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OP:

1. Why are you constantly making these same polls? At least if there was some logic or explanation posted behind them...

2. Why are you always tagging the same person?

Anyways - here's my votes:

1. Crosby. Best player here all-time, phenomenal career

2. Patrick Roy. Absolutely phenomenal career. Only player in history to give Gretzky a run for his money for greatest playoff performer ever

3. Beliveau. A mix of Crosby/Roy, similar career to Crosby (slightly less good), similar playoff heroics to Roy (slightly less). Ranks very high for me

4. Jagr. Phenomenal peak & prime. And also a ton of longevity to boot.

5. Hasek. I have absolutely no issue admitting he's the best goalie ever, and better than Roy at his best. Roy simply put together the better career. Better compete level in playoffs, more years, more success, etc. But, Hasek is tremendous, and #5 for me.

6. McDavid. I'm not quite sure where I rank McDavid all-time at the moment. He may not quite even be #6 here yet, but I have no doubt he will be in time, in fact I'm pretty certain he'll be #1, and possibly by a big gap. So, I'm including him too.
 
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bobholly39 said:
OP:

1. Why are you constantly making these same polls? At least if there was some logic or explanation posted behind them...

2. Why are you always tagging the same person?

Anyways - here's my votes:

1. Crosby. Best player here all-time, phenomenal career

2. Patrick Roy. Absolutely phenomenal career. Only player in history to give Gretzky a run for his money for greatest playoff performer ever

3. Beliveau. A mix of Crosby/Roy, similar career to Crosby (slightly less good), similar playoff heroics to Roy (slightly less). Ranks very high for me

4. Jagr. Phenomenal peak & prime. And also a ton of longevity to boot.

5. Hasek. I have absolutely no issue admitting he's the best goalie ever, and better than Roy at his best. Roy simply put together the better career. Better compete level in playoffs, more years, more success, etc. But, Hasek is tremendous, and #5 for me.

6. McDavid. I'm not quite sure where I rank McDavid all-time at the moment. He may not quite even be #6 here yet, but I have no doubt he will be in time, in fact I'm pretty certain he'll be #1, and possibly by a big gap. So, I'm including him too.
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I think Hull needs to be in the mix here as he, Beliveau and Crosby are the leading #5 all-time player candidates among forwards. McDavid is getting very close to being in conversation.

I agree that the 2nd best d-men candidates aren't quite on the level as the best goalies and the best Non-Big 4 forwards in terms of tilting the ice for their teams during their careers.
 
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daver said:
I think Hull needs to be in the mix here as he, Beliveau and Crosby are the leading #5 all-time player candidates among forwards. McDavid is getting very close to being in conversation.

I agree that the 2nd best d-men candidates aren't quite on the level as the best goalies and the best Non-Big 4 forwards in terms of tilting the ice for their teams during their careers.
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I don't rank Hull quite as highly as some. In fact, ignoring McDavid, I usually hesitate between Ovechkin/Hasek for the last spot. I think Ovechkin is very similar to Hull, but simply has the better career now. I'd also slot Bourque next, and then Hull.
 
bobholly39 said:
I don't rank Hull quite as highly as some. In fact, ignoring McDavid, I usually hesitate between Ovechkin/Hasek for the last spot. I think Ovechkin is very similar to Hull, but simply has the better career now. I'd also slot Bourque next, and then Hull.
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Hull wins the pound for pound debate with Ovechkin when comparing their best seasons head to head and has a more impressive playoff resume (leading playoff PPG over his career). You can rate him lower given his shortened career. I guess you can argue Jagr over him too based on that but peak/prime it should be Hull > Jagr too.

Hasek has the most compelling argument for having a peak that was Big 4-like in terms of domination vs. his peers. No other player can make that claim. Roy's playoff legacy definitely makes it hard to rate him anywhere but close to Hasek.
 
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daver said:
Hull wins the pound for pound debate with Ovechkin when comparing their best seasons head to head and has a more impressive playoff resume (leading playoff PPG over his career). You can rate him lower given his shortened career. I guess you can argue Jagr over him too based on that but peak/prime it should be Hull > Jagr too.

Hasek has the most compelling argument for having a peak that was Big 4-like in terms of domination vs. his peers. No other player can make that claim. Roy's playoff legacy definitely makes it hard to rate him anywhere but close to Hasek.
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I'm not sure I agree about prime Hull over prime Jagr. Prime Jagr is spectacular, I think I definitely have him ahead for best ~5-7 seasons or so.

As for peak seasons, again, not exactly sure as they're all 3 really good, but I'm leaning Jagr for best single season. And Hull might have a better prime than Ovechkin if you did best ~5 or 7 seasons, but not sure for peak if you do just best ~1-3 seasons, it's much closer. Would be an interresting comparable to dig into further.

I don't know that Hull's playoff legacy is a diffferentiator between either Jagr or Ovechkin to be honest. All 3 were good, but none of them really have a playoff pedigree that stands out all-time vs some of the other players listed here.
 
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bobholly39 said:
I don't know that Hull's playoff legacy is a diffferentiator between either Jagr or Ovechkin to be honest. All 3 were good, but none of them really have a playoff pedigree that stands out all-time vs some of the other players listed here.
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IDK, Hull is the leading scorer and the leader in PPG during his prime '60 to '72.

Jagr was a mixed bag of great individual performances without Mario and a bit dissappointing with Mario post '92.

Ovechkin was great at goalscoring but lagged a bit in PPG compared to Hull.

It's not a big edge but an edge nonetheless. It backs up the narrative that Hull was Hull longer than Jagr was Jagr and longer than OV was Bobby Hull before morphing into Brett Hull.
 
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I take “best player” to mean the guy who’s going to give you the best chance to win when he’s at his best. Not really worried about stuff like longevity or Cups in this context

Forwards
Crosby
McDavid
Beliveau
Hull

Defense
Bourque

Goal
Hasek


Jagr was my last cut and Ovechkin’s also tempting here. I think Hull probably edges out the two of them for the Hart if all three are at their peaks at the same time. And I like Beliveau over any winger for his all-round impact on creating Ws.

Harvey’s probably getting slept on a little, but I understand why.
 
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NyQuil said:
I always use "skater" to refer to a non-goalie.

Anyway, no biggee.
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I'll expand on this approach and make a full line at ES

tarheelhockey said:
I take “best player” to mean the guy who’s going to give you the best chance to win when he’s at his best. Not really worried about stuff like longevity or Cups in this context

Forwards
Crosby
McDavid
Beliveau
Hull

Defense
Bourque

Goal
Hasek


Jagr was my last cut and Ovechkin’s also tempting here. I think Hull probably edges out the two of them for the Hart if all three are at their peaks at the same time. And I like Beliveau over any winger for his all-round impact on creating Ws.

Harvey’s probably getting slept on a little, but I understand why.
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Hull, Crosby, McDavid

Bourque Lindstrom
Roy (even though I think Hasek is better all time, this is the lineup I'd want for a playoff run for their primes).
 
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