Speculation: The Bruins and Jeremy Swayman are far apart in contract term (length) and dollar amount.

[Eddie Munson]

Vasy and Bob both have Cups. Can't see how he thinks he deserves more than Hellebuyck

FFS he's won one playoff series.

100%. Too me the obvious comp is Saros.

Juuse Saros age 23, 24, 25 seasons:
18-19 - 17-10-2 / S% .915 / GAA 2.62
19-20 - 17-12-4 / S% .914 / GAA 2.70
20-21 - 21-11-1 / S% .927 / GAA 2.28 [Votes: Hart 11; Vezina 6]

Jeremy Swayman age 23, 24, 25 seasons:
21-22 - 23-14-3 / S% .914 / GAA 2.421
22-23 - 24-6-4 / S% .920 / GAA 2.27
20-21 - 25-10-8 / S% .916 / GAA 2.53 [Votes: Byng 44; Vezina 7]

Saros at the same age with similar stats and splitting time took a 4x5m contract extension worth 6.13% of the cap or about an AAV of 5.4m in today's cap.

Saros then showed he could be a solid starter and was able to sign a long term contract extension worth 7.74m.

My guess is this whole argument is predicated on Swayman's camp stating "look what Saros, Hellebuyck, Bobrovsky, Vasilevskey are right now and look what they get!" And the Boston camp pointing to Saros of 2021 stating "this is almost a direct comp."

Vast difference between those two contracts so it'll be interesting to see what they work out.

 

[wintersej]

100%. Too me the obvious comp is Saros.

Juuse Saros age 23, 24, 25 seasons:
18-19 - 17-10-2 / S% .915 / GAA 2.62
19-20 - 17-12-4 / S% .914 / GAA 2.70
20-21 - 21-11-1 / S% .927 / GAA 2.28 [Votes: Hart 11; Vezina 6]

Jeremy Swayman age 23, 24, 25 seasons:
21-22 - 23-14-3 / S% .914 / GAA 2.421
22-23 - 24-6-4 / S% .920 / GAA 2.27
20-21 - 25-10-8 / S% .916 / GAA 2.53 [Votes: Byng 44; Vezina 7]

Saros at the same age with similar stats and splitting time took a 4x5m contract extension worth 6.13% of the cap or about an AAV of 5.4m in today's cap.

Saros then showed he could be a solid starter and was able to sign a long term contract extension worth 7.74m.

My guess is this whole argument is predicated on Swayman's camp stating "look what Saros, Hellebuyck, Bobrovsky, Vasilevskey are right now and look what they get!" And the Boston camp pointing to Saros of 2021 stating "this is almost a direct comp."

Vast difference between those two contracts so it'll be interesting to see what they work out.

Demko, Helly's last contract, Shesterkin all similar kinds of deals as Saros.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Vasy and Bob both have Cups. Can't see how he thinks he deserves more than Hellebuyck

FFS he's won one playoff series.

Doesn't matter, should have argued that and got him to sign before giving him all the leverage. Swayman said it himself Boston ripped him apart in arbitration and said it was business to get him at the lowest cap. Well now he has the keys and the leverage and it's just business to get paid like a top goalie in the NHL.

Who blinks first? My guess is the Bruins when they see Korpi in net and start the season with a losing record in the first 10 games. Boston also has no goalie to replace him if they sour the relationship.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1833117853454618750

 

[Nothingbutglass]

A) Its Boston, they dont overpay anyone. Woll would have beat him if he started the series and didnt get injured. Im not paying him over $5M.

Woll would seize up and fall over clutching his back with some weird back injury and never be seen again.

 

[darrylsittler27]

But outplayed Swayman in every game he did play. One year is a fluke. Lost to Florida, real good . $5M. X 2 years. Show me.

Woll would seize up and fall over clutching his back with some weird back injury and never be seen again.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

But outplayed Swayman in every game he did play. One year is a fluke. Lost to Florida, real good . $5M. X 2 years. Show me.

Too bad he was made of glass or you could have had more than a 3 game sample size. Oh well. Matt Murray is back

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

100%. Too me the obvious comp is Saros.

Juuse Saros age 23, 24, 25 seasons:
18-19 - 17-10-2 / S% .915 / GAA 2.62
19-20 - 17-12-4 / S% .914 / GAA 2.70
20-21 - 21-11-1 / S% .927 / GAA 2.28 [Votes: Hart 11; Vezina 6]

Jeremy Swayman age 23, 24, 25 seasons:
21-22 - 23-14-3 / S% .914 / GAA 2.421
22-23 - 24-6-4 / S% .920 / GAA 2.27
20-21 - 25-10-8 / S% .916 / GAA 2.53 [Votes: Byng 44; Vezina 7]

Saros at the same age with similar stats and splitting time took a 4x5m contract extension worth 6.13% of the cap or about an AAV of 5.4m in today's cap.

Saros then showed he could be a solid starter and was able to sign a long term contract extension worth 7.74m.

My guess is this whole argument is predicated on Swayman's camp stating "look what Saros, Hellebuyck, Bobrovsky, Vasilevskey are right now and look what they get!" And the Boston camp pointing to Saros of 2021 stating "this is almost a direct comp."

Vast difference between those two contracts so it'll be interesting to see what they work out.

Yeah it’s wild dude wants to be a top paid goalie in the league all well coming off an rfa deal. I get self confidence and all that. But prove you’re a top goalie before asking for it.

I love Sway and think he’s a very good goalie, but guys out of his mind

 

[darrylsittler27]

Too bad he was made of glass or you could have had more than a 3 game sample size. Oh well. Matt Murray is back

All I'm saying is some of the numbers won't happen in Boston. He has a small sample size that doesn't warrant that much. He isn't Rask.

 

[Eddie Munson]

Demko, Helly's last contract, Shesterkin all similar kinds of deals as Saros.

I'm not looking at what Saros is paid now. I'm saying at the same age as Swayman, he was a goalie with similar stats, who was also platooned, and had also Vezina votes going into his RFA contract. They signed him to 4x5m as a "prove you can be the starter" kind of deal. He went on to continue putting up great numbers but starting ~80% of the games for the Preds the next 3 years and then got 7.74m.

Swayman understandably wants to not deal with the "prove it" deal and be paid now. While I don't necessarily mind him being paid now, pointing to comps of the top-5 paid goalies in the league as a benchmark seems ridiculous. If he wants that then take a 2 year deal that walks him to free agency and then go for the big money. But something in the 6.5-7.5m range now seems appropriate.

I get the trepidation from both parties here. Let's see who blinks first.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I'm not looking at what Saros is paid now. I'm saying at the same age as Swayman, he was a goalie with similar stats, who was also platooned, and had also Vezina votes going into his RFA contract. They signed him to 4x5m as a "prove you can be the starter" kind of deal. He went on to continue putting up great numbers but starting ~80% of the games for the Preds the next 3 years and then got 7.74m.

Swayman understandably wants to not deal with the "prove it" deal and be paid now. While I don't necessarily mind him being paid now, pointing to comps of the top-5 paid goalies in the league as a benchmark seems ridiculous. If he wants that then take a 2 year deal that walks him to free agency and then go for the big money. But something in the 6.5-7.5m range now seems appropriate.

I get the trepidation from both parties here. Let's see who blinks first.

I just don't see Boston coughing up big bucks for him yet. Bridge deal, Boston discount.

 

[Strangle]

Vasilevskiy just came off a 44 win season and then won the Vezina a month before signing that contract in 2019.

Bobrovsky had two Vezinas (14 & 17) and was lights out for Columbus putting up some of his best numbers in a contract year leading up to his contract which he signed as a FA in 2019.

Hellebuyck won a Vezina in 2020 and has put up All-Star level numbers year after year before signing his extension in 2023.

I think Swayman will be talked about similarly to these guys at some point but comparing him to these players now is putting the cart before the horse.

Each of them had multiple years of All-Star level stats, at least one Vezina, and this tiny little thing Swayman has just accomplished this year which is being considered the de facto starter.

I think the guys you listed and their resumes are reasons why the B’s look at Hellebuyck and argue that Swayman hasn’t passed him yet so why should he be paid more than that guy when the ink on Hellebuyck’s contract is barely even dry.

I understand, but I don’t think you realize that you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. Trying to hand swayman his flowers by saying ‘someday’ he will be in the conversation with the best goalies in the world, but insinuating that he should sign for $6.2m for 8 because he hasn’t won a vezina yet.

He has trophies, Jennings I’m pretty sure? First goalie tandem in history to have a 40 win and a 20 win goalie, he’s relatively young.

Swayman would be an idiot to sign for anything less than $9 and I wouldn’t be surprised if he thinks he’s going to sign long term for $10+

I could be wildly off base, I’m trying to read the tea leaves here. But he is a young premier goalie, and those guys get paid. Him not signi by yet tells me bruins are lowballing him and he wants a truck of money

Yikes........................11M seems way off. I thought I read he was asking for 9.5M and we all know that's code for 8-8.5M and that's where he will probably end up..............Bruins may move into the 7.5M neighborhood also.
50-50 crapshoot right now guys.

I got laughed at when I called him unproven earlier this summer in the “predict the Atlantic standings thread”

But all of a sudden when the talk is about money, after everyone convinced me I was wrong about him being unproven, want to say that he hasn’t earned anything yet

This website sometimes, man lol

 

[StewieP19]

Pretty interesting case.
Boston need Swayman and can't start the season without their no 1 goalie.
Does Boston want to sign and trade due to the hard negociation ?
If yes not a lot of team can afford it in cap space and also boston will asking a no 1 goalie and more.

 

[RickyLafleur]

Sway trying to get an NHL 24 Be a GM RFA deal, he can try but it'll be closer to an 8x8 when its all said and done.

 

[wintersej]

I'm not looking at what Saros is paid now. I'm saying at the same age as Swayman, he was a goalie with similar stats, who was also platooned, and had also Vezina votes going into his RFA contract. They signed him to 4x5m as a "prove you can be the starter" kind of deal. He went on to continue putting up great numbers but starting ~80% of the games for the Preds the next 3 years and then got 7.74m.

Swayman understandably wants to not deal with the "prove it" deal and be paid now. While I don't necessarily mind him being paid now, pointing to comps of the top-5 paid goalies in the league as a benchmark seems ridiculous. If he wants that then take a 2 year deal that walks him to free agency and then go for the big money. But something in the 6.5-7.5m range now seems appropriate.

I get the trepidation from both parties here. Let's see who blinks first.

We are saying the same thing. All those guys had similar deals between 4-6 years and 5-6.5m in todays dollars depending on the term at the same point in their age/contract status profile.

 

[Eddie Munson]

I understand, but I don’t think you realize that you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. Trying to hand swayman his flowers by saying ‘someday’ he will be in the conversation with the best goalies in the world, but insinuating that he should sign for $6.2m for 8 because he hasn’t won a vezina yet.

He has trophies, Jennings I’m pretty sure? First goalie tandem in history to have a 40 win and a 20 win goalie, he’s relatively young.

Swayman would be an idiot to sign for anything less than $9 and I wouldn’t be surprised if he thinks he’s going to sign long term for $10+

I could be wildly off base, I’m trying to read the tea leaves here. But he is a young premier goalie, and those guys get paid. Him not signi by yet tells me bruins are lowballing him and he wants a truck of money



I got laughed at when I called him unproven earlier this summer in the “predict the Atlantic standings thread”

But all of a sudden when the talk is about money, after everyone convinced me I was wrong about him being unproven, want to say that he hasn’t earned anything yet

This website sometimes, man lol

I’m not entirely sure you do understand.

You look to other goalies and their stats and accolades when they sign a contract to understand what got them to that number. I then found someone who was a direct comp in Saros and said this should be the offer from the Bruins but I understand if they go 6.5-7.5 because of the position they’re in and the fact I think they are very confident he will be in the same conversation as those top guys some day.

Not sure where you got 6.2m x 8???

A Jennings Trophy? Versus a Vezina? Not even close to similar accolades.

And no, I’m not saying he needs a Vezina to get a big contract. But I’d like to see him start more that 50% of the season before giving him top-5 money. I think that’s fair.

 

[Strangle]

I’m not entirely sure you do understand.

You look to other goalies and their stats and accolades when they sign a contract to understand what got them to that number. I then found someone who was a direct comp in Saros and said this should be the offer from the Bruins but I understand if they go 6.5-7.5 because of the position they’re in and the fact I think they are very confident he will be in the same conversation as those top guys some day.

Not sure where you got 6.2m x 8???

A Jennings Trophy? Versus a Vezina? Not even close to similar accolades.

And no, I’m not saying he needs a Vezina to get a big contract. But I’d like to see him start more that 50% of the season before giving him top-5 money. I think that’s fair.

Ya I had the same thinking in the Atlantic predictions thread.

I read $6.2 somewhere in here, I can’t remember exactly where

We will see how it goes, I’ve been on both sides of the fence here.

When I was predicting the bruins standing in the division, I said they might struggle because swaymans unproven and no one knows if he can carry a full workload.

Then I was convinced that I was wrong and he’s a stud.

Now I’m saying he’s a stud and should be paid like one, but I’m being disagreed with saying he is unproven.

So I could (and have) go either way lol

 

[PromisedLand]

Swayman is easily worth 14 AAV Bruins. Do it!!!!

 

[Habs Halifax]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1833117853454618750

That is typically the case. Fans/media like to spin things and it's getting worse. Then you got the gullible ones who move all in with it.

It's taking longer than expected but this is a case of the Bruins being frugal and Swayman wanting to cash in because he is trending well. They will sort it out

 

[Breeze 44]

I can't believe it's gone on this long...

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

I love Swayman but at the end of the day, I'm a Bruins fan first - over any individual player.

Sick of how long this has gone on already and I'm dreading it being a circus distraction during training camp. If his asks are unreasonable, move him for the best offer you can get and roll with Korpisalo/Bussi. Or, let him hold out and make a public statement saying that the team has moved on without him.

No one player is worth derailing an entire season for.

 

[Burnaby Schmo]

Damn, I have Swayman in the Demko/Sorokin tier of goalies, but we all know the cap is increasing. If I were Boston, I'd be careful here, because he may be there best piece behind Pasta.

Good luck to both sides getting it done.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

Damn, I have Swayman in the Demko/Sorokin tier of goalies, but we all know the cap is increasing. If I were Boston, I'd be careful here, because he may be there best piece behind Pasta.

Good luck to both sides getting it done.

The Sorokin who posted a 2.99gaa and 909s% then lost his job to Varly last year?

 

[wintersej]

I love Swayman but at the end of the day, I'm a Bruins fan first - over any individual player.

Sick of how long this has gone on already and I'm dreading it being a circus distraction during training camp. If his asks are unreasonable, move him for the best offer you can get and roll with Korpisalo/Bussi. Or, let him hold out and make a public statement saying that the team has moved on without him.

No one player is worth derailing an entire season for.

McAvoy signed on September 15th as an RFA and Pasta signed on September 14th as an RFA.

I suspect it will happen in the next week.

 

[Dog]

McAvoy signed on September 15th as an RFA and Pasta signed on September 14th as an RFA.

I suspect it will happen in the next week.

I think Bruins will have no choices because who could fill that role without costing to much in trade.