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expatriatedtexan said:
But they at least showed he had a teacher. He was receiving training. Yoda was running his ass into the ground for six months. Mary Sue woke up and bam... knew everything, could do anything and was unstoppable. There was no learning curve or development of her character. Her character arc was a light switch. She's a nobody, SHE's the SAVIOR!

You simply can not make a "trilogy" with three different authors/directors trying to f*** each other over rather than build a cohesive story. Disney has been an abject failure by every single objective measure.
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That's the thing: was it really six whole months? There's a parallel storyline going on where the Millennium Falcon is pursued by a Star Destroyer as they escape from Hoth, hide inside an asteroid for not very long, then ditch the Imperials by attaching to their hull for no more than 12-24 hours, then get sniffed out by Boba Fett on their way to Cloud City, where they are immediately captured, which prompts Luke to leave Dagobah.

How many days could that journey possibly take them? They left Hoth at the same time Luke did. I get that the Falcon is limping to Bespin with a damaged hyperdrive, but could it have really taken them six months to get there? There's no mention of that, only that it took them long enough to get there that the Empire got to Lando "just before" they did. Some people have suggested something something hyperdrives and relativistic time dilation to explain the discrepancy, but it just doesn't seem like Luke spent very long at all with Yoda.

And even if he did spend six months there, he really didn't listen to Yoda at all. The three examples we get of Luke's training are: ignoring Yoda's warning about the cave, failing to lift the X-wing because he didn't take Yoda's teaching to heart, and then ignoring Yoda's pleas not to go to confront Vader. I'm not sure it's fair to say that Luke gained a whole lot of insight and wisdom while he was there given that he wasn't a great student. And after all that, when he comes back to finish his training, Yoda says "Actually, yeah, you're a Jedi already".

I just dislike the whole "Rey is a Mary Sue" narrative. If she's a Mary Sue, then Luke qualifies too. And you know what? That's fine. The OT is great just the way it is! I'm not saying it to denigrate Luke or his journey, I just think it's unfair to put that scrutiny on Rey exclusively as a character. Rey's character wasn't undermined by her succeeding at everything, the problem with Rey is that she never had any agency in the whole trilogy. She just kind of did what she was told most of the time, which is always boring, and is something that is covered in writing 101.
 
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That's the thing: was it really six whole months? There's a parallel storyline going on where the Millennium Falcon is pursued by a Star Destroyer as they escape from Hoth, hide inside an asteroid for not very long, then ditch the Imperials by attaching to their hull for no more than 12-24 hours, then get sniffed out by Boba Fett on their way to Cloud City, where they are immediately captured, which prompts Luke to leave Dagobah.

How many days could that journey possibly take them? They left Hoth at the same time Luke did. I get that the Falcon is limping to Bespin with a damaged hyperdrive, but could it have really taken them six months to get there? There's no mention of that, only that it took them long enough to get there that the Empire got to Lando "just before" they did. Some people have suggested something something hyperdrives and relativistic time dilation to explain the discrepancy, but it just doesn't seem like Luke spent very long at all with Yoda.

And even if he did spend six months there, he really didn't listen to Yoda at all. The three examples we get of Luke's training are: ignoring Yoda's warning about the cave, failing to lift the X-wing because he didn't take Yoda's teaching to heart, and then ignoring Yoda's pleas not to go to confront Vader. I'm not sure it's fair to say that Luke gained a whole lot of insight and wisdom while he was there given that he wasn't a great student. And after all that, when he comes back to finish his training, Yoda says "Actually, yeah, you're a Jedi already".

I just dislike the whole "Rey is a Mary Sue" narrative. If she's a Mary Sue, then Luke qualifies too. And you know what? That's fine. The OT is great just the way it is! I'm not saying it to denigrate Luke or his journey, I just think it's unfair to put that scrutiny on Rey exclusively as a character. Rey's character wasn't undermined by her succeeding at everything, the problem with Rey is that she never had any agency in the whole trilogy. She just kind of did what she was told most of the time, which is always boring, and is something that is covered in writing 101.
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All of which left Han Solo frozen in carbonite, him losing a limb and finidng out his dad might be Vader.

Mary Sue on the otherhand.... played footsies with a kid who didn't even want to be a Sith really.
 
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Bought a bunch of Buffy the Vampire Slayer novels. Always been a huge fan of the franchise; I have all of Buffy and Angel on DVD, every single comic book story from the franchise, all the video games, the terrible movie on Blu Ray, etc. But up to this point I never grabbed any of the novels.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
Any particular reason to catch it in the theater or will a nice home TV suffice?
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The music was a standout part of the movie, so I'd definitely see it in theatres for that alone. Looks like they're brining it back into IMAX for another run here soon, too, which would be the best way to watch considering how much of the movie was filmed in IMAX.
 
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I'm fixin' to ask this board to ignore what I'm talking about but still maybe give me a few links.

Without asking for this thread to become a conversation on this issue, what I'm asking for is some links to some dispassionate accounts of the issues between Inda and Pakistan.

I'm a westerner, I can't even pretend to understand the complexity of issues at play. I've got some basic understanding, but again I'm a westener. With what little I know, I can't possibly understand the friction here. Just trying to find some "light reading" that might help explain why the world is the way it is.. but again, I'm not asking for a discussion on it here. I'm just asking here because sometimes you f***ers surprise with the breadth of knowledge our community has.

And honestly... I trust a hockey board more than I do wikipedia sometimes. *LOL* I've seen some of the edits made there. One of which I blew up into an 8 1/2 x 14 poster commenting on my last cigarette smoked back in 2010 at Independence Gold Mine down near Hatcher's Pass.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
I'm fixin' to ask this board to ignore what I'm talking about but still maybe give me a few links.

Without asking for this thread to become a conversation on this issue, what I'm asking for is some links to some dispassionate accounts of the issues between Inda and Pakistan.

I'm a westerner, I can't even pretend to understand the complexity of issues at play. I've got some basic understanding, but again I'm a westener. With what little I know, I can't possibly understand the friction here. Just trying to find some "light reading" that might help explain why the world is the way it is.. but again, I'm not asking for a discussion on it here. I'm just asking here because sometimes you f***ers surprise with the breadth of knowledge our community has.

And honestly... I trust a hockey board more than I do wikipedia sometimes. *LOL* I've seen some of the edits made there. One of which I blew up into an 8 1/2 x 14 poster commenting on my last cigarette smoked back in 2010 at Independence Gold Mine down near Hatcher's Pass.
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I think there is a lot of history there - something to do with water coming from India into Pakistan, but I don't understand the whole situation

But is the first time 2 nuclear powers have engaged in missile strikes against each other?
 
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The Moops said:
I think there is a lot of history there - something to do with water coming from India into Pakistan, but I don't understand the whole situation

But is the first time 2 nuclear powers have engaged in missile strikes against each other?
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Depends on how technical you want to get. One could suggest the US, Russia and China have all been in real conflict but it's been via proxy forces like Wagner. The key difference is for the most part, we've always fought each other on someone elses homeland.

This development between Pakistan and India feels very new to me, which is why I was asking for info. I mean, don't think for a second I haven't already devoured wiki pages on this, but while Wiki is good for some general level knowledge, nuance is not its specialty.
 
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The Merchant said:
Sheesh this is the quietest HFAvs has been in a long time...can't say I'm surprised, but still. Sucks :(
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I just cannot get engaged with hockey stuff right now, it's too fresh. I'm not even watching anything but occasional highlights from the second round, either.
 
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