I mean I like how you moved the goalpost there....you said the only reason people hated the McCann situation is because Dubas did it and I said wrong. But for what its worth and from what I have seen of McCann, yes I would want him over Kerfoot or Holl.
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It was a generalization, but people have no clue about McCann and I believe that a large number of people just disliked it cause Dubas did it.
I thought trading virtually nothing to be sure you only lose one of McCann or Kerfoot was a great move.
But that deal gets hated on too somehow.
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The last part, do you honestly believe this? It's essentially impossible to have an honest conversation with you at this point. That was another Dubas blunder because he can not gauge talent. That's what happens when your GM doesn't know jack about the game from the ice level.
You're proving my point.
You think the expansion draft was a bad move... he basically lost a 7th and Hallander in that draft, that is a good deal.
Again, I disagree. When Dubas got McCann almost everyone I know loved it and loved the potential of McCann and the same people were not happy when he was left unprotected. Dubas is the one that left him unprotected so I guess people blamed Dubas but it would have been the same reaction no matter who made that call.
Well, over time Dubas was proven right on the McCann deal and leaving him unprotected.
40 goals in the regular season does nothing for us.
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Fair enough if its what he has heard but no names or deals that were nixed seems pretty suspicious to me and reeks of tabloidness. Maybe wait for some concrete proof instead of throwing crap at the wall and hoping something sticks. I mean he can do whatever he wants cause I dont care what he has to say but I aint taking anything he has to say seriously so if thats what he was going for then.....he has succeeded.
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I take this article with a grain of salt.
Without knowing specifics, how is it even possible to ascertain that Dubas was blocked from making trades that could have helped us advance further in the playoffs?
What if he was blocked from making trades that could have resulted in an earlier playoff exit, or gutting the prospect pool completely?
A speculative article at best with a biased tone.
Without knowing specifics, how is it even possible to ascertain that Dubas was blocked from making trades that could have helped us advance further in the playoffs?
What if he was blocked from making trades that could have resulted in an earlier playoff exit, or gutting the prospect pool completely?
A speculative article at best with a biased tone.
It was a good move, even if it could have been better.
Dubas, Holl and Kerfot were all involved and all 3 are polarizing figures.
I was told by a current unnamed exec, and a soon-to-be former player that there were at least two trades nixed by Shanny.
One was Kerfoot, Niemela, 2 x 1sts and Knies for Hagel and MAF.
The other was Knies, 2 x 1sts and Holl for Tarasenko.
One was Kerfoot, Niemela, 2 x 1sts and Knies for Hagel and MAF.
The other was Knies, 2 x 1sts and Holl for Tarasenko.
100%. That lack of detail makes that article teeter on beauty salon gossip.
You make a good point that the trade could have been busts. That’s not a knock on Dubas. Happens to every GM. But article spoke as if team improvement was a foregone conclusion… which for me only discredits the article further.
And McCann. Conveniently you forgot the biggest piece of the deal.
Yeah, protecting Kerfoot and his 23 goals over the past two seasons and a defensemen that's close to useless was certainly better than keeping a player who has 67 over the past two seasons. And he's primarily a LW, a huge need for the team.
Fantastic move Dubious.
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They got him as a sacrifice to save Kerfoot. I think that was what happened.
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It was my understanding that the Leafs didn’t want to lose a forward (Kerfoot) while protecting Holl.
So they got McCann in a trade to only lose 1 of McCann or Kerfoot. Francis choose McCann.
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And here I would be placing pick me signs all around Holl, in neon.
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Well, while everyone here was arguing that Kerfoot wasn’t protected, they forgot that Holl was.
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Sounds good. Acquiring McCann was insurance for the Leafs in knowing that Seattle could only select one of either him or Kerfoot.
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From what I have heard, Dubas never offered Knies. His name came up. Why wouldn't Chicago ask for Knies? Huge difference between asking and being offered.
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This is correct.
But I think the general consensus from people at the time is they would rather keep McCann and expose Holl.
Whatever, that’s what happened.
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