The Advanced Stats Thread Episode VI: RIP To Our Databases

[Harbour Dog]

@Harbour Dog you have to remind me otherwise I'm going to forget.

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No worries, Man.

I'll get on your ass a bit harder about games 4 through 7 and then all of the Ducks' games in future rounds.

 

[silverfish]

https://nypost.com/2018/04/18/range...medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

“And I know we need that one great player who can make a difference. We’ve identified some who might become available, and if they do, we want to be in position where we’re able to get them. We’re building a lot of data and analytics into our decision-making. And it’s important for the new coach to embrace that.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

https://nypost.com/2018/04/18/rangers-owner-reveals-what-he-wants-in-the-next-coach/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

Yeah that made me happy to read

Hopefully it’s more than words on an internet article

 

[Mac n Gs]

https://nypost.com/2018/04/18/rangers-owner-reveals-what-he-wants-in-the-next-coach/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

HNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG*

*assuming it’s not the sophiscated stats package.

 

[silverfish]

Yeah that made me happy to read

Hopefully it’s more than words on an internet article

Hopefully it's actually good data and not whatever crap they were using last year

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Do the Rangers even have an advanced stats department? I know teams like the leafs have been implementing them, and it's certainly something we should consider

 

[silverfish]

Do the Rangers even have an advanced stats department? I know teams like the leafs have been implementing them, and it's certainly something we should consider

As far as I'm aware the Rangers have a single employee with 'Analytics' in their title and that is Jim Sullivan.

However, the more I learn about Vally's company and the more I watch the Rangers, I'm beginning to believe he's poisoning their well, too.

 

[Mac n Gs]

As far as I'm aware the Rangers have a single employee with 'Analytics' in their title and that is Jim Sullivan.

However, the more I learn about Vally's company and the more I watch the Rangers, I'm beginning to believe he's poisoning their well, too.

I mean, CSA has us as the worst defensive team in hockey this year. I can’t imagine Vally would condone that system

 

[silverfish]

I mean, CSA has us as the worst defensive team in hockey this year. I can’t imagine Vally would condone that system

First thing I've seen from Vally that passes the sniff test

 

[silverfish]

Look, someone who gets hired who has the experience to back up their claim: Paul Krepelka Named VP of Hockey Operations

Not just, well, who was the last person to play for us that retired? Oh, Drury? AGM!

 

[Mac n Gs]

First thing I've seen from Vally that passes the sniff test

You don’t like his in-game analysis (aside from the ZOMG HANK COULDN’T STAHP 40-FT CLEAR SIGHTED SHOT. IMPOSSBRU fluff)?

 

[silverfish]

You don’t like his in-game analysis (aside from the ZOMG HANK COULDN’T STAHP 40-FT CLEAR SIGHTED SHOT. IMPOSSBRU fluff)?

I haven't watched an intermission report or post-game since like 2010.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I haven't watched an intermission report or post-game since like 2010.

Really? Check it out sometime because he actually drops some interesting info

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I haven't watched an intermission report or post-game since like 2010.

So how can you criticize Vally when that's like 99.9% of the time that he actually talks?

 

[silverfish]

So how can you criticize Vally when that's like 99.9% of the time that he actually talks?

Watch the intermission, nerd.

I see the tidbits that people post here or on Twitter.

Also, his analytics agency uses a subjective, private, definition of shots on goal, so who the f*** really cares what this guy says about anything.

Also, also, beware the cheerleader effect. Anyone sitting next to Duguay is going to look like a genius.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Meh, Bobby Mac didn’t mention us in his most recent Bill Peters tweet.

 

[silverfish]

There's a couple of reasons I don't watch intermission or post-game anymore:

1) I don't need to hear the same hockey cliches over and over again
2) They exist to bias you. In the sense that the replays and analysis you see in the intermission and post-game report are things that they want you to see. The reason the hot-takes on HF are so predictable during and after games is that they are always specifically focused around things that are shown on replay during the game, or replay during intermission post-game. Why? Because if you're using the eye-test to evaluate, what are you going to remember more, the 100 or so shot attempt events that happen during the game, or the 5-7 things that MSG shows on replay over and over again and breaks down?

There's a fascinating difference of hot-takes between the people who go to the game, and the people who watch the game on TV.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Quinn and Montgomery are my two choices for the college market so the fact they’re in the mix, I’m hyped.

 

[JimmyG89]

There's a couple of reasons I don't watch intermission or post-game anymore:

1) I don't need to hear the same hockey cliches over and over again
2) They exist to bias you. In the sense that the replays and analysis you see in the intermission and post-game report are things that they want you to see. The reason the hot-takes on HF are so predictable during and after games is that they are always specifically focused around things that are shown on replay during the game, or replay during intermission post-game. Why? Because if you're using the eye-test to evaluate, what are you going to remember more, the 100 or so shot attempt events that happen during the game, or the 5-7 things that MSG shows on replay over and over again and breaks down?

There's a fascinating difference of hot-takes between the people who go to the game, and the people who watch the game on TV.

It's just like the little stats they throw at you during the game that compare Ranger players to the league.

"The only defensemen that have at least 6 goals, 14 assists, 20 points, and are a +12 are these 12 top pairing defensemen, and Nick Holden"

Then, people remember that shit stat and claim, "Nick Holden must be good, look at who he has *similar stats* too"

Gotta shoehorn our players into something where they appear better than they are.

It was like when Spooner was on fire when he first came over and they were pushing the "we can still make it after selling" narrative. Talking him up as putting up some of the most points of the "deadline acquisitions".

Yes, Spooner was a deadline acquisition, but he was a legit salary move Boston could rid themselves of Beleskey. They also didn't want to keep Spooner anyway, but spin away MSG.

 

[Machinehead]

Me waiting patiently for the Norris finalists.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Me waiting patiently for the Norris finalists.

Guessing Hedman, Doughty, and Jones or Subban. Gonna lol when it’s Carlson

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Me waiting patiently for the Norris finalists.

Carlson finna be one

 

[Machinehead]

Guessing Hedman, Doughty, and Jones or Subban. Gonna lol when it’s Carlson

I'm gonna raise the dead when it's Carlson, that's why I'm in my gear!

 

[Mac n Gs]

I'm gonna raise the dead when it's Carlson, that's why I'm in my gear!

Didn’t he only have like 6 primary assists at 5v5?

 

[Machinehead]

Didn’t he only have like 6 primary assists at 5v5?

Pretty much the story of his career.

Actually is the Shattenkirk stereotype.