I think Nathan Horton would beg to differ with your 'easy to play against in 2011' comment.
I agree absolutely with your analysis of poor gap control. Poor gap control, however, is often a symptom of being too soft on the D core.
The Armchair GM Thread - Part XXXIII
- Thread starter Tiranis
- Start date
- Status
I think Nathan Horton would beg to differ with your 'easy to play against in 2011' comment.
I agree absolutely with your analysis of poor gap control. Poor gap control, however, is often a symptom of being too soft on the D core.
That trade is awful from CBJ's perspective.
Unless CBJ is rebuilding in which case they win contract dump wise.
One of Canucks' "assets" unlike many teams is they make money, trading for 1 big buyout candidate and unloading 2 marginal (buyout) ones makes sense for us as we can get an asset in return (Brassard) and save one of our buyout options...
Now if CBJ think JJ still has value, what about Heatley and Setoguchi?
Bleach Clean
Registered User
- Aug 9, 2006
- 27,473
- 7,175
There is no money, is what I'm saying. To upgrade either at forward or defense, is to need good prospects pushing from within. That's the only way. 64.3m cap ensures no big upgrades are coming to this team from "established" NHL talent. Unless Gillis absolutely fleeces a rival GM. No, the main thrust will have to come from prospects. Not the Subbans, Myers and Bufugliens of he world who are already getting paid high salaries. It's not sustainable under this cap, and it will cost the team big time up front to hold it together. Unrealistic.
y2kcanucks
Better than you
According to Bob McKenzie, Corey Perry will not re-sign in Anaheim. He would definitely be my number 1 target either at the trade deadline or on July 1.
It's really sad that DiPietro has had to battle so much adversity and negativity, but that's a terrible reason to sign a player.
vanuck
Now with 100% less Benning!
- Dec 28, 2009
- 16,815
- 4,074
Not for me, in the Canucks case their D is at its best when their gap is tight, and they can hold their own blueline. This requires forwards to buy in and apply the back pressure.
Game 1 against Chicago in the 2011 playoffs was an immaculate performance that shows exactly this.
About Horton, meh, we also had Christian 'skate right past me and cut to the net' Ehrhoff on that blueline.
iamtherunner
Registered User
Can you show a source for this? Not saying it's not true I'd just like to see what he said.
y2kcanucks
Better than you
How much would you be willing to offer him July 1st?
I also think Vancouver is an easier to sell to Perry if Lu is our goalie moving forward (they seem quite chummy during games, and were seen together often in the 2010 Olympics).
y2kcanucks
Better than you
Pretty much whatever it takes. Ideally I'd like to get him signed for $7M per year on a long-term deal (7 years?) because if we go any higher it would get quite tight. Hell even $7M is tight, but do-able.
If we keep Luongo, and sign Perry to that contract this is where we are at:
Sedin (6.1) - Sedin (6.1) - Kassian (0.870)
Burrows (4.5) - Kesler (5) - Perry (7)
Jensen (0.894) - Schroeder (1*) - Hansen (1.35)
4th Line LW (0.65) - Lapierre (1*) - Weise (0.700*)
Spare (0.65)
Offense: $35.814
Hamhuis (4.5) - Bieksa (4.6)
Edler (5) - Tanev (1.50*)
Garrison (4.6) - Corrado (0.600)
Spare (0.700) - Spare (0.600)
Defense: $22.1
Luongo (5.33)
Lack (0.75)
Team: $63.994
It'd be very tight, but do-able.
deadinthewater
Registered User
- Jan 14, 2012
- 10,069
- 520
How so? Seems perfectly fine to me. The only concern is Corrado as the 6th D and whether he's ready but that's about it.
HAMMY5
Registered User
Your going to sign a guy to 7 mill .. and have him play second line? under an unproven Kassian who has started to struggle lol
deadinthewater
Registered User
- Jan 14, 2012
- 10,069
- 520
Kassian (unproven) with the Sedins won't work, two youngsters on the third line (who knows how that will work out; who knows if Jensen will be ready), and the last D pairing. And last but not least, Kesler/Perry... looks good on paper but who's going to do the passing?
deadinthewater
Registered User
- Jan 14, 2012
- 10,069
- 520
y2k is probably the least biased person when it comes to Kassian. The effect that Perry will have on the 1st line is marginal compared to the effect he will have on the 2nd line. The Sedins won't become 130 point players just because he's on their line so maybe you're getting 10 extra goals on the season from that line but you're getting 25+ less from the 2nd.
How is Kassian unproven? It will be his 3rd NHL season and he looked good with them this season. Schroeder will have 40+ NHL games under his belt and is solid defensively. So Jensen is the one rookie. Last pairing has Garrison — he should be able to carry a solid prospect like Corrado.
Lastly, I'm questioning whether you've seen Perry play or not. Is it a perfect line-up? No. But worse than this year's? Don't make me laugh.
I would only trade for an upcoming UFA if we can easily afford to re-sign that player, or if that player doesn't cost a lot of acquire.
Getting Perry will kill our already weak prospect pool, and there is no way we could re-sign him without killing our depth.
Getting Perry will kill our already weak prospect pool, and there is no way we could re-sign him without killing our depth.
We are in total agreement on GAP control. Too many people think it's the gap between the opposing teams' players. It's refreshing to read someone who understands it's the GAP between back-checking forwards and collapsing D. However, D (who don't like to get pounded on dump-ins) back up too quickly to avoid the pounding. Therefore, creating the GAP, no matter how hard their forwards try to back-check. The current Canuck's D has this issue, except Tanev. Edler is the worst of the offenders.
deadinthewater
Registered User
- Jan 14, 2012
- 10,069
- 520
I have seen Perry play, and there's no doubt in my mind he's a fantastic player. All I am saying is that gutting depth always seems to kill teams in the end (ie. Rangers).
And I still don't think Kassian is ready for top 6 minutes yet, let alone the first line. Didn't intend to "make you laugh."
Last edited:
Here you go.
What arsmaster said made complete sense and he understands what gap control is. What you replied with made exactly zero sense.
- Status
