Nah. It should be Buffalo, 13 years without a playoff appearance it can't be anybody but them.
There is no legitimate argument for anybody but them
Doesn't matter that it's not the same management group.
13 years is 13 years they should be last.
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Nah. It should be Buffalo, 13 years without a playoff appearance it can't be anybody but them.
There is no legitimate argument for anybody but them
Doesn't matter that it's not the same management group.
13 years is 13 years they should be last.
Considering the poll is literally on current management groups, yes it f***ing matters.
Considering the poll is literally on current management groups, yes it f***ing matters.
Even if you wanted to stick to the current management group they haven't done shit either except trade top prospects for 3rd line centers, and 2nd rounders for 4th line grinders.
Tremendous management group.
It’s a fan survey. Maybe the fans should be embarrassed that that’s their take on their team?
That and sign their core players to max term deals on solid cap hits.
Which certainly beats massively overpaying them for mid-term deals and blowing your contention window, like some other organization does....
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Yeah, Toronto is always on the bottom of these lists for obvious reasons. Ottawa and Buffalo have absolutely no business being above Toronto. I'd put them somewhere in the 15-20 ish range, even 25, 3rd worst is eh pretty inaccurate.
Golden_Jet
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If you don’t like the results, then should be blaming leafs fans. The public vote was a couple of spots better than the leafs fan vote.
Seems like leaf fans didn’t read the article, or don’t subscribe.
Voting is based on,
Each front office is graded in six categories: roster building, cap management, drafting and development, trading, free agency and vision.
This year’s edition saw nearly 10,000 responses from fans grading their favorite teams and 250 responses grading every team.
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The disconnect on Calgary between Flames fans and other fans is pretty interesting. I was surprised they were so low until I saw it was a fan poll. Conroy is a breath of fresh air after Tre.
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You guys... this is a fan poll. Your beef is with 1000's of fan's rankings of their own (and other) management groups.
Finally! Someone who makes sense!
The most interesting thing(s) in the article is the disconnect between public and fan perception. For example Rangers fans are way harder on their team than the other fans. Avs fans know that their team is struggling to draft/develop well, but the public doesn't. Sharks fans are pretty excited but the rest of the world doesn't see it yet. And so on.
My hopes are moderate that we can avoid too many more "X team should be below Y" comments because they are senseless.
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One of those teams is top 10 every year, the other is bottom 10 most years
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Hard to take much from the public voting, as it’s only 2.5% of the fans voting on their own team.
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Look inward boss, the rankings are this way because Leafs fans are perpetually depressed lol. Just like in Montreal, they can win a game 6-1 and there will be a one hour segment on TSN 1050 the next day complaining about Willy's back check on the GA
One of these teams has made the Conference Finals in the Cap Era. The other has not.
One of these teams has made the Stanley Cup Finals in the last 50 years. The other has not.
You keep crying about a fan poll where your own peers said they're not confident in their management. I wonder why? You're supposed to have one of the top core groups in the league and have won less games outside the first round in the ENTIRE CAP ERA than SEATTLE because your management sucks.
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i love what our management has done so far but selling is always easier will see how they do once its time to buy and compete for that cup
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But is it not basically just a conduit for the fans of the team? I don't think it's unreasonable, Leafs have not met expectations for nearly a decade straight now and their fans have blinders on... speak with virtually any boomer Leaf fan, they are so jaded by years of the Leafs disappointing for so long that they can't appreciate the most talented team they've had, maybe ever?
I mean they do already have virtually their entire core locked up so the foundation is there but yeah, the confidence is predicated on a whole lot of "what ifs" one of which probably being adding a truly elite forward in the next two years
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"These players were good at one point, but aren't anymore/will age horribly, but I'll just ignore that! *yawn*"
Detroit has continuously improved every year Yzerman has been there.
Toronto has won one playoff series in the last 20+ years despite being thought of as a Cup favorite for the last 5+ years.
Really hard to see why fans of one team may be more optimistic than the other lol.
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Yup, it's literally "what so far hasn't worked" vs "what could be" and if I'm being honest, there's a higher probability Detroit or Buffalo or whoever won't have the sustained success (relative) Toronto has had than that they will. But potential is one hell of a drug lol
As far as Detroit goes though, after this past year and offseason I'd be a little shakier on Yzerman
Indeed…Was this poll taken before or after Stamkos signed with Nashville?
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Athletic didn't do the ranking, it's a fan poll. Probably should've mentioned that in the OP.What !!! the Athletic putting Habs good in somethingi though Suzuki was the worst contract in the league ...
They haven't met expectations which is why they should be middle of the pack.
They make the playoffs every year, they are top 10 almost every year, but come playoff time they haven't met expectations So they should be 13-17 not 30th.
The teams I mentioned some of them are closing in a decade without playoffs, and in Buffalo's case they are working on their 2nd decade, they have a ways to go but they are working on it.
I'm not, cooper is still there.
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You're glazing over the point that it's YOUR TEAM'S FANS that are expressing this sentiment. There is no one to blame but yourselves. The call is coming from inside the house.
The expectations that you set on a year to year basis also impact the way your results are interpreted.
If you say you're going to run a marathon and finish in like 8th place, you're the man
If you insist you're going to win the marathon for weeks and finish in 8th... total loser
While that was a bad look I think overall the moves they made this summer give more reason to have hope for their future. Feels like they took some measure against a massive drop off
Certain fans are starting to sour on Yzerman, but I'd bet those are a lot of the fans who were pounding the table last year that we need to trade for Helle or Karlsson.
I don't think ownership will sour on Yzerman unless his draft picks start failing. He's been repeating himself since day one that it's going to take time, they're not just trying to build a decent team that can make the playoffs, and that they have to build through the draft. So if his picks start underwhelming, that's where he's f***ed.
Good news for him is all his first round picks are coming along nicely. Bad news is they don't really seem to have a forward outside Raymond with bona fide elite potential. Danielson could get there if his offensive game is underrated as some suspect. He exploded when he got traded to Portland.
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It's amazing how many people in this thread seem to think that this list should just be the standings in order.
