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Keeping the Rantanen we saw play the last 2 games (For Carolina) would be akin to playing a Cardboard cutout that can't move.. YES he was that terrible.
As to the team Florida is all in their heads and The first game was closer then the score this last game wasn't Mo took off the gas and they still coasted. Bob is so far in their heads just hang a Paper Bob in the goal I doubt the canes would score twice..

They need a real sandpaper player with Grit.. and no they don't have that guy they are too "nice"
They need a Marchand, 5 year ago Perry Tkachuk.
I agree that Rantanen wasn't working and trading him was the right move, but I was just emphasizing that losing Necas still left a gap on offense for them. One they will need to fill during the off-season.

I think it is a bit too simplified to say the Panthers are in their head. They are just getting outclassed by a better team right now and the Canes just have no idea how to create space with this type of defensive pressure.
 
In all honesty I think Carolina overachieves every season when they make the ECF anyway. They have Kotkaniemi/Roslovic at 2C for crying out loud. RBA in my opinion has done the most he could do with a mediocre roster and the ball is in managements court to go out and sign players who can elevate the top-6. Canes are the reverse Maple Leafs, way too much depth not top-heavy enough.
 
It’s ok, Rod is the greatest ever to coach in North Carolina and can do no wrong, he is the ultimate best transcends all others
 
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There's no such thing as "overachievement". It's literally impossible by definition. You can achieve to the top of your ability as an individual or as a team, but you cannot achieve more than your ability.

This is a really strange response. “Overachievement” is a word with a literal definition:


“One who achieves success over and above the standard or expected level especially at an early age”

I have never in my life heard this word used to suggest “achieve more than your ability”. If that was what it meant, the word wouldn’t even exist in the first place as it would never have an application. The definition above is what people mean when they use it.
 
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As a fan of one of the many teams that hasn't had the opportunity to watch my team in the conference finals in a long time, I think it's honestly not a statistic that necessarily requires an excuse. You can't say that a team that has regularly visited the conference finals is incapable of playing well in the playoffs. But if you aren't the best team in the conference at any point, you are always going to eventually run into someone better than you. And when you do, why does the inevitable losing require an excuse?

We are talking about 13-14 straight losses in the CF though.
 
There's no such thing as "overachievement". It's literally impossible by definition. You can achieve to the top of your ability as an individual or as a team, but you cannot achieve more than your ability.
WTF is this lol. It means achieving more than you were expected to.

“There’s no such thing…” 😂. I’ve never seen more obnoxiously confident incorrect takes in one place than I have on HF, Jesus Christ. This place is like the capital of the internet for that lmao.

You really thought you did something with this 🤣🤣
 
The Metro as a whole hasn't been that good in recent times. Since the Caps victory in 2018, no metro team has made the cup finals. Once they get to the conf finals they get torched by whichever Atlantic team is there.
 
I dont think they have overachieved at all. Do you think they are a 1st round exit fringe playoff team?
They have a talented group.

They are at the Round 2/Conference Final level that is their ceiling. I don't think anybody expected them to beat Florida, just they have not been competitive at this stage of the tournament. They are what they are: the team that gets beat up on by the real Cup contenders.
 
I think it is a bit too simplified to say the Panthers are in their head. They are just getting outclassed by a better team right now and the Canes just have no idea how to create space with this type of defensive pressure.
I agree Florida is the better team but they are also in the Canes heads .

By that I mean they are inventing boogie men where none are needed.

The Canes are acting like Bob is the version we face in 23 right now. He's good but he's not having to be even good the shots we are getting in the good areas we are passing and Florida's getting to the pass. Bob may even be better then in 23 but right now I don't think you could prove it to anyone as the Canes (due to Florida) are making it easy on Bob. Seriously.. there's a reason I said a paper version of Bob.. He's not had to be anything other then existent.
 
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I'm generally of the position that the Canes are a good not great team that perform and execute their system and game plan well.

Aho is their best offensive player and he is a 30+ G / PPG or slightly above kind of guy. Great in all situations. Truly a Barkov light type player. Not as gifted or big.

Svech I guess you could say is like a Matty T extra light type player. When healthy and on his game he is a PPG power forward but the consistency isn't there so far in his career. This playoffs he has been a game changer.

Jarvis is a great all-round 35-35 type player who is great in all situations and plays with edge. Still quite young and improving every year but is more in the Aho mould and doubt he becomes much more than PPG type player.

That's really it for 'high end' offensive talent on the team. Great depth with guys like Blake, Stankoven, Hall, Staal, Martinook, Kotkaniemi and all the way down to Roslovic, Robinson, Carrier, etc. but these guys aren't going to put you over the top. Maybe Blake and Stankoven one day can be top line caliber players but not right now.

The defence is steady but unspectacular. Slavin is elite at what he does. Everyone else has flaws and is probably overslotted in an ideal situation. Nikishin will hopefully be another elite piece here and I see no reason why Rod doesn't let him loose in game 3. Nothing to lose now.

Goaltending is swiss cheese and very jekyll and hyde. Andersen can play amazing for stretches but injuries always come into play and he seems to be a goalie that can only get you so far. Pyotr has shown great progression in his young career but this year was very inconsistent and feels like a step back.

In Rod's entire tenure, he has never had a true 1A goalie. The most games played for Freddie was 52, and that was 4 years ago.

18/19 - Mrazek + McElhinney
19/20 - Mrazek + Reimer
20/21 - Mrazek + Reimer + Nedeljkovic
21/22 - Andersen + Raanta
22/23 - Andersen + Raanta + Kochetkov
23/24 - Andersen + Raanta + Kochetkov
24/25 - Andersen + Kochetkov

Canes try to play a hard nosed, forechecking, defensively strong game and it works against most of the league. When you are facing elite competition it's less effective and when you don't have McDavid, Drai, MacKinnon, etc. type players who can take over games and score at will, you're not going to get the results that you want.

Maybe Rod needs to figure out how to change things up against these tougher teams. Clearly whatever they are doing in the ECF isn't working but if you don't have the horses you don't have the horses.

2009 Penguins were beastly and that was not a strong Canes team. They got hot and upset 2 good teams in the Devils and Bruins. Malkin went nuts. Ward was overplayed and injured in net (story of his career).

2019 Bruins were a way better team and the Canes were a plucky 8 seed who had missed the playoffs for a decade. Everything was new and they were outmatched.

2023 against the Panthers was razor thin margins. All 1 goal losses. 2 OT games. Panthers won game 4 with a last second goal. Against any other team the Canes probably roll to the finals but that's not how life works.

2025... Panthers are a juggernaught and the Canes aren't as good as they were 2 years ago. Florida is built to grind you to dust and win the playoffs. What the Canes do well and works against the rest of the league doesn't work on these guys and probably wouldn't work on the Stars either. Oilers maybe because that team HAS holes and can be exposed at times.

It sucks and the Canes absolutely need to show fight to make this a series but winning against Florida was always going to be a longshot.
 
I dont think they have overachieved at all. Do you think they are a 1st round exit fringe playoff team?

They are one of 4 teams in the 108-year history of the NHL to not get eliminated in the first round (or miss altogether) for 7 straight years.

During that timeframe, only one team (Dallas) has more CF appearances. Carolina is tied with Florida, Tampa Bay, and Edmonton for 2nd.

Now look at their roster.

Yes, I’d call that overachievement.
 
It’s ok, Rod is the greatest ever to coach in North Carolina and can do no wrong, he is the ultimate best transcends all others
It’s like Canes’ management is satisfied to be the best of a weak division. I think RodBod is a good coach. He has his guys all buying in to playing the right way. The management there is not providing the core guys needed. They tried with Rantanen and (so it sure looks like) should have kept him as central. Stankoven is good. But he’s a bit small to be a core piece in big boy hockey. He’s a supporting player.
 
Update: it is now 14. There's a new thread about it.

 
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