Nikolajs Sillers
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crazy that you can look at the Blue Jackets’ schedule and spot the moment when their jinx thread was started
Dean Evason and the Columbus Blue Jackets
now have the second best goal differential in the metro. team is playing incredible hockey right now. Elvis has stopped 60 of his last 61 shots. (shutout tonight) the monahan-chinakhov-marchenko line is currently graded the #1 forward line in the entire league. jackets currently are scoring...forums.hfboards.com
None of those teams were purposefully bad to the level of current "tanks." Most of them were bad by accident and had many good players on the roster that would stay with the team into some of their future successes.View attachment 932215
Sorted by consecutive years in the Bottom 5 and then alphabetically for viz purposes.
Colorado, Edmonton, Florida, New York (Islanders) and Tampa all bottomed out in the late 2000s/early 10s. 10-15 years later and there's a bunch of banners hanging among that group.
1 out of 32 teams win the cup every year. Any "strategy" to winning it will be more unsuccessful than successful.Tanking has proven to be more unsuccessful than successful over course of the post-lockout era. MacKinnon and Ekblad are the only #1 picks since 08 #1 Stamkos to win the cup. ~10 years for each of them to win. For reference, Malkin/Crosby were drafted in 04/05 and won in 09, Toews/Kane drafted in 06/07 and won in 10. This kinda of turnaround doesn't happen anymore.
In that same window 2008-present window:
Thats 17 players across 7 cup winning teams, over 16 years and 90 top 5 picks.
- #2 Barkov, Hedman, Doughty, Landeskog all won with their draft teams, Eichel and reinhart after trades, and Seguin on his draft team(but the Bruins didnt tank to get him).
- #3 Bogosian won with not his draft team and in a bottom pair role
- #4 Byram, Makar, Pietrangelo are the only winners with their draft team, Bennett won on his 2nd team. Critically, Makar and Byram were drafted 6 and 8 years, respectively, after Landeskog, who was 2 years AFTER Duchene and O'reilly were drafted.
- #5 Schenn bros are the only to win, both not on their draft teams.
Point being, tanking isn't a guarantee for success and even if it is, the teams who have proved it works took a decade to make it happen AND got arguably their most important pieces years after tanking a top pick (Rantanen/Makar, Kucherov/Vasi, Tkachuk/Bob).
Ducks and Habs are a great example of why tanking is a risk, and as a Sharks fan i'm definitely nervous about the next few years. Nothing is close to a guarantee
I am not saying a bust just that he's not a generational talent as advertised. MacKinnon is a physical specimen, bedard is never going to be that big or fast as a 5'9 guy.
I'm sure he'll still flirt with 100 points with some talent around him but he's not pulling a team out of the basement alone.
Have you seen the Sharks roster from last year? They were all in.It's because none of those teams have actually, truly, committed to a rebuild and still ice teams of overpaid, overvalued, and underperforming veterans. Those teams all missed the boat on when to start their rebuild.
Pretty sure the bolded was Laine. He lost his father and had a pretty well documented bout of depression.To the bolded…please tell me you’re not talking about Texier. If anyone thought this guy was supposed to be a star, shame on them. Guy is one of the worst players in St. Louis and is probably out of the NHL altogether very soon. How he got a 2-yr contract for over $2M/year is a beyond me. He may look the part of an NHL’er with good size and some skill, but his decision-making is brutal and his compete-level is questionable. If he was one of Columbus’ top prospects it’s no surprise the rebuild hasn’t gone well.
NFL is the best equipped for a "tank" given the shorter career spans and immediate impact that drafted players are expected to make. With good scouting and luck, you can immediately pull in 5, 6, 7 starters from a single draft class. While things are QB dependent, there are still two distinct phases of play and 11 players on the field at once so it's not quite as much of a necessity to have a superstar as basketball. That being said, some positions are much more easily replaceable in the draft and UFA than hockey for example, and non-guaranteed contracts allow you to much more easily remake the bottom end of a roster quickly.How do the other major sports leagues compare in time to turn around a rebuild? More or less the same?
Integrating the kids into the lineup is a challenge. Plus, after 4 years of a losing culture, how do you turn that around just from within? Need to do something to change it up. Plus, GMs now under the gun to get it turned around. I doubt Murray, if he didn't have his personal issues, would still be GM of Anaheim after 6 seasons of no PO and looking like a 7th for Ana.Ducks and Habs are a great example of why tanking is a risk, and as a Sharks fan i'm definitely nervous about the next few years. Nothing is close to a guarantee
No, that's talking about Laine. Texier was expected to be a good support forward.To the bolded…please tell me you’re not talking about Texier. If anyone thought this guy was supposed to be a star, shame on them. Guy is one of the worst players in St. Louis and is probably out of the NHL altogether very soon. How he got a 2-yr contract for over $2M/year is a beyond me. He may look the part of an NHL’er with good size and some skill, but his decision-making is brutal and his compete-level is questionable. If he was one of Columbus’ top prospects it’s no surprise the rebuild hasn’t gone well.
None of those teams were purposefully bad to the level of current "tanks." Most of them were bad by accident and had many good players on the roster that would stay with the team into some of their future successes.
Tanking is for cheap owners and bad GMs and I hope the fact that the bottom 5 all seem completely stuck where they are wakes more fans and media up to that fact.
The Blue Jackets have literally never in their existence done this, and yet they'd be screwed by such an approach. Kind of like Detroit and the lottery rule changes that arrived just in time to screw them.Will never happen but I would love to see a total change in drafting position. Non-playoff teams with the best record get the best odds for first overall. This tank stuff is totally against the honesty and integrity of the game. No NHL game, season or partial season should be played with the intention to lose. It's dishonest and rewarding teams that tank promotes this dishonest behaviour.
Idk the NFL seems to have the same teams at the bottom every year too. Jacksonville, Jets, used to be the Lions, GiantsHow do the other major sports leagues compare in time to turn around a rebuild? More or less the same?
MLB rebuilds are interesting, so many trades and draft picks happen that it all becomes somewhat a gamble(unless you're also spending big money). Tatis Jr was basically a throw in to the Padres when he was 17 for a middling pitcher, and he turned into a franchise player. I have been following the Orioles rebuild and love what they dididk about the MLB, but NFL and NBA are not comparable. I don’t even think NFL really has true rebuilds.
Tampa Bay traded their first the year before they drafted Stamkos. Colorado traded their first the year before drafting MacKinnon and had 112 points the season after. Florida won the division the year before they took Barkov.I don't think this is true at all. The vast, vast majority of those teams were putting out bad rosters on purpose.
NBA teams fall into one of three categories.NBA can be harder to get out of the basement than NHL, super stars dominate the league and I think 'winning/losing culture' is more pertinent there than any other league