Prospect Info: The Athletic ranks Rangers as 11th best system

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

That's pretty much been the story of the Rangers franchise throughout this whole peak and is the reason we didn't win a Cup. A deep roster that lacked true differencemakers at the top to put us over.

It's not a good thing.

I would feel a lot better about the state of the Rangers with say Pettersson instead of Lias

I hear you, and would agree — IF it didn’t mean we likely wouldn’t have Chytil, whom I think can be as good or better than Pettersson.

Now, if we could somehow have finegeled Pettersson AND Chytil, or somehow, somehow Pettersson, Chytil, AND Andersson...

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Gotta say, I’m pretty happy with Chytil and Andersson. Get me one more multi-1st-rd-pick draft and we’re good to go.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

That's pretty much been the story of the Rangers franchise throughout this whole peak and is the reason we didn't win a Cup. A deep roster that lacked true differencemakers at the top to put us over.

It's not a good thing.

I would feel a lot better about the state of the Rangers with say Pettersson instead of Lias

I think they’re better set up this go around compared to last time, I think Chytil and Kravtsov are about as good or better than any prospect they’ve had in a long time (except Cherapanov). And on top of that they’ve got a few more guys to sell off and another draft where I think they’ll have 2+ first rounders again with one of them probably going to be pretty high up there. The depth of likely NHL players is nice because they’ll be able to package some of them for better players in positions of need some point down the line.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Yes, I’d agree with that and think that’s very fair. I could actually see us cranking out some solid second pairing guys. I only added top-4 because I think Hajek can hit that, but I’m biased when it comes to him.

I think eventually we are going to have to package some of these middle pairing guys for some higher end players, sort of like Tampa did in trading for McDonagh.

If we are going to work with the assumption that Skjei and Pionk are middle pairing guys, that doesn't leave room for another four middle pairing guys, so between Hajek, Rykov, Lundkvist, Miller, Lindgren, some of those guys might be moved. And its likely not all of them will even turn into NHL'ers, but the way I see it, at least 1 or 2 of those guys will have to be traded.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I assume our system should be higher, like 7th or 8th best.

 

[Good Intentions]

I assume our system should be higher, like 7th or 8th best.

Aside from the fact this isn’t a propery constructed sentence, why do you ‘assume’ the ranking should be ‘like 7th or 8th’ ?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Flyers fans are really misbehaving because this guy put them 12th.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That's pretty much been the story of the Rangers franchise throughout this whole peak and is the reason we didn't win a Cup. A deep roster that lacked true differencemakers at the top to put us over.

It's not a good thing.

I would feel a lot better about the state of the Rangers with say Pettersson instead of Lias

And I would feel a lot better about the Rangers if we had Kucherov, Doughty and McDavid instead of Buchnevich, DeAngelo and Hayes.

 

[Inferno]

I do wonder if the rangers are going to try to replicate what they did last time to make us a strong contender year in and year out...

Draft a metric ton of very good but not great players...trade them for that we hope are elite players, and sign ufa (what we hope are) elite players.

The trade for Nash, staal, yandle, etc....signing Gomez, Drury, shanny, redden, richards, Gabby, Boyle, etc

I guess we'll see.

 

[ecemleafs]

I do wonder if the rangers are going to try to replicate what they did last time to make us a strong contender year in and year out...

Draft a metric ton of very good but not great players...trade them for that we hope are elite players, and sign ufa (what we hope are) elite players.

The trade for Nash, staal, yandle, etc....signing Gomez, Drury, shanny, redden, richards, Gabby, Boyle, etc

I guess we'll see.

idk...i think they swung for the fences with kravtsov and chytil in back to back drafts.

 

[haohmaru]

Aside from the fact this isn’t a propery constructed sentence, why do you ‘assume’ the ranking should be ‘like 7th or 8th’ ?

Assume is definitely the wrong word to use.

 

[haohmaru]

idk...i think they swung for the fences with kravtsov and chytil in back to back drafts.

The swing for the fences was the goalie in the 2nd round, not Chytil and Kravtsov.

 

[kovazub94]

The swing for the fences was the goalie in the 2nd round, not Chytil and Kravtsov.

That was a bunt.

 

[Inferno]

That was a bunt.

Felt more like an out for batting out of order.

 

[kovazub94]

Felt more like an out for batting out of order.

We will need 3-4 years to call it an out if Lindbom fails.

 

[LORDE]

I do wonder if the rangers are going to try to replicate what they did last time to make us a strong contender year in and year out...

Draft a metric ton of very good but not great players...trade them for that we hope are elite players, and sign ufa (what we hope are) elite players.

The trade for Nash, staal, yandle, etc....signing Gomez, Drury, shanny, redden, richards, Gabby, Boyle, etc

I guess we'll see.

It always felt like a rush job to get the “team” caught up to Hank... we didn’t have the pieces to make it really work and were always trying to shortcut our way home (at times getting lost in East St. Louis... “kids are you noticing all this plight?”)

This time around it feels like they’re building a REAL & SOLID foundation hoping that the elite pieces come through the draft in unison and that UFAs will be used to complete the puzzle instead of propping us up.

Maybe I’m just being overly hopeful.

 

[Inferno]

It always felt like a rush job to get the “team” caught up to Hank... we didn’t have the pieces to make it really work and were always trying to shortcut our way home (at times getting lost in East St. Louis... “kids are you noticing all this plight?”)

This time around it feels like they’re building a REAL & SOLID foundation hoping that the elite pieces come through the draft in unison and that UFAs will be used to complete the puzzle instead of propping us up.

Maybe I’m just being overly hopeful.

Yeah it's kinda hard to tell at this point...they have swung for the fences more this go round so clearly they want some home grown foundational pieces. With that said it still feels like, I'd they're not allowing themselves to bottom out, that they may be hoping the allire of NYC will help them gain the elite top end players that they may not be able to draft, and instead us the draft to fill in around them. One of the worst things you can do is use u.f.a to fill out your middle 6...those guys always get overpaid on the market.

 

[Vitto79]

Lindgren ranked low no?
I’m more interested in the Hartford D this yr

 

[Tawnos]

I do wonder if the rangers are going to try to replicate what they did last time to make us a strong contender year in and year out...

Draft a metric ton of very good but not great players...trade them for that we hope are elite players, and sign ufa (what we hope are) elite players.

The trade for Nash, staal, yandle, etc....signing Gomez, Drury, shanny, redden, richards, Gabby, Boyle, etc

I guess we'll see.

I don't think their aim was to draft a metric ton of "good players" last time. It was just a metric ton of players. Frankly, that's the only way to get great players without drafting at the very top of the draft, which also isn't effective as often as it isn't.

The Rangers are just unlucky in how their players have developed. Just as an example. One of our 2nd round picks became a very good and solid defensive specialist 1C. One of Boston's 2nd round picks became great and an elite Selke-caliber 1C. The Rangers, since the 04 lockout, have never had something like that happen. On their respective draft days, what was the real difference between Stepan and Bergeron?

 

[tradenashnow]

Actually not as bad as I thought it would be. I only disagree with the following:

- I'd have Hajek and Lundkvist as legit NHL prospects rather than merely "having a chance"

-Lindgren should be one category higher in the "has a chance" category rather than a depth piece.

-Actually think Miller should be bumped down from legit prospect to has a chance. I think the potential is there for him to be a great prospect, but he's proven very little so far as a defenseman. If he has a good year at Wisconsin I will agree, but to me honestly, Lundkvist is the safer bet to be an NHL'er over Miller.

Pronman is a moron. All you had to do is read his crap about Lundkvist and Hajek to realize he's a buffoon. Said it for years. There is a huge, small market, chip on the shoulder, anti-NY bias when talking about Rangers players and prospects. I remember the days where Callahan, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Girardi, Stepan and Hagelin were treated like they were garbage by clowns like this. Not even given any respect as legit, NHL prospects. Skjei wasn't even ranked as a top 70 prospect by most places I saw. Chytil was called a huge reach last year. So much for that.

Considering the amount of playoff games the Rangers have won the past 8 years compared to most other organizations, I think they know what they are doing. That with Clark being given few draft picks to work with.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Pronman also stated he would have had Chytil ranked in the 8-10 range had he been in this past draft.

 

[Matz03]

The Rangers are just unlucky in how their players have developed. Just as an example. One of our 2nd round picks became a very good and solid defensive specialist 1C. One of Boston's 2nd round picks became great and an elite Selke-caliber 1C. The Rangers, since the 04 lockout, have never had something like that happen. On their respective draft days, what was the real difference between Stepan and Bergeron?

I don’t think it’s bad luck, if it was they wouldn’t have found Hank in the 7th, and some of the other good depth players in rounds 3 and up. They’ve been missing on the high end talent in rounds 1 & 2 by consistently thinking they are smarter than everyone else and going off the board. Sure they’ve found nhl players with their picks but far too often passed on consensus Bpa and later proven to have reached.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I think eventually we are going to have to package some of these middle pairing guys for some higher end players, sort of like Tampa did in trading for McDonagh.

If we are going to work with the assumption that Skjei and Pionk are middle pairing guys, that doesn't leave room for another four middle pairing guys, so between Hajek, Rykov, Lundkvist, Miller, Lindgren, some of those guys might be moved. And its likely not all of them will even turn into NHL'ers, but the way I see it, at least 1 or 2 of those guys will have to be traded.

Eh, maybe. It’s also possible that they try building a well-rounded defensive corps to accompany a better forward group. They’ve been their most successful with good defensive depth on all three pairings. I also see some of these guys having higher ceilings than you’re projecting.

 

[Tawnos]

I don’t think it’s bad luck, if it was they wouldn’t have found Hank in the 7th, and some of the other good depth players in rounds 3 and up. They’ve been missing on the high end talent in rounds 1 & 2 by consistently thinking they are smarter than everyone else and going off the board. Sure they’ve found nhl players with their picks but far too often passed on consensus Bpa and later proven to have reached.

Every single organization does this from time to time. No, I think you're completely wrong. For one thing, their reaches are vastly outnumbered by their standard picks. In the Sather era, you're really talking about Jessiman and McIlrath. Maybe Montoya. Meanwhile, they've drafted Korpikoski, Staal, Sanguinetti, Del Zotto, Cherepanov, Kreider, Miller, and Skjei in reasonable slots. And all 5 of Gorton's firsts came at reasonable times, but it's too early to know what we have. The Rangers drafted Del Zotto in the same range that the Senators drafted Karlsson. They drafted Staal in the same range the Canadiens drafted McDonagh (which we benefitted from).

They got lucky with Hank in the 7th. Them being unlucky with some picks doesn't mean they weren't lucky with others. It's not binary for the whole organization.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Korpikoski was a pretty big reach, and I think we traded up as well. Andersson was considered a reach and so was Kravtsov.

yes we did trade up to get Korpikoski: Traded 2004 first round pick (#24-Kris Chucko), 2004 second round pick (#46-Adam Pineault) to Flames for 2004 first round pick (#19-Lauri Korpikoski), 2004 eighth round pick (#247-Jonathan Paiement) on 2004-06-25

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Korpikoski was a pretty big reach, and I think we traded up as well. Andersson was considered a reach and so was Kravtsov.

That's what happens when players rise during their draft year. Chytil was actually a reach. Andersson and Kravtsov not so much.