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[Islay1989]

Go back and read your post and you should see what you said.

I know what I wrote. Maybe if you stopped and actually gave it a thought instead of going in guns blazing you'd see my point right away, but alas...

 

[JLo217]

 

[henchman21]

I know what I wrote. Maybe if you stopped and actually gave it a thought instead of going in guns blazing you'd see my point right away, but alas...

That the short term losses of invading will get outweighed by Ukrainian oil, gas and grain that Russia will then have. I see your point, and your talking finances in the end. That isn’t what this is about.

 

[Islay1989]

That the short term losses of invading will get outweighed by Ukrainian oil, gas and grain that Russia will then have. I see your point, and your talking finances in the end. That isn’t what this is about.

And again, good thing I never said this was the point of their offensive. I simply pointed out that the idea that the oligarchy will suddenly go anti Putin or remove their backing because they are losing fractions of their wealth is nonsensical.

Their goal is obviously to expand their dominion, installing a puppet government, put a barrier between the EU and the Russian borders etc.

 

[JLo217]

And again, good thing I never said this was the point of their offensive. I simply pointed out that the idea that the oligarchy will suddenly go anti Putin or remove their backing because they are losing fractions of their wealth is nonsensical.

Their goal is obviously to expand their dominion, installing a puppet government, put a barrier between the EU and the Russian borders etc.

To take Ukraine at this rate they might lose 20% of their equipment. They might get Kyiv, but that won't end it. Russia is gonna be in alot of pain militarily speaking for years with how its looking right now. Especially if they keep getting Arms. Sanctions will make them struggle to rebuild. I'd imagine they'd have to draw back at some point.

 

[Islay1989]

To take Ukraine at this rate they might lose 20% of their equipment. They might get Kyiv, but that won't end it. Russia is gonna be in alot of pain militarily speaking for years with how its looking right now. Especially if they keep getting Arms. Sanctions will make them struggle to rebuild. I'd imagine they'd have to draw back at some point.

They most likely will if this keeps up. My assumption would be that they, much like the US intelligence expected Ukraine to fold and sue for peace once first armour entered. The losses that are being reported, even if exaggerated by 50% are catastrophic.

 

[dahrougem2]

Funny to me how the international community can be so up in arms over something like this happening when they don't want it to happen. But when it happens to a nation they couldn't care less about (see Palestine), they're dead silent and sometimes even helping it happen.

Hope the people in Ukraine are all safe. But the west can spare me their "holier than thou" BS sanctions/condemnations.

 

[JLo217]

Funny to me how the international community can be so up in arms over something like this happening when they don't want it to happen. But when it happens to a nation they couldn't care less about (see Palestine), they're dead silent and sometimes even helping it happen.

Hope the people in Ukraine are all safe. But the west can spare me their "holier than thou" BS sanctions/condemnations.

I’d say this has definitely made me look at Iraq much differently.

 

[Foppberg]

I see what you did there! I see it!

Just need to get Italy on board. Now that we know the gas bill was paid by Germany, when the Gucci bill gets paid to Italy... then they can cut off swift.

Seems like Italy is on board now too. And Russia's Ministry of Defense was hacked.

 

[henchman21]

I’d say this has definitely made me look at Iraq much differently.

Iraq was a horrific error and one of the worst instances of US foreign policy.

 

[dahrougem2]

Iraq was a horrific error and one of the worst instances of US foreign policy.

The U.S. has dropped hundreds of thousands of bombs on countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, and Palestine since 2021. That number rises exponentially since the beginning of the "war on terror" with George Bush.

They just aren't a good country whatsoever. Anything they try to say publicly about Russia is hypocritical. This just happens to be something they don't want Russia to accomplish, not something they're actually against happening.

 

[Balthazar]

Iraq was a horrific error and one of the worst instances of US foreign policy.

It was also a shithole in middle east led by a murderer and nothing like a democracy such as Ukraine getting invaded with the purpose of stealing their country, literally. This is WW2 stuff.

 

[henchman21]

It was also a shithole in middle east led by a murderer and nothing like a democracy such as Ukraine getting invaded to steal their country, literally. This is WW2 stuff.

The regime change wasn’t the worst thing… the methods used to achieve it were the worst shortly followed by the lack of plan afterwards.

 

[Balthazar]

The regime change wasn’t the worst thing… the methods used to achieve it were the worst shortly followed by the lack of plan afterwards.

I agree that many mistakes were made and I didn't support the Iraq war/invasion but again, apples and oranges.

 

[henchman21]

The U.S. has dropped hundreds of thousands of bombs on countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, and Palestine since 2021. That number rises exponentially since the beginning of the "war on terror" with George Bush.

They just aren't a good country whatsoever. Anything they try to say publicly about Russia is hypocritical. This just happens to be something they don't want Russia to accomplish, not something they're actually against happening.

The US had been heavily involved in the Middle East since ww2. It is easy to point at the Bush era and after as a flashpoint, but really it has been happening at a high rate before and after(Iran is a clear example). (Yes I know Somalia and Libya are not middle east)

To paint it as explicitly evil or good is misleading. It is really shades of grey. Selfish is an apt description that fits in all of it.

 

[henchman21]

I agree that many mistakes were made and I didn't support the Iraq war/invasion but again, apples and oranges.

Perceived threats are similar… motivations are far different. US shouldn’t have invaded Iraq for the reasons they did.

 

[dahrougem2]

The US had been heavily involved in the Middle East since ww2. It is easy to point at the Bush era and after as a flashpoint, but really it has been happening at a high rate before and after(Iran is a clear example). (Yes I know Somalia and Libya are not middle east)

To paint it as explicitly evil or good is misleading. It is really shades of grey. Selfish is an apt description that fits in all of it.

Agree to disagree. To me, it's all explicitly evil. The United States doesn't belong in the Middle East, nor does Britain, France, Canada, etc.

It began with the abolition of the Ottoman Empire and has continued since then. Those countries have done nothing to ensure smooth relations.

 

[S E P H]

I wonder what people who thought Justin Trudeau was a tyrant and a dictator a couple of weeks ago think of Putin.

Yea. Probably nothing.

Trudeau is still an appalling human-being and fortunately for him he got outclassed by an even bigger appalling human-being a week later. Rulers and Presidents are humans and humans are absolute pricks.

 

[Foppberg]

Trudeau is still an appalling human-being and fortunately for him he got outclassed by an even bigger appalling human-being a week later. Rulers and Presidents are humans and humans are absolute pricks.

I'm not a huge Trudeau fan, but even mentioning him in the same breath as an actual vile leader is an absolutely spit worthy take.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I'm not a huge Trudeau fan, but even mentioning him in the same breath as an actual vile leader is an absolutely spit worthy take.

100%. Trump and Trudeau clearly aren't good people. But they don't compare to Putin. He's on the level of someone like MbS.

 

[Balthazar]

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[Spleenless Wonder21]

Boy, in no way has this gotten political, so long as one has the forum approved outlook…

 

[5280]

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[Hennessy]

I knew there was a reason I love Zadorov, and it's not just his goofball antics.

Hopefully Russia is cut off from SWIFT before the end of the weekend. I've been a little disappointed thus far in the sanctions and certain parties' unwillingness to do what needs to be done.
Then again, I think that Rybolovlev and Abramovich need to have their soccer clubs seized and be deported.

 

[rmthomson21]

Boy, in no way has this gotten political, so long as one has the forum approved outlook…

Say what you want to say, nobody's stopping you. Except you.