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But they at least showed he had a teacher. He was receiving training. Yoda was running his ass into the ground for six months. Mary Sue woke up and bam... knew everything, could do anything and was unstoppable. There was no learning curve or development of her character. Her character arc was a light switch. She's a nobody, SHE's the SAVIOR!

You simply can not make a "trilogy" with three different authors/directors trying to f*** each other over rather than build a cohesive story. Disney has been an abject failure by every single objective measure.
That's the thing: was it really six whole months? There's a parallel storyline going on where the Millennium Falcon is pursued by a Star Destroyer as they escape from Hoth, hide inside an asteroid for not very long, then ditch the Imperials by attaching to their hull for no more than 12-24 hours, then get sniffed out by Boba Fett on their way to Cloud City, where they are immediately captured, which prompts Luke to leave Dagobah.

How many days could that journey possibly take them? They left Hoth at the same time Luke did. I get that the Falcon is limping to Bespin with a damaged hyperdrive, but could it have really taken them six months to get there? There's no mention of that, only that it took them long enough to get there that the Empire got to Lando "just before" they did. Some people have suggested something something hyperdrives and relativistic time dilation to explain the discrepancy, but it just doesn't seem like Luke spent very long at all with Yoda.

And even if he did spend six months there, he really didn't listen to Yoda at all. The three examples we get of Luke's training are: ignoring Yoda's warning about the cave, failing to lift the X-wing because he didn't take Yoda's teaching to heart, and then ignoring Yoda's pleas not to go to confront Vader. I'm not sure it's fair to say that Luke gained a whole lot of insight and wisdom while he was there given that he wasn't a great student. And after all that, when he comes back to finish his training, Yoda says "Actually, yeah, you're a Jedi already".

I just dislike the whole "Rey is a Mary Sue" narrative. If she's a Mary Sue, then Luke qualifies too. And you know what? That's fine. The OT is great just the way it is! I'm not saying it to denigrate Luke or his journey, I just think it's unfair to put that scrutiny on Rey exclusively as a character. Rey's character wasn't undermined by her succeeding at everything, the problem with Rey is that she never had any agency in the whole trilogy. She just kind of did what she was told most of the time, which is always boring, and is something that is covered in writing 101.
 
That's the thing: was it really six whole months? There's a parallel storyline going on where the Millennium Falcon is pursued by a Star Destroyer as they escape from Hoth, hide inside an asteroid for not very long, then ditch the Imperials by attaching to their hull for no more than 12-24 hours, then get sniffed out by Boba Fett on their way to Cloud City, where they are immediately captured, which prompts Luke to leave Dagobah.

How many days could that journey possibly take them? They left Hoth at the same time Luke did. I get that the Falcon is limping to Bespin with a damaged hyperdrive, but could it have really taken them six months to get there? There's no mention of that, only that it took them long enough to get there that the Empire got to Lando "just before" they did. Some people have suggested something something hyperdrives and relativistic time dilation to explain the discrepancy, but it just doesn't seem like Luke spent very long at all with Yoda.

And even if he did spend six months there, he really didn't listen to Yoda at all. The three examples we get of Luke's training are: ignoring Yoda's warning about the cave, failing to lift the X-wing because he didn't take Yoda's teaching to heart, and then ignoring Yoda's pleas not to go to confront Vader. I'm not sure it's fair to say that Luke gained a whole lot of insight and wisdom while he was there given that he wasn't a great student. And after all that, when he comes back to finish his training, Yoda says "Actually, yeah, you're a Jedi already".

I just dislike the whole "Rey is a Mary Sue" narrative. If she's a Mary Sue, then Luke qualifies too. And you know what? That's fine. The OT is great just the way it is! I'm not saying it to denigrate Luke or his journey, I just think it's unfair to put that scrutiny on Rey exclusively as a character. Rey's character wasn't undermined by her succeeding at everything, the problem with Rey is that she never had any agency in the whole trilogy. She just kind of did what she was told most of the time, which is always boring, and is something that is covered in writing 101.

All of which left Han Solo frozen in carbonite, him losing a limb and finidng out his dad might be Vader.

Mary Sue on the otherhand.... played footsies with a kid who didn't even want to be a Sith really.
 
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Bought a bunch of Buffy the Vampire Slayer novels. Always been a huge fan of the franchise; I have all of Buffy and Angel on DVD, every single comic book story from the franchise, all the video games, the terrible movie on Blu Ray, etc. But up to this point I never grabbed any of the novels.
 
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Any particular reason to catch it in the theater or will a nice home TV suffice?
The music was a standout part of the movie, so I'd definitely see it in theatres for that alone. Looks like they're brining it back into IMAX for another run here soon, too, which would be the best way to watch considering how much of the movie was filmed in IMAX.
 
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I'm fixin' to ask this board to ignore what I'm talking about but still maybe give me a few links.

Without asking for this thread to become a conversation on this issue, what I'm asking for is some links to some dispassionate accounts of the issues between Inda and Pakistan.

I'm a westerner, I can't even pretend to understand the complexity of issues at play. I've got some basic understanding, but again I'm a westener. With what little I know, I can't possibly understand the friction here. Just trying to find some "light reading" that might help explain why the world is the way it is.. but again, I'm not asking for a discussion on it here. I'm just asking here because sometimes you f***ers surprise with the breadth of knowledge our community has.

And honestly... I trust a hockey board more than I do wikipedia sometimes. *LOL* I've seen some of the edits made there. One of which I blew up into an 8 1/2 x 14 poster commenting on my last cigarette smoked back in 2010 at Independence Gold Mine down near Hatcher's Pass.
 
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I'm fixin' to ask this board to ignore what I'm talking about but still maybe give me a few links.

Without asking for this thread to become a conversation on this issue, what I'm asking for is some links to some dispassionate accounts of the issues between Inda and Pakistan.

I'm a westerner, I can't even pretend to understand the complexity of issues at play. I've got some basic understanding, but again I'm a westener. With what little I know, I can't possibly understand the friction here. Just trying to find some "light reading" that might help explain why the world is the way it is.. but again, I'm not asking for a discussion on it here. I'm just asking here because sometimes you f***ers surprise with the breadth of knowledge our community has.

And honestly... I trust a hockey board more than I do wikipedia sometimes. *LOL* I've seen some of the edits made there. One of which I blew up into an 8 1/2 x 14 poster commenting on my last cigarette smoked back in 2010 at Independence Gold Mine down near Hatcher's Pass.
I think there is a lot of history there - something to do with water coming from India into Pakistan, but I don't understand the whole situation

But is the first time 2 nuclear powers have engaged in missile strikes against each other?
 
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I think there is a lot of history there - something to do with water coming from India into Pakistan, but I don't understand the whole situation

But is the first time 2 nuclear powers have engaged in missile strikes against each other?
Depends on how technical you want to get. One could suggest the US, Russia and China have all been in real conflict but it's been via proxy forces like Wagner. The key difference is for the most part, we've always fought each other on someone elses homeland.

This development between Pakistan and India feels very new to me, which is why I was asking for info. I mean, don't think for a second I haven't already devoured wiki pages on this, but while Wiki is good for some general level knowledge, nuance is not its specialty.
 
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I just cannot get engaged with hockey stuff right now, it's too fresh. I'm not even watching anything but occasional highlights from the second round, either.
That's normally happens to me too. I'm watching with passing interest in the historical context of it's been a damn long time since a Canadian team has hoisted the cup. Way things are shaking out, I think this very well could be the season. But I kinda feel like Charlie Brown talking to Linus about how he doesn't feel the spirit of the holidays.
 
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That's normally happens to me too. I'm watching with passing interest in the historical context of it's been a damn long time since a Canadian team has hoisted the cup. Way things are shaking out, I think this very well could be the season. But I kinda feel like Charlie Brown talking to Linus about how he doesn't feel the spirit of the holidays.
It's extra rough this year... 2-0, game 7, third period...

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Found a video last night with Brian Cox. Something about the basic foundation of Black Holes has been troubling me since I read Hawking's A Brief History of Time.

Cox made the comment in this video last night that once you cross the event horizon, basically time and space swap rolls mathmatically speaking. So the idea of nothing being capable of escaping a black hole became much more easier for me to digest... because when you no longer think of a singularity as a place but rather a time (in this case a very specific point in time... the end of it all) it becomes easier to comphrehend. It's not that you can't run away from a place... what you can't run away from is the future.

The big question I'm still trying to understand is that if information, matter, energy what have you goes into a black hole and can not escape it, even at the end of time... this seems to violate my understanding of.... entropy? Seems like laws of conservation for energy, mass, and even potentially charge are being violated.
 

We have a new Slayer. Big shoes to fill. Metaphorically, anyway. Physically Sarah's shoes are tiny.
This ranks right up with every other TV show ever created that didn't need a reboot.
 
This ranks right up with every other TV show ever created that didn't need a reboot.
Strongly disagree. The Buffyverse was never supposed to be a one-off, it was always a broad canvas through which to tell varied stories. It was intended from the jump to be something akin to the Marvel Universe, not just the story of one character in one time and place.

That's why there is so much media in the series that doesn't even star Buffy:

Among many other comics, novels, video games, and that horrible movie.

And for this particular continuation they got

Chloe Zhao (Oscar winning director) to direct the pilot
Zuckerman sisters as showrunners (writers of Poker Face, Fringe, Haven, Agents of SHIELD)
Sarah Michelle Gellar as recurring character and executive producer
 
Strongly disagree. The Buffyverse was never supposed to be a one-off, it was always a broad canvas through which to tell varied stories. It was intended from the jump to be something akin to the Marvel Universe, not just the story of one character in one time and place.

That's why there is so much media in the series that doesn't even star Buffy:

Among many other comics, novels, video games, and that horrible movie.

And for this particular continuation they got

Chloe Zhao (Oscar winning director) to direct the pilot
Zuckerman sisters as showrunners (writers of Poker Face, Fringe, Haven, Agents of SHIELD)
Sarah Michelle Gellar as recurring character and executive producer
I appreciate you going out of your way to prove my point.

There was a perfectly good movie made once. There was no need to do all this shit to it.
 
I appreciate you going out of your way to prove my point.

There was a perfectly good movie made once. There was no need to do all this shit to it.
The movie is ridiculously terrible. The series is orders of magnitude better and the main reason anyone remembers or cares about the franchise at all.

In fact, every single thing I linked you to is considerably better than that awful movie.
 
The movie is ridiculously terrible. The series is orders of magnitude better and the main reason anyone remembers or cares about the franchise at all.

In fact, every single thing I linked you to is considerably better than that awful movie.
Except for the fact that you are wrong, I would absolutely agree with you.

Everything you linked was complete shit. As was the original movie.
 

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