CHL Can Now Play NCAA - Changes Everything

[wickedwitch]

How is NCAA hockey getting flooded with Canadian kids good for USA hockey? It is good for the NCAA for sure. Not the same thing. I think the development of Canadian players gets a big boost...but Hockey Canada likely doesn't love it domestic league getting hit like this either.

Long, long term (like 20+ years), strengthening NCAA hockey so much will trickle down to strengthening hockey in the US. But short-term, I think it hurts USA ockey slightly.

 

[jtechkid68]

He doesn't realize top end NCAA facilities are top 10 NHL level facilities

I was referencing more the facilities of the USHL verse CHL facilities and coaching at junior level

 

[goavsblue8]

Man naurato/michigan whiffing on mckenna to their biggest rival would be devastating. They have pretty clearly been banking on him coming. Bucci has been having some fun with the mckenna ncaa stuff though, so i am not sure if hes joking, serious, or has good or bad info. Until today there wasnt a peep about mckenna and msu.

 

[wickedwitch]

Man naurato/michigan whiffing on mckenna to their biggest rival would be devastating. They have pretty clearly been banking on him coming. Bucci has been having some fun with the mcknna ncaa stuff though, so i am not sure if hes joking, serious, or has good or bad info. Until today there wasnt a peep about mckenna and msu.

Ooh, I wonder if Lindstrom going to MSU and now playing with McKenna swayed things at all.

(If that's what happens.)

 

[AyeBah]

Man naurato/michigan whiffing on mckenna to their biggest rival would be devastating. They have pretty clearly been banking on him coming. Bucci has been having some fun with the mckenna ncaa stuff though, so i am not sure if hes joking, serious, or has good or bad info. Until today there wasnt a peep about mckenna and msu.

You finally realized Naruato can't coach anything, dbag who got a good job fed to him

 

[wetcoast]

Can we let him play the game tomorrow at least FFS?

 

[wetcoast]

Any team that isn't in the NHL should not feel entitled to prospects staying for more than one season. That is simply the reality of not being the final stop in the pipeline and not offering financial security. That CHL franchises and fanbases developed an attitude that kids are beholden to playing for them for multiple years is an accident of history.

Well to play Devils advocate why should the NHL be exempt eh?

Watches most people twist into pretzels now.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Well to play Devils advocate why should the NHL be exempt eh?

Watches most people twist into pretzels now.

$$$ contracts?

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

Just found out Reschny and Verhoff are leaving to North Dakota. Shocked and devastated.

 

[jtechkid68]

You finally realized Naruato can't coach anything, dbag who got a good job fed to him

Been saying he’s fired end of this year -

 

[wetcoast]

$$$ contracts?

Sure but the UFA and RFA thing has nothing to do with contracts does it?

Pretzels +1

 

[WarriorofTime]

Sure but the UFA and RFA thing has nothing to do with contracts does it?

Pretzels +1

I don’t know what you’re saying.

 

[MTU34]

 

[wetcoast]

I don’t know what you’re saying.

I'm saying that people think it's okay for some teams and leagues to lose players but don't go there with the NHL and it's a little hypocritical IMO.

Look I get the stability that the NHL wants and needs as a league but other leagues need this as well.

I'm fine with the junior players having more options to play in different places and some of thsoe players will choose poorer options, in hindsight, that's how it goes.

The NHL is better than it used to be with Free agency, ect but I always find it interesting how the "principle" of letting players choose depends on the level of play, don't you?

Just don't get started on the salary cap which is complete bullshit allowing billionaires to fleece even more money from us fans.

Have a luxury tax cap like baseball does at least but the NHL like all professional sports is about money and making as much of it as possible.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I'm saying that people think it's okay for some teams and leagues to lose players but don't go there with the NHL and it's a little hypocritical IMO.

Look I get the stability that the NHL wants and needs as a league but other leagues need this as well.

I'm fine with the junior players having more options to play in different places and some of thsoe players will choose poorer options, in hindsight, that's how it goes.

The NHL is better than it used to be with Free agency, ect but I always find it interesting how the "principle" of letting players choose depends on the level of play, don't you?

Just don't get started on the salary cap which is complete bullshit allowing billionaires to fleece even more money from us fans.

Have a luxury tax cap like baseball does at least but the NHL like all professional sports is about money and making as much of it as possible.

Are junior players receiving 7 and 8 figure contracts in exchange for certain concessions, I.e. the ability to play wherever they want in any given season? You can call it “pretzels” all you want but when it’s amateurs versus highly compensated professionals, the situations are not similar. The things you are declaring BS were all heavily negotiated points in a collective bargaining agreement by a players association designed to represent the interests of all players as a whole.

 

[wetcoast]

Are junior players receiving 7 and 8 figure contracts in exchange for certain concessions, I.e. the ability to play wherever they want in any given season? You can call it “pretzels” all you want but when it’s amateurs versus highly compensated professionals, the situations are not similar. The things you are declaring BS were all heavily negotiated points in a collective bargaining agreement by a players association designed to represent the interests of all players as a whole.

The players association isn't a real bargaining committee either compared to say baseball where the players actually exercise their rights.

but like I said if you agree with the principle of letting players play where they want why make differences in leagues.

Why can't Bedard be a UFA after 3 years?

Don't give me the "agreement" bs, give me the principle reason why it's different?

It's not and frankly I'm not up in arms about it was just playing the devils advocate because many people are so emotionally attached to their pro teams that emotion rules over logic and that was my pretzel point.

People will twist themselves into pretzels "defending" non logic for one case but not the other and that's based on emotion.

 

[Leviathan899]

Long, long term (like 20+ years), strengthening NCAA hockey so much will trickle down to strengthening hockey in the US. But short-term, I think it hurts USA ockey slightly.

Big time. There’s roughly 300+ college roster spots in a given year, and already 30% of college hockey is Canadian born. Now we’ve seen over 200 CHL kids commit to ncaa, and I know not all are Canadian, but the vast majority of them are, and while they all won’t be enrolling this fall, most will in the next 1/2 years. Nearly 60% of college hockey will be Canadian kids, and the rest will be the very best Americans. Gone are the days where Minnesota HS is a main pipeline for college, watch that entire circuit fall apart within 2-3 years as a cut in 60-70% of them don’t get offered scholarships like in the past. The trickle down this will have on the USA hockey minor hockey and prep/HS aspect is going to be drastic. Then again, the NHL isn’t happy with the state of US hockey development, they’ve had improvements and have had some success at the junior level with WJC golds, but with the registration uptick they’ve enjoyed, it hasn’t translated into the depth they were hoping would happen. A lot of elite American talent, no doubt, but the last few drafts for them have been paltry, record low number of kids drafted, and the USHL isn’t pulling its weight, so the NHL announced an increase of funding to try and get it back on track. But if I’m a USA hockey fan, I’m not happy right now.

 

[Bonin21]

The quality of play in the big NCAA conferences is going to quickly get damn close to the AHL

 

[BKarchitect]

The quality of play in the big NCAA conferences is going to quickly get damn close to the AHL

The “mids” aren’t going to be pushovers either with the influx of legit 19 & 20 year-old commits to a bunch of those programs. Some of the CCHA teams are really using connections and then a team like Quinnipiac…they have always been great at making use of resources and now they are adding some of the top 20 year-olds in the CHL like Verreault and Vidicek.

I do feel like the very lower end programs are monumentally screwed, but maybe there is a trickle down effect?

 

[Bjorn Le]

He doesn't realize top end NCAA facilities are top 10 NHL level facilities

The very top NCAA facilities, yes. But we are strictly speaking just athletic facilities. Coaching and hockey-specific training programs are better in professional environments on aggregate. While there are some NHL teams that need to improve their minor league development and coaching, there is lot of sub-par coaching and hockey-specific training (from a development perspective) in the NCAA, including at top programs.

Yeah guys would rather ride the bus and eat soggy subs in middle of nowhere towns for 1/2 their NIL deal. Tell me you've never been to a major college campus in your life lol

This myth needs to stop being repeated. The vast majority of hockey players will not be getting six-figure NIL deals. Only the star prospects with clear future NHL talent will get those. Financially speaking the AHL on an ELC will still be better for most players.

Another myth is that the social attractiveness of being on a U.S. college campus is going to another motivating factor. For non-prospects, sure. For legitimate future NHL talent, there is so limited non-training/non-hockey free time, especially for draft eligible prospects will not have the luxury of spending their free evenings/weekends acting like a typical college student.

 

[jtechkid68]

Just found out Reschny and Verhoff are leaving to North Dakota. Shocked and devastated.

The quality of play in the big NCAA conferences is going to quickly get damn close to the AHL

I thought the CHL people said all the top guys are staying because it’s the best development league for the NHL- looking in the rare view mirrow as eventually everybody will be going to NCAA college route and CHL is taking a big hit . You know a lot of first round kids are calling their agents saying I don’t want to go back when lot of top kids are to college . I don’t see how Schaefer , MiSa , Desmoyers , Martone going back to Juniors helps their develement . I think Schaefer and Misa can play pro but in the future they would be already at college and have choice for 1 more year of college or turn pro .Saginaw and Erie already lost top end to college- pro and will be brutal . USA USA USA college - somebody tell the gophers to wake up

 

[Oak]

The CHL getting cleaned up of their top young talent might be a saving grace for the USHL.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

The CHL getting cleaned up of their top young talent might be a saving grace for the USHL.

...how?

 

[TLEH]

CHL fans are losing a ton of their top talent for the first time, well, I think the NCAA is a step up, but I fully understand CHL fans being upset

 

[WarriorofTime]

Another myth is that the social attractiveness of being on a U.S. college campus is going to another motivating factor. For non-prospects, sure. For legitimate future NHL talent, there is so limited non-training/non-hockey free time, especially for draft eligible prospects will not have the luxury of spending their free evenings/weekends acting like a typical college student.

This is completely wrong. Division 1 athletes have very active and prominent social lives. “Big man on the campus” is very much a thing. I remember on a podcast Scott Darling said being the starting goaltender for Maine is akin to being the starting quarterback at USC.