News Article: The Athletic: Shanahan blocked Dubas from completing trades that "could have improved the Leafs’ ability to advance further in the playoffs"

[Lemontree]

Well, over time Dubas was proven right on the McCann deal and leaving him unprotected.

40 goals in the regular season does nothing for us.

Are you kidding? We have been missing 2 top 6 wingers and he kept JUSTIN HOLL.

Proven right......my god.

 

[WillNy29]

Don't remember the Leafs drafting either of these guys, who are the Dubas drafted equivalent to them? Using your logic, for some reason people want us to draft more Tyler Bensons and Jeremy Bracos than Tage Thompsons and Adrian Kempes.

no I much prefer they had taken konecny rather than trade down to get Dermot to appease babcocks fetish for influencing things he shouldn't in an organization. Sebastian Aho went right after Dermot.

Draft the most skilled player possible not the player who's skill is being a fridge like our direction seemed to be under Hunters scouting

 

[yubbers]

Dubas seems to only have success in imaginations. LOL

 

[Lemontree]

no I much prefer they had taken konecny rather than trade down to get Dermot to appease babcocks fetish for influencing things he shouldn't in an organization. Sebastian Aho went right after Dermot.

Draft the most skilled player possible not the player who's skill is being a fridge like our direction seemed to be under Hunters scouting

Dermot wasn't a "fridge" so I really don't understand the parallels you are attempting to draw. You can look back at any draft and then complain that the GM didn't make the right pick based on other players selected around them.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

I wonder how much Dubas pays his media fanboys? Good for Shanny to block any potential trade for Knies, if true.

 

[Squiffy]

I wonder how much Dubas pays his media fanboys? Good for Shanny to block any potential trade for Knies, if true.

Figure it’s a percentage of his salary based on likes, or is it like a flat fee thing?

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

Figure it’s a percentage of his salary based on likes, or is it like a flat fee thing?

Strikes me as a guy that would outsource to China. Uses his shills as the figureheads in the media and subsequently profits from the interactions it generates in places like Twitter.

 

[ICBM]

Dubas was Shanny's puppet from the beginning. May be he didn't realize that until now (he looked smarter tha he was). That was the reason for choosing him. Inexperienced guy. Easy to control. This fiasco is on Shanny. He wants to make decisions himself.
What I don't understand is how a power forward and character player like Shanny could have assembled such hartless and soulless team.
But again, I don't understand how people who watched Killer and Wendel play can watch this cuckold team.

 

[Gabriel426]

In fairness, this was just prior to the start of his breakthrough!

*That kind of trade return would still have been waaaay out there!

But why would Shanny blocked a 5th round pick trade

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Are you kidding? We have been missing 2 top 6 wingers and he kept JUSTIN HOLL.

Proven right......my god.

Still would have been missing those 2 top 6 wingers in the playoffs based on how McCann played this year. No better than Jarnkrok, Bunting, or Kerfoot.

Well actually only one because Knies looked better than all 4 in the top 6.

 

[Forecheck1]

Mirtle - Johnson and company spinning the Dubas Narrative - The Toronto Media has been so soft on the past Management team - anyone who steps out of line gets banished.... The Media is softer than the team Dubas built !!

 

[Racer88]

To the contrary I think it's Dubas feeding him to try to change the narrative and help him salvage his reputation while striking back at Shanny.

Read between the lines.

Dubas feeding him BS

 

[Notsince67]

There are multiple inquiries on any competitive team's top prospect. There's nothing that suggests that Dubas was prepared to trade him, and a lot that suggests that he wasn't. It doesn't say impact trade. It says trade. And even for an impact trade, there are endless possibilities that don't involve Knies, including the multiple impact trades we saw this deadline. There's enough chaos right now. We don't need people spreading false information that they have no evidence of.

Here is your evidence

Report: Brendan Shanahan blocked Marc-Andre Fleury trade to Leafs

What a move this would have been.

www.hockeyfeed.com

 

[Dekes For Days]

Here is your evidence

Report: Brendan Shanahan blocked Marc-Andre Fleury trade to Leafs

What a move this would have been.

www.hockeyfeed.com

It you actually find some evidence, that would be great to see, but not only does nowhere in the actual article say that Shanahan blocked it, but the whole thing seems to just be a reposted article discussing Dreger's tweet from last year on Chicago's reported offer.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Here is your evidence

Report: Brendan Shanahan blocked Marc-Andre Fleury trade to Leafs

What a move this would have been.

www.hockeyfeed.com

That is not evidence. The only mention of Shannahan is in the title.

 

[Notsince67]

It you actually find some evidence, that would be great to see, but not only does nowhere in the actual article say that Shanahan blocked it, but the whole thing seems to just be a reposted article discussing Dreger's tweet from last year on Chicago's reported offer.

You night not like the evidence but it is evidence contrary to your statement.
I already said that I won't die on this hill but the speculation is fair. You seemed slightly impaired in your open mindedness on the matter

That is not evidence. The only mention of Shannahan is in the title.

It is evidence. If you are claiming it's bad evidence, that is a different thing. I'm not trying to prove anything other than suggest it is quite possible it happened.
Dubas worshippers can never seem to acknowledge that the man has made mistakes.

 

[Leaf Fans]

You night not like the evidence but it is evidence contrary to your statement.
I already said that I won't die on this hill but the speculation is fair. You seemed slightly impaired in your open mindedness on the matter


It is evidence. If you are claiming it's bad evidence, that is a different thing. I'm not trying to prove anything other than suggest it is quite possible it happened.
Dubas worshippers can never seem to acknowledge that the man has made mistakes.

No, it is not evidence regardless of my personal feelings about it. Besides, I don't have any personal feelings about it either way. Sure, it is possible. It is just not evidence.

 

[Notsince67]

No, it is not evidence regardless of my personal feelings about it. Besides, I don't have any personal feelings about it either way. Sure, it is possible. It is just not evidence.

It is more a true statement that it is weak evidence that the claim that there is no evidence, which is my point.

 

[Nineteen67]

I mean, he's just telling us what he heard, not pretending he was on the phone with Shanny shooting the breeze about blocking Kyle's trades. That's what these guys do. Then you get to judge for yourself.

Wouldn't think he would know the trade(s) being hypothetically spoken of. Too specific leads back to source, source wants anonymity.

Bingo.
Depending on the story everyone’s opinion is based on what they want to hear.
Information = Bad
Conformation = Good

 

[Anthrax442]

Most good deals in sport never happen.

 

[DarkKnight]

Most good deals in sport never happen.

Like the Aki Berg for Joe Sakic trade that almost was, stupid fax machine.

 

[LeafSteel]

If the trade was:
To Toronto:
Hagel
Fleury

To Chicago:
Knies
Mrazek
1st round pick
1st round pick

.... then I say thank goodness Shanahan put the kibosh to it, and saved us from a dumb, short-sighted trade. It only validates that Dubas is fine for digging up projects like Timmins but made questionable trades.

God, it's been less than a week and I am already sick of hearing Dubas' name and seeing his face everywhere. Toronto made him more than he is, and anywhere else he's just a faceless executive.

I can't wait for him to find somewhere else and we can go on living without him. The media is becoming unbearable pushing this guy down our throats.

He's no Leaf Legend and his time here is a mixed bag. Stop acting like he's some generational executive talent, because he isn't and I have no doubt anywhere he lands, he will go back to being a faceless executive.

Honestly getting pissed off at the disruption he's caused here during a pivotal time in the season, after another season of delivering nothing.

He blew it here, and I have no care for what he does afterwards.

 

[Peasy]

These types of articles and journalism is just straight up pathetic. 100% hypothetical article to just generate clicks and views. Out of ALL the trades Dubas made, youre now trying to gaslight me into thinking the ones he DIDNT get to make were going to somehow bring us to the cup finals or some shit?

Get out of here.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Kyle Dubas' unceremonious exit, the profile of a GM replacement, and the path moving forward for the Maple Leafs

The dust has begun to settle since Brendan Shanahan called a Friday afternoon press conference ahead of a long weekend and announced that Kyle Dubas will not be returning as General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs. The fallout has been fascinating to follow. Fans and media alike have bounced...

mapleleafshotstove.com

On the note about talent, it is important to point out that there are good candidates available, and Kyle Dubas is not coming off of some sort of infallible tenure in Toronto. He oversaw the age-20-to-25 years of Matthews’ and age-21-to-26 years of Marner’s careers, and they won one playoff series in that time. Yes, he had good moments and trade deadlines, and the team was generally successful in the regular season, but he would – and did – tell us that the goal was to win the Cup. They never came close at playoff time.

This could be an offseason that calls for a big trade, and that is not an area where Kyle Dubas has exactly thrived, particularly in the offseason. Last summer, his trade of note was acquiring Matt Murray (which so far has worked out as many critics predicted). The last time he traded a player of significance in the offseason it was Nazem Kadri (a clear miss). His other offseason trades were largely cap dumps where he paid up to move on from Petr Mrazek, Nikita Zaitsev, Patrick Marleau, Matt Martin, and Kasperi Kapanen.

We’ve said this before, but his best trade (made midseason) was probably acquiring Jake Muzzin, who was great when healthy, but he paid a big price and it’s a trade LA probably does over again (which doesn’t make it a poor move; it just makes it a trade where he paid a premium to acquire a good player, which is different than winning a trade based on the exchange of value).

There is very little in Dubas’ trade history to suggest he’s the absolute best person to make a move of significance this offseason. Outside of the deals mentioned, once John Tavares signed to start his tenure, his offseason work largely consisted of bargain-bin signings in free agency and TJ Brodie.

The rumoured trade that he vetoed – Petr Mrazek and Matthew Knies for Brandon Hagel and Marc Andre Fleury – is certainly not a slam dunk either way. Hagel was really good this season and helped push Tampa over the Leafs last spring. Perhaps that would have been enough to swing the 2022 playoff series in favour of the Leafs. Perhaps Knies becomes a star for years to come. Time will tell, but if we believe that trade framework to be true, Shanahan vetoing it doesn’t exactly come across as out of touch or as the work of someone we wouldn’t want involved in the decision-making process. It is also completely normal for a GM to run trades by the President, and part of that process could involve convincing the person above them to sign off on the deal. This is not an abnormal reporting structure.

 

[horner]

What trades were blocked?


DUBAS actually did pretty good in the TDL and got some good key pieces without giving up too much.

DUBAS downfall IMO was his contract negotiations, he didn't do too bad when it came to trades especially this lastest TDL.

Maybe DUBAS was REALLY trying to swing for the fences and was going to go all out and trade away our farm.


In hindsight seeing how this team performed AGAIN with no back bone... It wouldn't really matter IMO. This team is butter soft and not built for playoffs. Aside from Schenn, Accarai, O'Reilly, McCabe, Reilly..... There was no push back physically...

This team played like they liked to win but didn't play like they hated to lose. Plain and simple.

DUBAS wanted to come back with more money and more power without any real results prior to that would be setting a bad example throughout the whole franchise and one that was already planted early on with the free big money contracts given out without them even proving they earned or deserved it.

His biggest mistake was not firing Keefe
Laviolette would have been a great choice . I hope he is our next coach.