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Anaheim (20M Cap left)?No they wouldn't. Who is signing up to massively overpay a goalie with a career high 44 starts and only 132 GP?
SJ (10M Cap left)?
Columbus (24M Cap left)?
Anaheim (20M Cap left)?No they wouldn't. Who is signing up to massively overpay a goalie with a career high 44 starts and only 132 GP?
Anaheim (20M Cap left)?
SJ (10M Cap left)?
Columbus (24M Cap left)?
That's a no. We're good thanks.Bruins should trade Swayman to Ottawa for Ullmark, and he can become the next John Klingberg after he posts Korpisalo-like stats and wonders where is big pay day went.
Yah 13M is crazy, however, if Boston is not willing to go north of 8M, those teams can definitely offer 10M-11M a year. Statistically, he is still one of the league's best granted with a shorter sample size of work.Again, having cap space and being willing to pay 9-10M for a goalie with 41 starts is different. This is the problem we have with Marner. Lots of places who could use a superstar and have the cap, how many are willing to pay him 13?
He's basically asking the Bruins to take ALL the risk. He's a good goaltender but in no way does he have the resume to make such demands. I know, I know, that's not how it works and players can do what they want, but he may soon find himself playing for a team with a much worse defensive structure in place and no intention of signing him long term.
Think of all the utterly mediocre players at other positions who make around $8 million/year on long term deals: Hertl, Dubois, Caufield, Hronek, Kyrou, Norris, etc. Swayman is far more valuable to the Bruins than any of those players are to their teams. Why should he accept contracts on par with theirs? Just because he's a goalie? Add to that the cap going up and he's well within reason to ask for $10 million.
They might look for a trade at this point. He would have a great return.
Well you are a Leaf fan so you must be an expert on overpaying.No they wouldn't. Who is signing up to massively overpay a goalie with a career high 44 starts and only 132 GP?
you need to do a better job at hiding the bad part of your offerWith emotions creeping in, and the airing of dirty laundry, how far away from a trade request are we?
How about Josh Anderson + Montembeault + 2025 1st?
Well you are a Leaf fan so you must be an expert on overpaying.
Again, having cap space and being willing to pay 9-10M for a goalie with 41 starts is different. This is the problem we have with Marner. Lots of places who could use a superstar and have the cap, how many are willing to pay him 13?
Marner level bad? What level of fear am I looking at?That's why you should be scared I see this ending badly for the Bruins
True, but the rewards for the Bruins of Sway playing better than a 9 mil goalie aren't nearly as beneficial as the risks of Swayman suddenly becoming, say a 3-4 million dollar goalie, which is to say someone who's not a starter. You see it happen way more that goalies don't live up to their contracts than you do goalies that do. Martin Jones, Matt Murray, Lehner, Campbell, Cal Peterson etc. How many actually do live up to their contracts? Vasi?Yeah, in any long term deal, the team "takes all the risk"... as the only real risk the player takes, is "could I have gotten more?"
However, the team also gets a lot of the potential reward.
Let's use a theoretical $9m x 8 contract as an example.
Swayman obviously believes himself to be a top 5 goalie in the next year or two. Let's say that works out. If you're Boston, you now have your goaltending solidifed with a guy through his prime, likely carrying no "bad years at the end". He'd be locked up at $9m, in an environment where Shesterkin gets $11m+, and where the cap is eclipsing $100m easily.
There's a potential reward for Boston at $9m x 8. It's not the "optimal" reward for their compeition window which would probably be $6m x 4 or maybe $7m x 5... but there is sitll a reward in it.
The other piece for Swayman to remember... no matter how much negotiating he does, he will not get any form of trade protection for the first 2 years.... if you're signing an 8 year deal, the financials need to be right, because you don't have control over what happens a year from now.
Blame who you want but I remember hearing he was very upset with them explaining their reasons and the whole thing was messy. They should have tried to get around arbitration then.Swayman took the Bruins to arbitration.
All those other players were established elite goalies. Swayman is not. Not yet. Period. 7m x 2 year would make sense and carry him to UFA. If he doesn’t want to sign an 8x8, Id let him sit at home too.The issue is because Bobrovsky got 10M 5 years ago with a Cap headed north of 100M in the next couple of years. 10% of future cap is not a horrible ask.
The only other comparable is not a comparable because Hellebuyck chose term over $ and he was 30 when he signed his 8 year deal.
Premium market with full leverage for Swayman. 8x8 just isn't a realistic offer from the Bruins. Should have been around 9-9.5 to start and probably winding up at 8x10.
Marner level bad? What level of fear am I looking at?
Nah. Korpi will be fine and now we have $8 million in space. Think positive. Its not like he is a UFA already making $11 looking for a raise in his walk year.The end of the culture of taking less for one. Also most likely going to either cave to the player or lose a season if he holds out like Nylander did.
Nah. Korpi will be fine and now we have $8 million in space. Think positive. Its not like he is a UFA already making $11 looking for a raise in his walk year.
Hard to not ask for top 5 goalie money when he's actually a top 5 goalie by all metrics. So if the absolute bare minimum is 8.5...Boston's being cheap.All those other players were established elite goalies. Swayman is not. Not yet. Period. 7m x 2 year would make sense and carry him to UFA. If he doesn’t want to sign an 8x8, Id let him sit at home too.