GDT: The Annual "I've Made a Huge Mistake" Thread: Free Agent Frenzy 2015

Francis10

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Both are worth more at the deadline. Which most folks have been saying all along.

True. Hope you guys are right. If we are gonna blow it up, let's really blow it all the F up.

Wasting 2.3M per year on Semin is still a tough pill to swallow IMO. If we are gonna suck anyways, should have given him a chance to regain old skill (maybe) and then flipped him and all his salary next year or 2016 for anything.
 

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I'm still not sure if the team will re-sign Staal or Ward or both when the time comes, and if they do, I'm still not sure that's necessarily a bad thing. Yes, it's difficult to rebuild when you've still got pieces of the old core.

But at the same time, we've seen, in Edmonton, what happens when you've got a bunch of young pieces and no real veteran leadership to guide them. We've seen what happens when you're a rebuilding team, but don't have a #1 C or a starting goaltender as part of the team. It gets really ugly and it pretty much halts any rebuild until you can find both.

And I get the whole "blow it up" thing. I really do. But even Buffalo, who everyone agrees "blew it up", kept around a few veterans to guide the team. Unless I'm mistaken, Gionta was part of their team last year. Gorges was part of their team. Stafford was a piece of the "old core" they kept around.
 

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Personally, I don’t think the Canes are too far away. They’re not ready to win right now, but I do see light at the end of the tunnel. Most of the pieces are in place, if the Staals are indeed part of the long-term solution. E. Staal, J. Staal, Lindholm, Skinner (or an equivalent forward), Rask, Hanifin, Faulk, Fleury, Murphy and Lack is pretty good, if things pan out like I think they will. Add in a high end forward prospect they should be able to draft with their 1st next June, and I could see that group being the foundation of a consistent playoff team in and through E. Staal’s mid-30s.

It’s interesting to note that there’s not a whole lot on the books for 2016-2017. Based on the numbers from General Fanager, the Canes are on the hook for just $27.383 mil in one-way contracts and Semin's buyout for 16-17. Much of that budget space will go towards re-signing Lindholm, Rask and Murphy, and presumably new contracts for E. Staal and Lack. Even still, GMRF should have some financial flexibility to go out and add a piece or two next summer via free agency. The Canes could be a bit of a player this time next year.
 

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I'd bet the name of my first born son they keep Staal.

Ward is iffy though. Especially if lack takes over as starter.
 

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Ward and Staal can both still be parts of the rebuild//retool.

Staal especially, since he's only 30.

Priority #1, imo anyway, should be resigning Läck. Maybe, the same one he apparently asked for in Vancouver.
 

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What's interesting is the moves thus far seem to follow exactly what RF has stated he's wanted to do with the team since he took over: Build for the future.

If the goal is to rebuild, then the organization did exactly what they needed to do thus far. They cut their most expensive "luxury item" player, since if they don't plan on competing, they should not compete as cheaply as possible. Today, they signed their young players to new, relatively cheap deals, grabbed a couple depth pieces, and didn't do anything stupid by overpaying for the "Shiny new free agents." And yes, today (surprisingly), no one really overpaid. But if the belief is that having Semin on the roster for the next 3 years wouldn't accomplish much, why would they sign Vermette or Comeau instead?

But somehow, despite announcing his plans last year, and again in this offseason, there's comments about a supposed "lack of direction" and outrage over how they didn't sign anybody. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's entertaining as hell to read. But for all the trash we talk about Facebook (and it's usually justified), this board can be just as dense sometimes.

With that all being said, the less time Karmanos spends in front of the camera over the next few years, the better off everyone will be.

Its ironic that you're calling others dense when the Semin financials have been explained to you multiple times. All of the supposed off-ice issues aside, the only thing it did is save PK money if its not going to be re-spent. Well I guess you can make an argument for it already going to Wiz, Terry, and Nash but I'd still bet on this payroll being less than last year.

The problem isn't what they didn't do. I've been vocal about how mediocre this UFA class is and there are very few deals of which I am jealous. It's about how it's being sold and how you're buying it. "Grabbed a couple depth pieces", like waiting to re-sign their own players on July 1, then saying how much better they are than last year? By what standard is that possibly true. That PC was about as familiar as it could be.
 

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I don't see why it is a given that Staal would be worth more at the TDL than now.

The only recent example I can think of is Vanek. He was worth significantly more at the beginning of the season than at the deadline. There is also the possibility of injury in which Staal would be worth zero at the deadline.
 

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I don't see why it is a given that Staal would be worth more at the TDL than now.

The only recent example I can think of is Vanek. He was worth significantly more at the beginning of the season than at the deadline. There is also the possibility of injury in which Staal would be worth zero at the deadline.

Salary / cap could be a reason. Right now, it may be too tough for some teams to accept, but most teams could find a way to make it work at the deadline if they wanted.
 

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Salary / cap could be a reason. Right now, it may be too tough for some teams to accept, but most teams could find a way to make it work at the deadline if they wanted.

But the teams with better prospect pools and likely higher 1st Round picks are the ones that could afford him now. Nashville is a team that was publicly linked to him and has $22 million in space.
 

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But the teams with better prospect pools and likely higher 1st Round picks are the ones that could afford him now. Nashville is a team that was publicly linked to him and has $22 million in space.

Maybe, but teams with likely higher 1st round picks aren't likely trading for 1 year of Staal right now. If he was to be traded today, any 1st round pick is more likely than not to be a later 1st round pick. Even if Nashville has room, I'd guess there aren't many more which could work to keep value down.

I think the point is moot though. If the Canes trade Staal now for picks/prospects, they are signalling that they have given up on the season before it started. I don't see that happening, but I could see it at the deadline if they are out of it.
 

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“We didn't buy him out to save cap space or anything like that. We bought him out because he was a distraction, he wasn't going to perform and we wanted to get on to building a team that could win.â€

You can choose to believe that or not I suppose.
 

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Any gains by waiting to the deadline could be offset by the worse draft position we'd have every round by having Staal in the lineup for a majority of the year. Sometimes its the difference between Lindholm and Jones. If you were a greedy man you'd probably wait till people get suckered into season tickets/packages.
 

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“We didn't buy him out to save cap space or anything like that. We bought him out because he was a distraction, he wasn't going to perform and we wanted to get on to building a team that could win.â€

You can choose to believe that or not I suppose.

Character, heart, will, leadership and compete level are myths. They cannot be measured. Therefore they cannot exist.
 

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Rutherford, now the Penguins GM, made perhaps the biggest NHL splash Wednesday, completing a trade that brought Toronto Maple Leafs forward Phil Kessel to Pittsburgh. That also earned a mention from Karmanos, who quipped, “I do not have to take responsibility for Pittsburgh signing Kessel.

“Pittsburgh has no first-round picks anymore,” he added. “They traded their first-round pick from the year before, they traded their first-round pick for this year and now they've traded their first-round pick for next year. But they have Kessel, who may score as many goals as Alex Semin did.”

That is also a thing PK said at the PC yesterday, for those who missed it. No, Phil Kessel will probably score 40 goals on that team. PK knows **** all about hockey.
 

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That is also a thing PK said at the PC yesterday, for those who missed it. No, Phil Kessel will probably score 40 goals on that team. PK knows **** all about hockey.

I think he knows plenty about hockey, but more and more it appears his age is showing. I wouldn't be surprised if he has early stage *something* - quite often he makes no sense, and almost talks himself into saying something, if you know what I mean. He means to say one thing, but by the end of it, he manages to get the meaning completely wrong.

He shouldn't be doing press conferences.
 

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That is also a thing PK said at the PC yesterday, for those who missed it. No, Phil Kessel will probably score 40 goals on that team. PK knows **** all about hockey.

This is irrelevant to your main point, so don't think I'm disputing that:

Did anyone realize Phil Kessel has never scored 40 goals in a season? I feel like I've seen or heard him referred to as a "40 goal guy" repeatedly despite that never actually happening. Maybe that was just in my own head.
 

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^ Well, he's scored 37 in 82 twice and 36 in 70 once (and two other years with a 35+ pace had he played all 82, one being the lockout season), so he's definitely got the potential for it. I think that's close enough for that label.

I think he knows plenty about hockey, but more and more it appears his age is showing. I wouldn't be surprised if he has early stage *something* - quite often he makes no sense, and almost talks himself into saying something, if you know what I mean. He means to say one thing, but by the end of it, he manages to get the meaning completely wrong.

He shouldn't be doing press conferences.

Plus, having a rather smug personality probably doesn't help.
 

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^ Well, he's scored 37 in 82 twice and 36 in 70 once (and two other years with a 35+ pace had he played all 82, one being the lockout season), so he's definitely got the potential for it. I think that's close enough for that label.

I'm not disputing he's a great goal scorer, I just find it odd that you can be "close enough" for a label without ever actually achieving it. **** if a guy scored 48 goals a year 8 years in a row, no one would call him a 50 goal guy because of what a big deal 50 is.
 

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I'm not disputing he's a great goal scorer, I just find it odd that you can be "close enough" for a label without ever actually achieving it. **** if a guy scored 48 goals a year 8 years in a row, no one would call him a 50 goal guy because of what a big deal 50 is.

People get so fixated on round numbers (6 feet tall being the main culprit), but ultimately they don't really mean much more than aesthetics. I mean, it's basically semantics. He's a a 37-goal scorer with the potential for 40+.
 

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I think that is a silly thing to nitpick.

Yes, he has only ever scored 37, but I think he just might be capable of those extra 3 goals with Crosby as his Center rather than Bozak.
 

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PK nonsense aside, Ron Francis echoed a lot of the sentiments on Semin not putting in the work. Ron doesn't strike me as the knee jerk character assassination type.

For all the math work we did, it sounds like it was in fact about getting Semin out of the lockerroom because he didn't fit with the philosophy they want going forward.

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I also get the sense that people hoping for tanking or selling off talent are going to be disappointed. Sounds to me like they are going to try and overachieve, and if that gets them 9th place and hurts the franchise's future in terms of draft pick position, so be it.
 

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I think that is a silly thing to nitpick.

Yes, he has only ever scored 37, but I think he just might be capable of those extra 3 goals with Crosby as his Center rather than Bozak.

I'm not nitpicking his assertion that Kessel will probably score 40. I think he will if he is healthy (though there's something to be said for having enough goals to go around). I'm just commenting how I thought of in my mind based on what I've viewed and what has been said about Kessel in the past that Phil Kessel had scored 40 goals before. He hasn't, which I was very surprised by.
 

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