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norrisnick said:
People keep saying all. And that just isn't true.

If someone that reports to you f***s something of this magnitude up and you 1. didn't know about it or 2. didn't care to follow up. There ought to be repercussions. Letting the kids take over while you keep getting paid isn't repercussions.
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Anyone that was involved in any meaningful way was fired. Care to elaborate how not?
 
Sasha Orlov said:
Not much animosity toward the Blackhawks about this for me, but the league definitely screwed up big time

Look at the punishment the New Orleans Saints had after the bounty scandal

Blackhawks covered up rape and the NHL basically wagged their finger at them
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smh
 
Pez68 said:
Not really. But continue on your quest for VENGEANCE. Because that's all this bitching about the Hawks right now is. People are angry that Bedard will be a Hawk. This is all just jealous children lashing out in anger.
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No anger here. My initial post was saying I get it. Bedard as a Hawk versus a BJ or a Duck is good for the NHL, its owners, employees, and fans. It's too bad that the lottery was rigged and it's shameful that the Blackhawks were punished less than Arizona was for a more serious offense, including allowing Aldrich to work with high school boys because they were afraid to call attention to his predatory habits.
 
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BHawk21 said:
100% agree. Everyone was fired because of this. Mcdonaugh should have gone to HR 2 weeks earlier. He didnt. Once going to HR they gave Alderich the opportunity to resign or go into a full investigation.

It should have been a full investigation full stop but from the report it does not appear that most of the information hadnt come out yet. There seems to be very conflicting reports on what was told to Jim Gray (licensed counselor) by Beach and what Jim Gray told to McDonough.
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ChiHawks10 said:
I think if people would read the investigation's report, they'd see things somewhat differently, but it's much easier to just scream and holler without putting in any work to have an informed response.

There was a meeting about a coach "making sexual advances" immediately after the Hawks won game 4 in the WCF against the Sharks, at the stadium(or the hotel), I can't remember offhand right now which place. And the President of the organization stated "I'll handle it." I would think most in the organization assume at that point that it's handled.

Knowing who John McDouchebag is as a person... it's not shocking that he did nothing at that point. Which is why his was the first head to roll.

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Good posts, thanks.
 
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BHawk21 said:
The President of the Blackhawks.


They sent a glowing review for his work and he moved on to another team. You dont know this?
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Where would you get that idea? The report states Aldrich got the job at the HS via a relative already working for the team. The favorable review mentioned in the report was reported from the University of Miami as coming from Notre Dame.
 
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Prosecutors: Former Bills punter Matt Araiza wasn't present during alleged gang rape

A recently released 200-plus-page transcript details exculpatory evidence in the case against Matt Araiza.
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Prosecutors: Former Bills punter Matt Araiza wasn't present during alleged gang rape​

A recently released 200-plus-page transcript details exculpatory evidence in the case vs. Matt Araiza​


Cautionary statement for those who believe everything that plaintiffs attorney's allege. Not shockingly, they will exaggerate, tell half truths or make flat out misleading statements in order to maximize their leverage when these things are ultimately tried or most likely settled.

Not saying Beach wasn't a victim but I wouldn't be surprised if less people in the Blackhawks knew what was going on then what we were lead to believe.
 
Saga of the Elk said:
No anger here. My initial post was saying I get it. Bedard as a Hawk versus a BJ or a Duck is good for the NHL, its owners, employees, and fans. It's too bad that the lottery was rigged and it's shameful that the Blackhawks were punished less than Arizona was for a more serious offense, including allowing Aldrich to work with high school boys because they were afraid to call attention to his predatory habits.
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Rigged. Lol.
 
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Just lock this thing. Nothing is coming out of this other than butthurt fans who remember the Hawks dynasty clowning them for 10+ years expressing AFTER THEY LOST THE LOTTERY their deep deep deep concern for the Beach situation which they haven’t mentioned for at least a year. And was handled legally and by the NHL to where nobody was asking for picks to be removed. if the Hawks had not won the lottery nobody would be commenting on this subject. This revisionist shit is so contrived, old, much made up, and dreams of taking the first pick from the Hawks it is honestly showing the pettiness of individuals not fan bases. Get over it and move on. Or better yet, call the NHL office and complain to Gary. Tell me how that call goes. Lol!
 
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Saga of the Elk said:
Oops, apparently an official statement indicated there was "no evidence" of rigging and no further comment was necessary.
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I love conspiracy theorists, because they have no logical or critical ability to actually think their theories through. Please, explain to everyone how this rigging works. Ernst and Young are good with it? All the other owners are good with it? The players? Lol

Be smarter.
 
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BHawk21 said:
Yes and Mcdonaugh reported in to HR 3 weeks too late. Once they did Aldrich was let go. Anyone who knew about Aldrich trying to hook up with Beach for those 3 weeks is fired and not working in hockey.
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That’s fine. I’m not saying nothing was done. I’m saying the NHL didn’t do enough to punish the Hawks for the failure by McDonough et al.
 
RedHawkDown said:
That’s fine. I’m not saying nothing was done. I’m saying the NHL didn’t do enough to punish the Hawks for the failure by McDonough et al.
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So you wanted them to take last years 1st away when they figured out the depth of the crime? Or this years because they prospect is better?
 
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norrisnick said:
If sweeping the incident under a rug had nothing to do with the competitive environment... why did it need to be swept under the rug? I'm sure being in the middle of the playoffs didn't factor into that at all.
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Because professional organizations don’t actually have to drop everything and issue a mea culpa to the media if there’s a sex scandal within their lines. That is called virtue signalling and doesn’t actually do anything to help victims.

We’ve been post #MeToo years now and somehow none of the language about respecting the privacy and decisions of victims ever seems to matter when people want to drag an organization or culture through the mud. Sexual misconduct is a heinous crime, but the world doesn’t stop spinning for everyone within a ten mile radius when it happens. I remember the language 15 years ago being not to overreact, lest the fear of disrupting their lives further discourage victims from coming forward.

Clearly parts of this were handled badly within the Blackhawks organization and steps should be taken to ensure better outcomes in the future, but making a circus out of the situation is the exact last thing that should be happening. The only reason you even want to know about this sort of thing is so you can show everyone you stand with victims. I’m proud of you for that conviction, but showing doesn’t actually mean anything at the end of the day.
 
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Pez68 said:
I love conspiracy theorists, because they have no logical or critical ability to actually think their theories through. Please, explain to everyone how this rigging works. Ernst and Young are good with it? All the other owners are good with it? The players? Lol

Be smarter.
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Are you suggesting that the other owners would have preferred Bedard end up in Columbus?

The players are seeing the same thing we are. But they too would no doubt prefer more, rather than less, revenue.

"Follow the money" isn't an invitation to a conspiracy theory. It's actually how business works.

Speaking of invitations, check out "The Smartest Guys in the Room." Enron was the greatest company in the world: their auditors said so!
 
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Chelios said:
Since this seems to be coming up a lot again since the draft lottery, along with rumours of teams being interested in Bowman and Q, I thought it might be useful to have a thread to discuss the situation. In every thread that it comes up, I am quite honestly amazed by the amount of misinformation that is out there on the subject, and I am genuinely interested in what people think happened, especially those who haven't been following it closely or haven't read the Jenner and Block Report.

To give a little context, I am a lifelong Blackhawk fan, since long before the Toews/Kane era. When the news of the Kyle beach incident came out, I was quite frankly disgusted with the entire situation. It seems pretty clear based on everything that came out that Aldridge is a sexual predator, and should be viewed as so. Also, I believe Kyle Beach, and what he describes happened to him is something nobody should have to deal with. I eagerly read the Jenner and Block report when it came out to better understand what happened and who was responsible. After reading the report, I was quite frankly a bit confused as to the continued hatred and accusations being directed at people who, according to the evidence we have, don't really deserve it.

There seems to be a few common things thrown out there that I just don't seem to hold up to what we know (so far). If there is something I am missing, or misunderstanding, I would genuinely like to know what it is. I am more than happy to change my view as more information becomes available.

1) What they "knew" at the time. To me this is the biggest thing that people seem to be getting wrong. It seems most people are conflating what we know now (IE what Beach has accused Aldridge of doing), to what the organization knew then. We know now that, if Beach's story is accurate, he was raped. Full stop. There is no evidence, however, that anybody within the organization were aware of anything close to that at the time. In the report, the incident was described to management as some combination of unwanted sexual advances and "trying to get under the sheets" that happened outside of the work environment. Thats it. People seem to be acting that they were told that Aldridge raped Beach and they just decided not to act on it.

2) The Blackhawks provided references for Aldridge, which he used to help get employment after he left the organization. This is simply not true, and is laid out very clearly in the report.

3) The players on the team "knew" at the time. Again, it's important to define what they "knew". There is no evidence that they knew anything close to what Beach would later allege. Even Sopel, one of only two players outside of Beach who claim that players "knew", says that all they "knew" was that Aldridge wanted to "touch penises". Boynton, the other player that has claimed that everyone "knew" could not provide any details on what led him to believe that everyone "knew". It is also important to note, that none of the other 12 players interviewed had any knowledge of the incident at the time (6 report never hearing anything about it until the news broke, the other 6 claim only to have rumours of the incident at training camp the next year). So 12 of the 14 players interviewed dispute the fact that the players were aware of the incident of the time and the two players that dispute that could provide no details other than Aldridge "wanted to touch penises"

4) The players were taunting Beach. Beach recalls being called derogatory words at the following training camp, as well as being asked if "he missed his boyfriend Brad". None of the players interviewed recall hearing any taunting. This, of course, doesn't mean it didn't happen, but certainly suggests that it wasn't a rampant thing throughout training camp. Logically, I find it hard to believe that established NHL players would be taunting a prospect that is of no real threat to them. It seems to me much more likely, and this has been speculated, that it was more likely Black Aces who may have been more likely to be competing with Beach for spots and also more likely to have heard something about the incident.

5) Beach's teammates (IE Kane/Toews and co) failed him. This is another thing that seems to come up time and time again, especially with regards to Toews. First of all, the report details the extent to which the black Aces are separated from the active roster during playoff time. I was actually unaware prior to reading the report of just how separate the two groups were. The idea that this was a teammate that was in the trenches with players on that playoff run is just simply false. Not only was Beach not "teammates" with them during that playoff run, the degree to which the two groups of players were separated makes it much less likely that the active players had any idea of what was going on, and probably explains why 12 of the 14 players interviewed reported not knowing anything about the incident at the time.
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Naaaah.

If no one knew, and they "knew", how do you back up your black acws theory. How could they know and taunt him if no one knew?? They knew.
This looks A W F U L on the whole organisation but also hockey as well, a very very toxic enviorment. You dont taunt a victim. Neither NHLer or not. And I bet some NHLer actually did, because "its the culture in hockey to swing around those slurs".
 
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If the Hawks were to lose a 1st round pick from this shit show, it should've been last year when all this stuff was going on. If you are really mad at the Blackhawks, I recommend you delete your twitter and find a calmness in your life. Terrible things happen in life and the best way to deal with them is discipline the ones at fault and find a more positive light in life.

I'm just happy the Hawks are creating a stronger culture by cleaning house and roster. The face of our franchise now is that of Bedard and Davidson. Two people who have nothing to do with any of this crap and are looking to change our organization in a good way.
 
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