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but people now seem to be more upset because they have a talented player coming and not about the Beach situation. Seems weird especially because people have not followed along closely enough to understand how complex the situation was.
It's not complex. It's simple.

A bad organization that did bad things, is rewarded with pretty much the best thing you could ever dream to be rewarded with.


It's really not hard to understand. You can try and conflate it with details, but it's a very very simple reason.



Try to imagine what it would be like if Graham James won the lottery.
We don't need to dig into details to be pissed off about that.
 
Again, your conflating what is being reported after the fact with what was known at the time. According to Jim Gary, the only details Beach shared with him at the time were:

"Gary recalled a conversation with John Doe on May 23, 2010 during which Gary obtained limited, yet still very troubling information from John Doe that Gary believed to be true: that Aldrich was pressuring John Doe to have sex with him"

I am no lawyer, but pressuring someone to have sex with you without actually committing the act is not criminal as far as I know.
So, at best, he was committing sexual harassment of an employee.
 
Panthers were punished harder for it. Wirtz gets a pocket change fine. Crybaby chi fans crawling out of the woodwork, when pushed, start coughing up, "if Beach is to be believed." lmao

The NHL punished the Panthers because Q was a piece of shit, and resigned on account of that behavior? Sound logic. :laugh:

And not a single Hawks fan has said "If Beach is to be believed." that I've seen.
 
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If the allegation was of a trainer trying to "hook up" with a prospect, then why did the Blackhawks executives have a meeting for a sexual assault allegation?

Where are you seeing that the meeting of the executives was about a sexual assault allegations? Those present in the meeting report that the allegations were of sexual advances and Aldridge "trying to get under the sheets" with Beach.
 
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The allegation that a team employee had inappropriate contact with a player. I am not saying the team knew, I am saying they learned of the allegation at which point all focus should have turned to investigating it and learning the facts regardless of where the team was in its season.

The lesson needs to be if a serious allegation of sexual impropriety comes out involving a team employee, the team needs to throw on the breaks and investigate.

Again, to go back to what Torts said at the time, you're talking about an alleged crime and hockey is just a game. One is clearly much more important than the other.
Quite. Those involved (Q etc) knew of the allegation and knew the accused continued to work with the team. It’s implausible that anyone with a remotely appropriate approach to life and priorities would want someone with the team with such an investigation in motion. So to plead ignorance is BS. Any reasonable person would want to know it was dealt with (past tense) properly before the accused is allowed to be back with the team.

As for saying players wouldn’t taunt him as per point 4 “Logically, I find it hard to believe that established NHL players would be taunting a prospect “. I’ve been around a lot of pro players, including ex NHL guys and I find it very, very easy to believe. Sorry, but that’s hockey culture for you. I would actually be more surprised had he not been taunted and on my life that’s not BS.

No surprise that the players circled the wagons, again dressing room ‘rules’. The guys that came forward are the outliers here, the surprise.

I’ve been very involved in pro hockey and the dressing room culture means of the many North American players I met, I only wanted to get to know 3 guys outside of my involvement in the game. At that time (it has likely evolved) it was toxic. I am not saying all players were like that at heart but the general behaviour when in the room frequently made me uncomfortable. Hence I kept a personal distance. The mantra of ‘what goes on in the room, stays in the room’ very much applied - nobody is going to be a whistleblower.
 
I mean what happened was horrendous, however nobody involved in that is no longer with the Blackhawks organization

It would be unfair for this to have to follow Connor Bedard, Kyle Davidson, coaches, etc
 
It's not complex. It's simple.

A bad organization that did bad things, is rewarded with pretty much the best thing you could ever dream to be rewarded with.


It's really not hard to understand. You can try and conflate it with things, but it's a very very simple reason.

Yes your made at the results of a lottery. No interest in the facts of what took place, timeline, and who blame lays with.

If they had the 5th pick you would have zero emotion towards it. So its not the fact that the organization wasn't punished enough just that they got a lucky bounce.
 
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Where are you seeing that the meeting of the executives was about a sexual assault allegations? Those present in the meeting report that the allegations were of sexual advances and Aldridge "trying to get under the sheets" with Beach.
Take the assault out of the equation entirely.

Why is it ok for the organization to be so loosey goosey with sexual harassment?
 
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Yes your made at the results of a lottery. No interest in the facts of what took place, timeline, and who blame lays with.

If they had the 5th pick you would have zero emotion towards it. So its not the fact that the organization wasn't punished enough just that they got a lucky bounce.
Nobody is taking Bedard away from you.

You have to realise we're just unhappy that you guys got him after all the shit your organization did.


We wouldn't care if you got Lafreniere or Slafkovsky.
It's that you guys got Connor f***ing Bedard.


We're allowed to be upset about it.
 
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Nobody is taking Bedard away from you.

You have to realise we're just unhappy that you guys got him after all the shit your organization did.


We wouldn't care if you got Lafreniere or Slafkovsky.
It's that you guys got Connor f***ing Bedard.


We're allowed to be upset about it.


Truth be told, I'm at least sort of happy he's going to a place that has a hockey fanbase. I'd be more upset if he ended up in the Carribean or the Desert.
Yea so its not about Beach case at all or the punishment's lol I dont know why I would bother responding.
 
you seemed to have missed the point then. The allegation of what? At the time it seemed to be the allegation of a trainer "trying to hook up with" a black ace. They obviously handled it incorrectly after all of the facts came out but nobody knows what anybody knew at the time.

I think the disconnect you and @Chelios are having with others is you are emphasizing what the allegation was and how little information they had. The problem with that point is they are the employer and have some obligation to take that allegation and learn of the facts. And to act diligently and responsible when doing so.

Basically, you can’t hid behind a lack of information when it is you who has the obligation to get the information once you’re made aware of something.

For example, and this is a little different, but if your child reported some vague inappropriate sexual conduct to their school, and it later came out they were raped or assaulted…how would you feel about the school’s defense of “well we didn’t know THAT happened”



Maybe the Blackhawk did act diligently in getting all of the information after the initial allegation was brought to their attention? Maybe one of you two could explain that, I just don’t know but that seems important to for your point to have meaning
 
I did read it and stand by what I said. The team learned of the allegation and chose to continue focusing on play instead of halting everything to investigate. That was a serious mistake that should have been punished. Simply letting someone in the organization "handle it" while advocating for not letting it be a distraction is not acceptable.
Every team would have done the same. At the time they were allegations. Case in point the new revelations about the matt araiza case.
 
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I think the disconnect you and @Chelios are having with others is you are emphasizing what the allegation was and how little information they had. The problem with that point is they are the employer and have some obligation to take that allegation and learn of the facts. And to act diligently and responsible when doing so.

You can’t hid behind a lack of information when it is you who has the obligation to get the information once you’re made aware of something.

If your child reported some vague inappropriate sexual conduct to their school, and it later came out they were rapes or assaulted…how would you feel about the school’s defense of “well we didn’t know THAT happened”



Maybe the Blackhawk did act diligently in getting all of the information after the initial allegation was brought to their attention? Maybe one of you two could explain that, I just don’t know
100% agree. Everyone was fired because of this. Mcdonaugh should have gone to HR 2 weeks earlier. He didnt. Once going to HR they gave Alderich the opportunity to resign or go into a full investigation.

It should have been a full investigation full stop but from the report it does not appear that most of the information hadnt come out yet. There seems to be very conflicting reports on what was told to Jim Gray (licensed counselor) by Beach and what Jim Gray told to McDonough.
 
I think the disconnect you and @Chelios are having with others is you are emphasizing what the allegation was and how little information they had. The problem with that point is they are the employer and have some obligation to take that allegation and learn of the facts. And to act diligently and responsible when doing so.

Basically, you can’t hid behind a lack of information when it is you who has the obligation to get the information once you’re made aware of something.

For example, and this is a little different, but if your child reported some vague inappropriate sexual conduct to their school, and it later came out they were raped or assaulted…how would you feel about the school’s defense of “well we didn’t know THAT happened”



Maybe the Blackhawk did act diligently in getting all of the information after the initial allegation was brought to their attention? Maybe one of you two could explain that, I just don’t know but that seems important to for your point to have meaning

I think if people would read the investigation's report, they'd see things somewhat differently, but it's much easier to just scream and holler without putting in any work to have an informed response.

There was a meeting about a coach "making sexual advances" immediately after the Hawks won game 4 in the WCF against the Sharks, at the stadium(or the hotel), I can't remember offhand right now which place. And the President of the organization stated "I'll handle it." I would think most in the organization assume at that point that it's handled.

Knowing who John McDouchebag is as a person... it's not shocking that he did nothing at that point. Which is why his was the first head to roll.

 
Idk if you know anything about Chicago, but our fanbases in all major sports loathe every ownership group in town.

If it could be done without reprocussions any Chicago sports owner seen in public would get egged.

Bears fans hate the McCaskeys
Hawks fans hate the Wirtzes
Don't even get me started on Bulls/White Sox fans hating Jerry Reinsdorf.
Cub fans hate the Ricketts
 
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Since this seems to be coming up a lot again since the draft lottery, along with rumours of teams being interested in Bowman and Q, I thought it might be useful to have a thread to discuss the situation. In every thread that it comes up, I am quite honestly amazed by the amount of misinformation that is out there on the subject, and I am genuinely interested in what people think happened, especially those who haven't been following it closely or haven't read the Jenner and Block Report.

To give a little context, I am a lifelong Blackhawk fan, since long before the Toews/Kane era. When the news of the Kyle beach incident came out, I was quite frankly disgusted with the entire situation. It seems pretty clear based on everything that came out that Aldridge is a sexual predator, and should be viewed as so. Also, I believe Kyle Beach, and what he describes happened to him is something nobody should have to deal with. I eagerly read the Jenner and Block report when it came out to better understand what happened and who was responsible. After reading the report, I was quite frankly a bit confused as to the continued hatred and accusations being directed at people who, according to the evidence we have, don't really deserve it.

There seems to be a few common things thrown out there that I just don't seem to hold up to what we know (so far). If there is something I am missing, or misunderstanding, I would genuinely like to know what it is. I am more than happy to change my view as more information becomes available.

1) What they "knew" at the time. To me this is the biggest thing that people seem to be getting wrong. It seems most people are conflating what we know now (IE what Beach has accused Aldridge of doing), to what the organization knew then. We know now that, if Beach's story is accurate, he was raped. Full stop. There is no evidence, however, that anybody within the organization were aware of anything close to that at the time. In the report, the incident was described to management as some combination of unwanted sexual advances and "trying to get under the sheets" that happened outside of the work environment. Thats it. People seem to be acting that they were told that Aldridge raped Beach and they just decided not to act on it.

2) The Blackhawks provided references for Aldridge, which he used to help get employment after he left the organization. This is simply not true, and is laid out very clearly in the report.

3) The players on the team "knew" at the time. Again, it's important to define what they "knew". There is no evidence that they knew anything close to what Beach would later allege. Even Sopel, one of only two players outside of Beach who claim that players "knew", says that all they "knew" was that Aldridge wanted to "touch penises". Boynton, the other player that has claimed that everyone "knew" could not provide any details on what led him to believe that everyone "knew". It is also important to note, that none of the other 12 players interviewed had any knowledge of the incident at the time (6 report never hearing anything about it until the news broke, the other 6 claim only to have rumours of the incident at training camp the next year). So 12 of the 14 players interviewed dispute the fact that the players were aware of the incident of the time and the two players that dispute that could provide no details other than Aldridge "wanted to touch penises"

4) The players were taunting Beach. Beach recalls being called derogatory words at the following training camp, as well as being asked if "he missed his boyfriend Brad". None of the players interviewed recall hearing any taunting. This, of course, doesn't mean it didn't happen, but certainly suggests that it wasn't a rampant thing throughout training camp. Logically, I find it hard to believe that established NHL players would be taunting a prospect that is of no real threat to them. It seems to me much more likely, and this has been speculated, that it was more likely Black Aces who may have been more likely to be competing with Beach for spots and also more likely to have heard something about the incident.

5) Beach's teammates (IE Kane/Toews and co) failed him. This is another thing that seems to come up time and time again, especially with regards to Toews. First of all, the report details the extent to which the black Aces are separated from the active roster during playoff time. I was actually unaware prior to reading the report of just how separate the two groups were. The idea that this was a teammate that was in the trenches with players on that playoff run is just simply false. Not only was Beach not "teammates" with them during that playoff run, the degree to which the two groups of players were separated makes it much less likely that the active players had any idea of what was going on, and probably explains why 12 of the 14 players interviewed reported not knowing anything about the incident at the time.

6) Who was responsible for "looking into" the incident. Again, this seems to be something that people on this site in particular think is the responsibility of a variety of people, from Bowman to Q to the players. Based on everything we know, it seems that John McDonough said he would take care of it, and it seems everyone assumed that he did. The incident was brought to the attention of the organization in the Western Conference finals. Aldridge basically vanished from the team after the Cup celebrations. So in about a month the person in question was gone from the team. It seems reasonable to assume that most in the organization just assumed that proper policy was followed and that Aldridge was let go. Obviously, that did not happen, but again that seems to fall squarely at the feet of McDonough. It appears that he gave Aldridge the opportunity to leave under his own accord rather than complete a full investigation. This, again, seems to be the most valid criticism about how the whole thing was handled. I would be very interested to hear from someone with a better understanding of the law what should have been done in this situation. I do find it a bit hard to believe that McDonough wouldn't have at least gotten a lawyer's opinion on what should be done. Did the fact that the incident occur outside of the "workplace" affect the decision on what to do about it? If they had immediately fired Aldridge when the incident was brought forward, or removed him from his position immediately, would that have opened them up to being sued by him since, at the time, there was not a criminal accusation made and it did not happen as part of his employment with the Blackhawks? I genuinely don't know. I would love to get some input from someone with more understanding of the law than I.
The loudest posters on these topics, and it is often the same people, tend to be much less interested in reading about what is known to have happened than they are making sure everyone sees their bold moral stance online. If more evidence comes out that goes against their bold claims they tend to silently disappear until another chance to draw attention to themselves emerges.

What happened with Beach was bad. Aldrich deserves all the negativity thrown at him and more. Most posters tend to grasp at straws though by throwing blame at specific players or other people who aren't looking back at the situation a decade later with a detailed report in hand.
 
I think the disconnect you and @Chelios are having with others is you are emphasizing what the allegation was and how little information they had. The problem with that point is they are the employer and have some obligation to take that allegation and learn of the facts. And to act diligently and responsible when doing so.

Basically, you can’t hid behind a lack of information when it is you who has the obligation to get the information once you’re made aware of something.

For example, and this is a little different, but if your child reported some vague inappropriate sexual conduct to their school, and it later came out they were raped or assaulted…how would you feel about the school’s defense of “well we didn’t know THAT happened”



Maybe the Blackhawk did act diligently in getting all of the information after the initial allegation was brought to their attention? Maybe one of you two could explain that, I just don’t know but that seems important to for your point to have meaning
I agree with a lot of this. The Blackhawks deserved much stiffer punishments for what happened in that situation but it's difficult to imagine a scenario where this specific draft pick was going to be one of those things taken from them so it's a matter of luck and management to tank like the Hawks did and win the lottery. I despise the Hawks and I still do because their responses and accountability of fallen well short of acceptable and a lot of people are willing to look the other way on it or consider it done and over with but that stain will remain with them for a long time and deservedly so. They didn't deserve this but deserve's got nothing to do with the luck of a ping pong ball.

But between the suits that failed, the coaches that failed, and the players like Toews who made it worse for Beach, I have no sympathy for any of them and they are not worth celebrating in any real sense. Given the ownership involved, it's tough to give them any benefit of the doubt with how they've responded as well so I doubt much has actually changed within that organization and it wouldn't surprise me that it's similar in other organizations because of how small this community actually is.
 
I actually hoped that Rocky was forced to sell, but I think part of the deal is that he has to step back.

Quite frankly anything less than that is unacceptable. You can't hurt Billionaires without hitting them in the pocketbook. No amount of on-ice punishment really hurts the ownership.
 
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Yep, every hockey fan should remember that the Hawks were really never held accountable for Aldrich. Arizona lost a first for ... improper scouting?

I get that it's good for stars to be in big US markets, with original Six teams. Too much money, too many jobs at stake to let Bedard go to a "minor" club like Columbus or Anaheim. Gary works for the owners. We lap up the product.

The Hawks wrote a letter of recommendation for a sexual predator.

Good read: In ex-Blackhawks video coach Brad Aldrich’s remote hometown, residents reckon with the misdeeds of a former local hero
 
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