Speculation: The Bruins and Jeremy Swayman are far apart in contract term (length) and dollar amount.

[Petes2424]

Claiming Patera today was a very tactical move by the Bruins. He’s a product of Cassidy’s system in Vegas and played it well when called upon.

They’re setting up NOT to have Swayman around. You’d assume they’d get a goalie back in a trade but having Patera allows them not to panic into a deal. It’s probably the smartest move Boston has made in this entire saga.

 

[brentashton]

Oilers bought out Campbell just a half season too early.

 

[POVERTY]

I feel like these past few years have been rough on all of us so it's nice to see something like this bring the whole hockey world together

 

[brentashton]

To show this petulant man-child and his crony agent who's boss.

You have me confused. I believe petulant man child is printed on Cam Neely’s business card.

 

[Peasy]

The heat really gets turned up once games start getting played especially with the prorated cap hit that would come with it. Bruins currently only have 8.5m in cap space, and are already reportingly offering near 8m. It wont take long for that prorated first year cap hit to hit that 8.5m number. For reference, Nylander holding out as long as he could ended up with a cap hit of 10.2m the first year, and 6.9m the rest of the years.

 

[Score08]

Swayman and his agent aren't dumb enough to fall for this.

It's one thing to say "it's a tandem" but when the playoffs come along and the games really matter, Swayman plays all the games.

6&6 in the po is not an 80m $ player

 

[NyQuil]

6&6 in the po is not an 80m $ player

I watched Boston in the playoffs last year, he was their MVP.

They averaged less than 2.5 goals for per game which was the worst of all the teams that made it out of the first round.

Meanwhile, their GAA was 3rd in the league.

You can't try to pretend that it's a tandem when you relied upon him so much in the post-season last year.

I get why Boston doesn't want to pay him huge bucks. But they will have to pay him like a starter.

 

[Score08]

I watched Boston in the playoffs last year, he was their MVP.

They averaged less than 2.5 goals for per game which was the worst of all the teams that made it out of the first round.

Meanwhile, their GAA was 3rd in the league.

You can't try to pretend that it's a tandem when you relied upon him so much in the post-season last year.

I get why Boston doesn't want to pay him huge bucks. But they will have to pay him like a starter.

They can pay him like a starter when he is the starter. If you want to paid like the man, you have to be the man. He hasnt stepped up yet.

 

[ON3M4N]

More than 44 games a season

So 45 games?

 

[NyQuil]

They can pay him like a starter when he is the starter. If you want to paid like the man, you have to be the man. He hasnt stepped up yet.

Bridge seems to be the obvious move.

I had actually assumed that it was both Boston and Swayman pushing for the long contract, with both sides originally thinking that they could take advantage of his performance last year.

Neely: "If we offer a long contract, we can get a bargain on those later years when he's playing like the star goalie we know he is."

Swayman: "I just proved to them that I'm the starter. They've traded Ulmark so clearly they're willing to pay me long-term for the position they've given me."

 

[Score08]

So 45 games?

Do you want to have a serious conversation or not?

 

[ON3M4N]

There’s nothing to argue. One guy won a lot more when it mattered. Nevermind it being a different market then. It’s ten plus years ago it wasn’t last week

You mean like the 2010 playoffs when a Rask backstopped team was up 3-0 in a series against Philly only to have it go 7 games....where they were up 3-0 in game 7 but eventually lost game 7 to PHI by a score of 4-3?

Do you want to have a serious conversation or not?

Yes, that's why I asked what starter numbers were. I gave you a chance to give me a serious evaluation of what you felt like were starter numbers. Instead you just said "more than 44"

 

[Score08]

Bridge seems to be the obvious move.

I had actually assumed that it was both Boston and Swayman pushing for the long contract, with both sides originally thinking that they could take advantage of his performance last year.

Neely: "If we offer a long contract, we can get a bargain on those later years when he's playing like the star goalie we know he is."

Swayman: "I just proved to them that I'm the starter. They've traded Ulmark so clearly they're willing to pay me long-term for the position they've given me."

Bridge seems to be the only option left to salvage whatever relationship is left here. I don’t believe in paying players for their past performances but I’m also sitting at a bar right now and not in an NHL team board room so I’ll admit my expertise is nonexistent.

 

[Score08]

You mean like the 2010 playoffs when a Rask backstopped team was up 3-0 in a series against Philly only to have it go 7 games....where they were up 3-0 in game 7 but eventually lost game 7 to PHI by a score of 4-3?



Yes, that's why I asked what starter numbers were. I gave you a chance to give me a serious evaluation of what you felt like were starter numbers. Instead you just said "more than 44"

Swayman was 25th in the league at 44, Saros was first at 64. Bare minimum games played should be at least 55 to justify his demands. Ideally I’d like to see him do it at least once, preferably 2-3 times before I’m comfortable with the bruins tying up that kind of dough in one guy .

 

[TheBeard]

?

If he’s only in it for the money then go play basketball.

 

[Score08]

Friedman says swayman asking for 9 m. See ya bud !

 

[ON3M4N]

Swayman was 25th in the league at 44, Saros was first at 64. Bare minimum games played should be at least 55 to justify his demands. Ideally I’d like to see him do it at least once, preferably 2-3 times before I’m comfortable with the bruins tying up that kind of dough in one guy .

Ok so 55 games is that threshold of being considered a starter. Fair enough. Interestingly Swayman started 55 games this season between the regular season and playoffs. I think we'd agree that he was an absolute moster in the playoffs. With that said is there really a concern of him not being to handle a 55 game workload? It's roughly 2 extra games a month during the season.

Using the same 55 game min you mentioned (again fair number) I was curious how many goalies over the last 3 seasons averaged 55+ games. These would be guys that we could call true starters based on our definition

Saros
Hellebuyck
Vasilevskiy
Markstrom
Sarokin
Shesterkin

It's crazy how few true starters there are in the NHL.

 

[gstommylee]

Friedman says swayman asking for 9 m. See ya bud !

He's not getting 9m regardless of where he plays at...

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Ok so 55 games is that threshold of being considered a starter. Fair enough. Interestingly Swayman started 55 games this season between the regular season and playoffs. I think we'd agree that he was an absolute moster in the playoffs. With that said is there really a concern of him not being to handle a 55 game workload? It's roughly 2 extra games a month during the season.

Using the same 55 game min you mentioned (again fair number) I was curious how many goalies over the last 3 seasons averaged 55+ games. These would be guys that we could call true starters based on our definition

Saros
Hellebuyck
Vasilevskiy
Markstrom
Sarokin
Shesterkin

It's crazy how few true starters there are in the NHL.

There are probably some guys you could include that only don't meet that average due to injuries. Hard to tell exactly, but Oettinger seems to be one since he has some elongated gaps in his games played in a couple years.

 

[wintersej]

Ok so 55 games is that threshold of being considered a starter. Fair enough. Interestingly Swayman started 55 games this season between the regular season and playoffs. I think we'd agree that he was an absolute moster in the playoffs. With that said is there really a concern of him not being to handle a 55 game workload? It's roughly 2 extra games a month during the season.

Using the same 55 game min you mentioned (again fair number) I was curious how many goalies over the last 3 seasons averaged 55+ games. These would be guys that we could call true starters based on our definition

Saros
Hellebuyck
Vasilevskiy
Markstrom
Sarokin
Shesterkin

It's crazy how few true starters there are in the NHL.

I mean yeah that’s why most goalies make 5-6 million.

Obviously, there is projecting going on on both sides. Because he is obviously good.

But agreeing on that projection is hard. Which is why I always assumed it would be a 4 year deal inline with what Saros and Helly got at this stage.

Swayman can pound sand at 9. There is no reasonable argument for why he gets more than Sorokin.

 

[ON3M4N]

I mean yeah that’s why most goalies make 5-6 million.

Obviously, there is projecting going on on both sides. Because he is obviously good.

But agreeing on that projection is hard. Which is why I always assumed it would be a 4 year deal inline with what Saros and Helly got at this stage.

Swayman can pound sand at 9. There is no reasonable argument for why he gets more than Sorokin.

At the end of the day it's how much risk does either side want to take. For the Bruins if you make him prove himself and he does, then you'll play more in the long run. If he doesn't then you're not locked in for 8yrs. It comes down to how confident that Swayman will turn into the elite goalie he's trending towards.

 

[Roo]

Feels like a $64m deal doesn’t get this done. Once he signs, nobody is going to go back and explain what happened in negotiations. If he signs an 8x8 he looks bad. Implying it may have been on the table and Neely is in the right. He can’t take lower of course. So something around $8.5-9m makes sense (from the players perspective, not suggesting he is worth it). Bruins should not have made a public statement.

 

[ON3M4N]

There are probably some guys you could include that only don't meet that average due to injuries. Hard to tell exactly, but Oettinger seems to be one since he has some elongated gaps in his games played in a couple years.

Then you start getting into a grey area and where does that grey area end?

 

[TD Charlie]

You mean like the 2010 playoffs when a Rask backstopped team was up 3-0 in a series against Philly only to have it go 7 games....where they were up 3-0 in game 7 but eventually lost game 7 to PHI by a score of 4-3?



Yes, that's why I asked what starter numbers were. I gave you a chance to give me a serious evaluation of what you felt like were starter numbers. Instead you just said "more than 44"

Kinda. That was the year before though. He was on a bridge deal for those years. I think. I forget. A few mil maybe.

He had still won more. And it wasn’t all that recent. Might as well go back to the 70s at this point. When guys were paid with beers and pub food

 

[Menzinger]

I'd love to see GMs start to play hardball like this

Spite their own teams success to stick it to agents? Seems like a lose-lose scenario for all involved