GDT: The Boys are Back | Utah @ Columbus | 7 PM EST

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Isnt that the second OT game we've lost by all 3 guys selling out on offense?

Fantilli and KJ are dynamic together, but they gotta start putting the puck in the net. Vronk is really slowing them down. He seems gassed. Might benefit him to bump him down a line when the Calvary comes back.

Provorov had an awesome game outside of that wet fart of an ending. Keep flip flopping on keeping him or not. I feel like Kurls and Danny farked that up more than him.

We have to have a better option than JJ. He's so brutal out there. Bring up a kid at this point, why not. Cant be any worse. Mateychuk looked good, the play where he blasted up the ice was nice. I didnt know he had that gear.

One away from the break, thank god.

If they decide to trade Provorov because they can't agree to resign him on money and term I get it but there is literally nobody else on this team that can do his role. He gets a lot of shit but he's not as bad as people say and he's just a horse who can eat minutes. This defense will be considerably weaker without him if they don't acquire an immediate replacement.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

If they decide to trade Provorov because they can't agree to resign him on money and term I get it but there is literally nobody else on this team that can do his role. He gets a lot of shit but he's not as bad as people say and he's just a horse who can eat minutes. This defense will be considerably weaker without him if they don't acquire an immediate replacement.

Nah I agree. It's just the temptation of the return. I think his durability gets way undervalued around here.

The other thing though, do we plan to forever play him on his off side? Porty alluded to him not loving it but not complaining either on his podcast recently.

 

[Fred Glover]

I get we’re missing bodies but as the home team you can’t put your 4th liners out there against their 3 best players. Unfortunate break but just can’t coach like that 3 on 3. Way too much time and space for skill players against our grind it out type players

What are the circumstances? How long was Fantilli’s last shift? Is he going to be double shifted? With the injuries to the front line, Marchy, Monny, even Jenner I can’t fault the coach, he is looking at who just played, the minutes they played along with matchups. Z in the box with a penalty, then coming off a shift, no I don’t fault the coach at all

 

[majormajor]

If they decide to trade Provorov because they can't agree to resign him on money and term I get it but there is literally nobody else on this team that can do his role. He gets a lot of shit but he's not as bad as people say and he's just a horse who can eat minutes. This defense will be considerably weaker without him if they don't acquire an immediate replacement.

Like many of us I go back and forth on whether to extend Provorov. But his durability is a big plus, no doubt. Solid player.

Man I would love to get Gavrikov back. Hopefully Marchy is whispering in his ear.

 

[Cowumbus]

Probably get the puck up to them, for starters. So then they don’t both have to hit a hard line stop at the blue line

Go rewatch the play. What do you want him to do? Pass it through Keller? Wild thing is he does pass it and Kuraly and Danforth both watch it go right between them.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Go rewatch the play. What do you want him to do? Pass it through Keller? Wild thing is he does pass it and Kuraly and Danforth both watch it go right between them.

upon review, he actually did try to pass it. He just whiffed very badly. So yeah, still on Provorov.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Isnt that the second OT game we've lost by all 3 guys selling out on offense?

Fantilli and KJ are dynamic together, but they gotta start putting the puck in the net. Vronk is really slowing them down. He seems gassed. Might benefit him to bump him down a line when the Calvary comes back.

Provorov had an awesome game outside of that wet fart of an ending. Keep flip flopping on keeping him or not. I feel like Kurls and Danny farked that up more than him.

We have to have a better option than JJ. He's so brutal out there. Bring up a kid at this point, why not. Cant be any worse. Mateychuk looked good, the play where he blasted up the ice was nice. I didnt know he had that gear.

One away from the break, thank god.

I totally disagree on your Voronkov assessment. The line as a whole ge eats the most offensive chances and Voronkov had the most SOG. Now if all you want is to se this line score off the rush and not play any cycle game, then by all means take him off. But that’s not a winning formula.

Voronkov and KJ can cycle and both help Fantilli diversify his game by forcing more controlled OZone play. Of course with Monahan on the top line, the cycle game is SOP and why Monahan with 10-86 was such a dominant 5 on 5 line.

 

[hockey17jp]

Absolutely insane decision to put Danforth and Kuraly out in 3v3 OT. Basically a game ending decision. Pascal Vincent-esque.

Let's put our two all hustle - no skill guys out there in a 100% skill and possession based situation. Great idea!

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Absolutely insane decision to put Danforth and Kuraly out in 3v3 OT. Basically a game ending decision. Pascal Vincent-esque.

Let's put our two all hustle - no skill guys out there in a 100% skill and possession based situation. Great idea!

Kuraly was out there for faceoff purposes. Also, they literally won puck possession and would have had a scoring chance (a very good one) if Provorov didn’t miss a 3 inch backhand pass

 

[Forepar]

I totally disagree on your Voronkov assessment. The line as a whole ge eats the most offensive chances and Voronkov had the most SOG. Now if all you want is to se this line score off the rush and not play any cycle game, then by all means take him off. But that’s not a winning formula.

Voronkov and KJ can cycle and both help Fantilli diversify his game by forcing more controlled OZone play. Of course with Monahan on the top line, the cycle game is SOP and why Monahan with 10-86 was such a dominant 5 on 5 line.

Agree that Voronkov is not the issue. I think Voronkov and KJ would be fine together. But
Fantilli as the C just isn't a good fit for those two - YET, but it's coming!

Agree that Marchenko-Monahan-Voronkov line was and will be dominant - Monahan's cycle game and overall approach is less frenetic (though still all-out) and thus suits Voronkov's game much better than Fantilli's frenzied game, whether there is a conditioning issue with Voronkov or not.

Fantilli skates the game fast almost all the time. I want him to play fast, and keep the energy level while at the same time learning how to better control the pace of his game. Kind of like a change of pace move by a shooting guard in basketball - Fantill just takes it hard to the net at every opportunity. His frenzied style creates more chances off the rush, but it does not lend itself to puck possession - and thus doesn't match up with Voronkov's game. KJ can keep up with the Fantilli frenzy most of the time, but KJ's game is better-suited to a game in which pace is varied, sometimes fast, oftentimes slower, so that KJ's skill in reading the ice and finding the open area with a pass can be amplified.

Fantilli will get there. He's a young colt still. It's a hard skill to learn - how to play FAST and HARD, yet under control. He looks and plays like he wants to just run through and over every defender. That doesn't happen often enough at the NHL level. I still want him to do that some, but to best utilize linemates, he needs to do it less and find the seams that exist for highly-skilled players. I don't want him to slow down his energy, or be "just like Monahan...." or anyone else. He will find it, he's making strides with that, just not all the way there.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Absolutely insane decision to put Danforth and Kuraly out in 3v3 OT. Basically a game ending decision. Pascal Vincent-esque.

Let's put our two all hustle - no skill guys out there in a 100% skill and possession based situation. Great idea!

Putting Danforth out there was indefensible. His pretty lucky goal earlier in the game aside, he's shown almost zero offensive ability for most of this season.

I've been a huge backer of his. He played for the Cincinnati Cyclones (I'm a long time STH with that team) and I'm thrilled that he's stuck in the NHL this long. But he's an offensively uncreative fourth liner who hasn't taken advantage of his many opportunities to play up the line up.

Provorov's goof up notwithstanding, Justin Danforth should be stapled to the bench at 3 on 3. He's simply not good enough to be out there. Kuraly's marginal extra skill on faceoffs isn't enough to justify his 3 on 3 presence either.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Kuraly at least had a really good third period. Plus the top line had to be gassed. Danforth though, tough seeing him out there.

 

[TingleBiscuit]

Putting Danforth out there was indefensible. His pretty lucky goal earlier in the game aside, he's shown almost zero offensive ability for most of this season.

Kuraly at least had a really good third period. Plus the top line had to be gassed. Danforth though, tough seeing him out there.

The zebras sending Dean all sorts of signals that they want us losing has clearly gotten in his head. He knew we needed to win that faceoff, and knew the refs knew it as well. He expected the refs to toss Kuraly arbitrarily, and wanted the most capable, most experienced, most disruptive back-up on ice. Danforth had scored in the game, and is very good at using his size and stick length to win battles in tight spaces.

While it's true that 3v3 is the least tight-space situation, Kuraly is the type who can (and will) create them. The way play opened up into rapid north-south shooting gallery-style play ran counter to our strategy in that moment (safe to assume from the line makeup), and I don't think anyone had a premium Vanacek primary assist with an extremely fortunate ricochet-into-breakaway on their bingo card.

Dean wanted them to jam it up along the boards and take it to a shootout- the venue wherein the refs have the least-possible influence on game outcome. His strategy evidenced sensitivity to the league's vested interest in CBJ losses during the month of February, which were communicated clearly to him by the Dallas game calls/no-calls/goal reviews sequencing, then reinforced by the Sevo +2 in this game.

It isn't "our turn" yet, but Dean is a winner. He's not going to let the league do its thing easily, and he had to adapt his approach to optimize the likelihood of a positive outcome when his troops were outnumbered.

He chose an asymmetric battle strategy when faced with an invincible/superior force opposition (the refs). I applaud the choice.

 

[majormajor]

What are we upset with concretely on that shift, like what was the error or mistake that Danforth made? He and Kuraly were in position for a 2 on 0, we can't complain about that, and he wasn't the one who turned the puck over. He has a speed burst and knows how to cover his man (unlike perhaps LDBB), so I don't mind him being out there. Not that he would be my choice, I haven't evaluated all of the options Deano had, but calling it some monumental incredible incredible INCREDIBLY MONUMENTAL travesty is certainly silly.

 

[koteka]

Probably get the puck up to them, for starters. So then they don’t both have to hit a hard line stop at the blue line

I am wondering if Provorov yelled “Leeroy Jenkins” on that play.

 

[megandaniele]

What are the circumstances? How long was Fantilli’s last shift? Is he going to be double shifted? With the injuries to the front line, Marchy, Monny, even Jenner I can’t fault the coach, he is looking at who just played, the minutes they played along with matchups. Z in the box with a penalty, then coming off a shift, no I don’t fault the coach at all

Yeah I get what you’re saying. I was at the game on the opposite end so it was hard to see what happened. Watching the replay just a crazy play. Provy whiffed so that didn’t help. Just thought maybe silly, LDBB, or voronkov maybe even though he looked slow all game. Now that the emotions are gone, I don’t hate it lol. In Dean we trust, I apologize Dean