OT: The Avalounge (mod warning - No Politics)

[RoyIsALegend]

Nathaniel Alexander joined us yesterday morning! Happy and healthy and just loving life right now.

No one prepared me for how much fun it would be to break out the inner dad. The silly and goofy part of the job is the best.

Congratulations bro, welcome to the sleepless nights of parenthood! Hope mom is doing well, too.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Congratulations bro, welcome to the sleepless nights of parenthood! Hope mom is doing well, too.

Thanks! She's doing well, was a 36 hour affair that switched to a C-section so the recovery will be a bit. But the two of them are inseparable and it's super cool to see that side of her and the change in our relationship budding around him.

 

[ABasin]

Nathaniel Alexander joined us yesterday morning! Happy and healthy and just loving life right now.

No one prepared me for how much fun it would be to break out the inner dad. The silly and goofy part of the job is the best.

Congratulations, Wolfe. Great news, love it.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Nathaniel Alexander joined us yesterday morning! Happy and healthy and just loving life right now.

No one prepared me for how much fun it would be to break out the inner dad. The silly and goofy part of the job is the best.

I'm so very happy for you and your family!!

 

[Bonzai12]

Congrats!

Days will be long and years will be short. Take lots of videos.

 

[Hasbro]

 

[The Merchant]

Wow, they finally managed to get a good actor to lead a Star Wars movie. Deadpool/Wolverine director, too

 

[Hasbro]

 

[S E P H]

Wow, they finally managed to get a good actor to lead a Star Wars movie. Deadpool/Wolverine director, too

Anything that has any semblance of those three films, I will never watch it. Sucks because this sort of got me hyped.

 

[Pokecheque]

Anything that has any semblance of those three films, I will never watch it. Sucks because this sort of got me hyped.

It's just set after them, doesn't sound like J.J. Abrams has any creative control over the movie.

Those films were mostly "meh" for me. Still better than "Attack of the Clones" which was an abomination.

 

[ASmileyFace]

Andor is the only thing Disney has done with Star Wars that I liked, fingers crossed they dont f*** up this next season

 

[sabremike]

 

[McMetal]

It's just set after them, doesn't sound like J.J. Abrams has any creative control over the movie.

Those films were mostly "meh" for me. Still better than "Attack of the Clones" which was an abomination.

I thought the first one was a really fun ride, but ultimately it was pretty fluffy. And although TLJ was a flawed movie, I thought it set up some really interesting and subversive storylines for the characters. Unfortunately, Abrams came back in, ignored and/or retconned all of the interesting bits of TLJ, and delivered a confused, disjointed mess of a finale that was a disservice to every single character with a line of dialogue. The stupidity of going into that trilogy without so much as a plot outline is going to go down as one of the biggest goal-line fumbles in cinematic history. In retrospect, almost anything would have been more satisfying than what we got.

 

[Foppa2118]

Wow, they finally managed to get a good actor to lead a Star Wars movie. Deadpool/Wolverine director, too

Diego Luna is a pretty good actor. Rogue One and Andor are probably two of the better installments.

 

[Pokecheque]

I thought the first one was a really fun ride, but ultimately it was pretty fluffy. And although TLJ was a flawed movie, I thought it set up some really interesting and subversive storylines for the characters. Unfortunately, Abrams came back in, ignored and/or retconned all of the interesting bits of TLJ, and delivered a confused, disjointed mess of a finale that was a disservice to every single character with a line of dialogue. The stupidity of going into that trilogy without so much as a plot outline is going to go down as one of the biggest goal-line fumbles in cinematic history. In retrospect, almost anything would have been more satisfying than what we got.

Yeah I agree with most of what you say here.

 

[ABasin]

I thought the first one was a really fun ride, but ultimately it was pretty fluffy. And although TLJ was a flawed movie, I thought it set up some really interesting and subversive storylines for the characters. Unfortunately, Abrams came back in, ignored and/or retconned all of the interesting bits of TLJ, and delivered a confused, disjointed mess of a finale that was a disservice to every single character with a line of dialogue. The stupidity of going into that trilogy without so much as a plot outline is going to go down as one of the biggest goal-line fumbles in cinematic history. In retrospect, almost anything would have been more satisfying than what we got.

Yes, it was mostly hot garbage. A wasted opportunity.

 

[The Merchant]

Yes please

 

[S E P H]

It's just set after them, doesn't sound like J.J. Abrams has any creative control over the movie.

Those films were mostly "meh" for me. Still better than "Attack of the Clones" which was an abomination.

Yeah, we're gonna agree to disagree. Not only were the three Disney movies just a mess, but they were some of the worst movies I have ever watched in my life. Rey being a top 5 Jedi of all time without ever holding a lightsabre is nonsense, the middle Disney film, I forget the name for, was one of the bottom 3 movie experiences I have ever watched in my life (it's there with Lifetime movies I have seen), and the final one was the best of the three, but is worse than Attack of the Clones because of bringing zombie Darth Sidious back for a six hundredth instalment. I would take a Star Wars film with Jar Jar as a protagonist that George Lucas created over another single one made by these Disney writers.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Yeah, we're gonna agree to disagree. Not only were the three Disney movies just a mess, but they were some of the worst movies I have ever watched in my life. Rey being a top 5 Jedi of all time without ever holding a lightsabre is nonsense, the middle Disney film, I forget the name for, was one of the bottom 3 movie experiences I have ever watched in my life (it's there with Lifetime movies I have seen), and the final one was the best of the three, but is worse than Attack of the Clones because of bringing zombie Darth Sidious back for a six hundredth instalment. I would take a Star Wars film with Jar Jar as a protagonist that George Lucas created over another single one made by these Disney writers.

Jar Jar being a Sith would be the only reason to bring him back. Mee-sa fooled you!

 

[McMetal]

Rey being a top 5 Jedi of all time without ever holding a lightsabre is nonsense,

I've never understood this criticism. I mean, Luke became an elite Jedi after what, a few months with Yoda at most?

Luke and Han left Hoth at the same time, and even if you do some tinkering with time dilation and sublight travel to Bespin to stretch out the two parallel storylines, Luke doesn't age while he's on Dagobah, so he can't have been there THAT long. And after a few months of training (that he didn't exactly excel at) he's not only competent enough to barely escape an encounter with an immensely powerful Sith Lord, he's also mentally strong enough to resist the temptation to join him in a moment of despair. Anakin himself failed that test.

Then instead of going back to train more, he spends a few years on his own, and by the end of that time, he's a powerful enough Jedi to take down two of the most powerful Sith of all time *at once*. Qui-gon, a Jedi Master at the peak of the Old Republic, double teamed one Sith and didn't live to tell the tale. So Luke's tale doesn't exactly involve decades of dedication and training either.

I'm not saying that the OT is a bad story because of that, but I would definitely say that Rey and Luke have a lot in common as characters. The SW universe had clearly set a precedent for "plucky hero rises from obscurity to defeat bad guys" storylines. There's a lot to criticize about those movies, but I don't think the concept of Rey as a character is one of them.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I've never understood this criticism. I mean, Luke became an elite Jedi after what, a few months with Yoda at most?

Luke and Han left Hoth at the same time, and even if you do some tinkering with time dilation and sublight travel to Bespin to stretch out the two parallel storylines, Luke doesn't age while he's on Dagobah, so he can't have been there THAT long. And after a few months of training (that he didn't exactly excel at) he's not only competent enough to barely escape an encounter with an immensely powerful Sith Lord, he's also mentally strong enough to resist the temptation to join him in a moment of despair. Anakin himself failed that test.

Then instead of going back to train more, he spends a few years on his own, and by the end of that time, he's a powerful enough Jedi to take down two of the most powerful Sith of all time *at once*. Qui-gon, a Jedi Master at the peak of the Old Republic, double teamed one Sith and didn't live to tell the tale. So Luke's tale doesn't exactly involve decades of dedication and training either.

I'm not saying that the OT is a bad story because of that, but I would definitely say that Rey and Luke have a lot in common as characters. The SW universe had clearly set a precedent for "plucky hero rises from obscurity to defeat bad guys" storylines. There's a lot to criticize about those movies, but I don't think the concept of Rey as a character is one of them.

But they at least showed he had a teacher. He was receiving training. Yoda was running his ass into the ground for six months. Mary Sue woke up and bam... knew everything, could do anything and was unstoppable. There was no learning curve or development of her character. Her character arc was a light switch. She's a nobody, SHE's the SAVIOR!

You simply can not make a "trilogy" with three different authors/directors trying to f*** each other over rather than build a cohesive story. Disney has been an abject failure by every single objective measure.

 

[The Moops]

Then instead of going back to train more, he spends a few years on his own, and by the end of that time, he's a powerful enough Jedi to take down two of the most powerful Sith of all time *at once*.

I mean not really right? Palps had one foot in the grave because he was so old, Vader was mostly machine and only living through pure hatred. Those two were definitely not in their prime anymore. Palps probably couldn't even wield a lightsaber anymore, and Vader gave up because he was fighting someone he cared about, not someone he hated. Even then Luke didn't beat either one - Vader sacrifices himself to kill Shreev, Luke was too busy thinking about ewok strange to have prevailed

If Luke was a nobody he dies in ESB. Vader toys with him the whole time.

TPM era Qui-Gon or Obi Wan would have absolutely destroyed TLJ era Palpatine and Vader. Would have mopped the floor with both. Even old man Obi beats Vader pretty good in terrible Kenobi show.

Luke's greatest strength is avoidance of peer pressure. Even at the height of his power, he was no match for any Jedi Master in TPM imo - he's just all that's left. Sad remnant.

Rey picking up a lightsaber and punking Kylo Ren will never not be funny to me. No force training, never held a lightsaber, and she just absolutely mogs a guy who's biggest source of anger is that he missed a My Chemical Romance concert - but at least he had a little bit of training.

 

[The Moops]

Jar Jar being a Sith would be the only reason to bring him back. Mee-sa fooled you!

Jar Jar being Darth Plagueis is canon in my head

 

[Ceremony]

I liked The Last Jedi.

 

[UncleRisto]

I liked The Phantom Menace.