.

Redistributed top players.

Change the lines.

marner not with Matthews
Nylander not with Tavares