I've been watching Star Trek: The Animated Series for the first time. I guess that I put it off for so long because I figured that it was a cartoon or "Star Trek for kids." I'm pleasantly surprised to find that it's not really. It feels a lot like TOS, just animated and with shorter episodes (half an hour long each, which makes the stories a bit simpler, but only in details, not scope). It really helps that all of the original cast provide the voices (perhaps I assumed that only the top 3 provided their voices and that's partly why I put off watching the show), and some of the writers are the same, too. I'm enjoying watching it because it's like discovering a fourth TOS season. Anywas, it's on Amazon Prime.
I got it on DVD years ago because I love Star Trek and hadn't seen it before and its better then I expected it to be. Yesteryear episode is the best of the bunch by far and is better then so many live action Star Trek episodes and is IMO a must see episode for Trek fans.
I got it on DVD years ago because I love Star Trek and hadn't seen it before and its better then I expected it to be. Yesteryear episode is the best of the bunch by far and is better then so many live action Star Trek episodes and is IMO a must see episode for Trek fans.
Yeah, Yesteryear has been the best so far, which is no surprise, since it's the one episode written by D.C. Fontana.
BTW, it struck me while watching that episode that Discovery Season 2 ripped off its plot when it had Dr. Burnham go back in time and save young Michael's life in the Vulcan wilderness.
I suspect that a plurality of people selected it as least favorite simply because the idea of an animated series didn't appeal to them. Have 30% of Star Trek fans even seen enough of it to make a judgement? I doubt it. It's easy for a hardcore Trek fan to assume that it's not going to be their cup of tea. I know because I did.
Least favorite doesn’t equate to disliked at all. Discovery is probably my second least favorite, with Enterprise coming in last. I like, but don’t love Discovery. I think Enterprise is ok. Has its moments. “Least favorite” doesn’t really give any kind of indication of the way someone feels outside of the comparison to other works being ranked. There’s a band I love called Soilwork that’s got more than 10 albums in their discography. There’s one that’s my least favorite, but I still think it’s great. Similarly, I’m sure there were people in this poll who rated Discovery as both awesome and their least favorite series.
Also, my framing of the ok and awesome was solely to dispute that it’s universally disliked, nothing else. The numbers in that article shows that it’s neither universally disliked or liked. Your statement wasn’t correct.
I am almost done with Discovery, only four or five episodes left. I was surprised that it was that good. I mean it's not my favourite but it's still enjoyable. Very few annoying characters (Michael's love interest and Tilly from time to time) and some great ones (Saru, the female chief they pick up on the asteroid) and intriguing plots. Positively surprised at how they fleshed out Pike. At first I wasn't a fan of the Klingon redesign but now I hardly see it anymore. Looking forward to the next season.
I am almost done with Discovery, only four or five episodes left. I was surprised that it was that good. I mean it's not my favourite but it's still anjoyable. Very few annoying characters (Michael's love interest and Tilly from time to time) and some great ones (Saru, the female chief they pick up on the asteroid) and intriguing plots. Positively surprised at how they fleshed out Pike. At first I wasn't a fan of the Klingon redesign but now I hardly see it anymore. Looking forward to the next season.
No Paris or Torres either. Seasons 4-7 the show completely revolved around Janeway, Seven, and The Doctor as their Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamic. Paris, Torres, and Neelix probably got the second most development after that. Chakotay, Kim, and Tukov were just there for the entire run of the show. Kes was a terrible character from the start who was easily forgotten by the time the show was even watchable.
IIRC, Voyager's wrap episode ended with everyone going home. DS9's on the other hand had a gigantic party.
And are we really going to see Jennifer Lynn? She hasn't done anything since 2001, and last I heard she was an utter mess.
Icheb's actor, Manu Intiryami got himself blacklisted from everything ST by calling a bunch of people liberal p***yes, telling an STD actor to f*** off and then went on to defend Kevin Spacey. Icheb getting brutally murdered on Picard makes a lot more sense now.
Robert Beltran wants as much as to do with ST as I want the Coronavirus.
For as much flak as VOY get's, it had some really good actors.
Mulgrew is a class act and is a very good actor. Beltran, while being given as much depth as a puddle never phoned it in. Jeri Ryan of course was exceptional. Wang is probably the coolest and chillest actor I have ever met, and was very good in his role. Russ's dedication to his role and franchise always stood out.
Picardo and Phillips were probably the best actors on the show though.
No Paris or Torres either. Seasons 4-7 the show completely revolved around Janeway, Seven, and The Doctor as their Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamic. Paris, Torres, and Neelix probably got the second most development after that. Chakotay, Kim, and Tukov were just there for the entire run of the show. Kes was a terrible character from the start who was easily forgotten by the time the show was even watchable.
I agree with that. I don't know why Kes was terrible though. She rarely got any screentime. Harry kim is a male Kes. Not really carrying anything but I didn't dislike her. She was just there. There are Trek characters I actively dislike, like Wesley.
Harry anchored one of my favorite Voyager episodes, "Timeless", where he travels back in time to save the ship and crew. It's one of my favorite Trek episodes, period. I always liked his character, even though he was window dressing for much of the series.
Swapping out Lien for Ryan was the best move the show made. Kes was soooo forgettable. Paris also turned into a manilla character. He's had a good post-Voyager career as a tv director.
Kes' problem was always that she was an interesting character for the pilot and maybe a short run thereafter, but it seems like nobody went "oh hell, this isn't going to work at all if the show lasts 5-7 years" when they were figuring things out. So they quickly ran out of things to do with her, slapped on the reveal of her amazing psychic powers, and then wrote her off when they were able to swap her in with Seven.
For as much flak as VOY get's, it had some really good actors.
Mulgrew is a class act and is a very good actor. Beltran, while being given as much depth as a puddle never phoned it in. Jeri Ryan of course was exceptional. Wang is probably the coolest and chillest actor I have ever met, and was very good in his role. Russ's dedication to his role and franchise always stood out.
Picardo and Phillips were probably the best actors on the show though.
Hey, get out of here with those negative thoughts about Star Trek: Picard. They have no place here. The place for them is in the dedicated series thread, alongside all of my negative thoughts .
Started watching the animated series, then I remembered some characters from having seen it a long time ago. It is pretty good and quick stories. Having the original cast do the voices helps too.
(If you're going to respond to this with, "Keep watching, it gets better when they bring in the Borg in spandex, don't worry, I'm not dropping it)
Binging Voyager in the background while playing WoW. Overall I enjoy it, but I have some comments on the Janeway character. The writers took what amounts to a moral absolutist and put her in a terrible situation both in universe and without. On the one hand they can't keep having her slowly whittled down by compromising on her morals, but on the other hand they can't have her make every moral conundrum (which is, um, every episode) a personal look into the inner workings of Katheryn Janeway. This leaves her morals as something that only pops up every now and then, ie when they need to plot stall, need some conflict or have actively written an episode around it.
Basically moral absolutists don't really work as main characters in long running episodic series' that aren't specifically built around them. I'm writing this in response to the episode where it turns out the nice aliens were actually Nazis (the genocidal kind) and at the end Torres is like WE HAVE TO TELL THE PEOPLE THEYVE BEEN LIED TO and Janeway is just like well gee I'd like to help but we're up against the 48 minute mark here so really there's nothing we can do....
btw I loved that episode I thought it was great, I just don't think Janeway would have reacted like that, I wonder why they didn't just have Chakotay talk to Torres at the end instead, that kind of dgaf fits with his character.
The other thing is the character roles of the entire cast. TNG and DS9, I can give you a 3 second summary of each character on why they're unique. Like DS9:
Starfleet 9-5, then family man
angry religious terrorist
law and order curmudgeon cop
greedy a-hole with a heart of latinum
old veteran, but we got a 6'0 twenty something european model for the role
so green it's annoying, later a moral absolutist
guy who ran Auschwitz in space, but so narcissistic he genuinely doesn't get why Jews don't like him
gay tailor
etc etc
For most of Voyager it seems like they're just...there? Harry Kim, present. Torres, present. Chakotay, present. The only one who really stands out is The Doctor. Even Paris (sleazeball with a heart of replicator rations) is mostly just there. What really carries it is the writing. They're good old mystery/drama thrillers. Characters just kinda suck.
Also I'm not watching Picard but I am following the RLM (very negative) reviews and I just wonder: if they wanted to do an action series why did they need an 84 year old Patrick Stewart?
I haven't read what he was responding to with the second tweet, but it seems like his first tweet may not have gone over very well with some sensitive fans. I think that he was right, though: Kirk (at least his Kirk) is played out. I don't want to see him return to the character and have Abrams/Kurtzman ruin it like they've ruined Picard. I support him just being blunt, and if that rubs some fans the wrong way, tough.
(If you're going to respond to this with, "Keep watching, it gets better when they bring in the Borg in spandex, don't worry, I'm not dropping it)
Binging Voyager in the background while playing WoW. Overall I enjoy it, but I have some comments on the Janeway character. The writers took what amounts to a moral absolutist and put her in a terrible situation both in universe and without. On the one hand they can't keep having her slowly whittled down by compromising on her morals, but on the other hand they can't have her make every moral conundrum (which is, um, every episode) a personal look into the inner workings of Katheryn Janeway. This leaves her morals as something that only pops up every now and then, ie when they need to plot stall, need some conflict or have actively written an episode around it.
Basically moral absolutists don't really work as main characters in long running episodic series' that aren't specifically built around them. I'm writing this in response to the episode where it turns out the nice aliens were actually Nazis (the genocidal kind) and at the end Torres is like WE HAVE TO TELL THE PEOPLE THEYVE BEEN LIED TO and Janeway is just like well gee I'd like to help but we're up against the 48 minute mark here so really there's nothing we can do....
btw I loved that episode I thought it was great, I just don't think Janeway would have reacted like that, I wonder why they didn't just have Chakotay talk to Torres at the end instead, that kind of dgaf fits with his character.
The other thing is the character roles of the entire cast. TNG and DS9, I can give you a 3 second summary of each character on why they're unique. Like DS9:
Starfleet 9-5, then family man
angry religious terrorist
law and order curmudgeon cop
greedy a-hole with a heart of latinum
old veteran, but we got a 6'0 twenty something twenty something european model for the role
so green it's annoying, later a moral absolutist
guy who ran Auschwitz in space, but so narcissistic he genuinely doesn't get why Jews don't like him
gay tailor
etc etc
For most of Voyager it seems like they're just...there? Harry Kim, present. Torres, present. Chakotay, present. The only one who really stands out is The Doctor. Even Paris (sleazeball with a heart of replicator rations) is mostly just there. What really carries it is the writing. They're good old mystery/drama thrillers. Characters just kinda suck.
Also I'm not watching Picard but I am following the RLM (very negative) reviews and I just wonder: if they wanted to do an action series why did they need an 84 year old Patrick Stewart?
and that was a deliberate choice. They wanted people who "stood out vs DS9" and be more traditional Star Fleet but ended up truly having no one standing out at all. I truly felt there were so many things the show could have tweaked to become an absolute powerhouse but they wanted to be safe.. it really was a shame.
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a shame. i thought i would.
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