The 5 tanks are back at it!
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Feeling a bit protective about CBJ on this one... not that they haven't made some pretty big mistakes including bad coaching hires culminating on the Babcock fiasco but since July 2021 they've had two players die including their biggest star, their other supposed star forward lost his father in Nov 21 and was battling depression ever since and lost like 25+ games most seasons due to various injuries, culminating his time as a Blue Jacket with entering the PAP after playing only 18 games in 23-24 in a yet another season ruined by injuries and eventually figuring out he needs a new beginning elsewhere. And honestly I thought Laine was pretty damn good in 21-22 and 22-23 so it makes me wonder if he was playing at that level being depressed and struggling with sleep issues, how good could he have been if he was 100%?
And that's only the tip of the iceberg with the injury luck and tragedies around the team. It's like they can't have good things, Kent Johnson finally looks like he's about to break out and bang, he's out. KJ finding his game on NHL level was just what the team needed after the roster lost two ~P/GP forwards in the off season.
I'm not even mentioning Jenner who is out again because at this it just seems to be expected.
And that's only the tip of the iceberg with the injury luck and tragedies around the team. It's like they can't have good things, Kent Johnson finally looks like he's about to break out and bang, he's out. KJ finding his game on NHL level was just what the team needed after the roster lost two ~P/GP forwards in the off season.
I'm not even mentioning Jenner who is out again because at this it just seems to be expected.
Well said.
Eg. Leafs tanked the 2016 season to get Matthews. 8 seasons later and they still can't win a round.
But leafers and Toronto media will tell you there are a successful , contending team every season.
Habs tanked after going to finals. Still stink and will for years to come.
Sharks and Hawks like to tank, tank, then tank again. Thet ain't going anywhere soon.
Drafting high is good for hype and sometimes ticket sales. Then can fade fast. Bedard was the headline every night for his last year of junior and the first half of his NHL season
Now ? Crickets.
HockeyVirus
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I know it is you and this is your schtick, but are your really trying to argue a yearly playoff team is the same thing as a yearly bottom 5 team? Cause as a Leafs fan who has cheered for both, I easily take making the playoffs every season
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I am not saying a bust just that he's not a generational talent as advertised. MacKinnon is a physical specimen, bedard is never going to be that big or fast as a 5'9 guy.
I'm sure he'll still flirt with 100 points with some talent around him but he's not pulling a team out of the basement alone.
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idk about the MLB, but NFL and NBA are not comparable. I don’t even think NFL really has true rebuilds.
It's interesting as they all decided to tank at around the same time and no other teams have made that choice. Rebuilding in hockey takes a while. It just does as no one player can elevate a team like they can in basketball. They only play a 3rd of the game and are dependent on the teammates they have.
I'll be curious as to even if the bottom 5 are the same, will their point totals all be higher this year because I think they are all better than they were last year. And then 5 years from now, will they be amongst the best teams in the league or not. Time will tell but yeah, it sucks to be a Blackhawks fan right now.
I'll be curious as to even if the bottom 5 are the same, will their point totals all be higher this year because I think they are all better than they were last year. And then 5 years from now, will they be amongst the best teams in the league or not. Time will tell but yeah, it sucks to be a Blackhawks fan right now.
if you trade away veterans for picks and end up with not having enough talent, you can call it tanking.
The word "tanking" has become so overused that many people don't know there's a difference.
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We were last for a day...I was happy but that didn't last long ..... as much as i wish we would finish last I'm not so sure we can outank these guys
WarriorofTime
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All those teams basically had a lot of runway to get better and still pick high in the Draft. A lot of teams out there have been flirting with the "sort of close to the Playoffs" mediocre spot, some are young teams that are trying to come out of recent rebuilds themselves... like do you think Buffalo or Ottawa want to do another tank right now? Some just don't want to blow it up and go for a tank even if on paper they "should". Basically, nobody new is consciously entering a tank phase and it's fairly unlikely that most of the middling teams could fall far enough to do an accidental tank. Look at the Goal Differentials of the bottom 5 last season compared to everyone else. There is a huge gap. Ottawa and Arizona were 7th and 6th to last with goal differentials of -26 and -18. Then you had Montreal at -53, Columbus at -63, Anaheim at -91, Chicago at -111 and San Jose at -150.
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At this point I'm convinced a fair number of the participants in this thread, based on some of the "same old Jackets" takes, don't know Jarmo Kekalainen was fired and/or don't realize Johnny (z''l) was playing for the Blue Jackets.
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Chicago spent way too much time trying to hang on when the team was long passed its expiration date. It would have been nicer to have a deeper foundation from 2018/2019 Drafts but I suppose everything looks different if Boqvist and K. Dach are better than they were.
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I agree, this summer is going to get interesting as new teams will go all-in for the tank. 2026 and 2027 look to have franchise-altering talents in Mckenna and Dupont.
I think that though they made no overt win-now moves, the Ducks and Habs were hoping to jump out of the sucky 5 based on progression of their young players alone.
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This is like it is today only because the preds lucked out a win last night and have played more games
You are right but sometimes there is nothing you can do.
As an example, Habs have Armia, Anderson, Gallagher, Dvorak that fit the narrative. They were locked in to massive contracts by the previous Bozo making them untradable. You obviously cannot buy out all of them. Trading them means you have to part with your 1st rounder which is not an option as well.
So as a result, you end up having 33% of your forward spots to those underperforming, overvalued veterans taking the place of a potential rookie.
Yeah, not comparable. The NFL features a draft and UDFA system that can see teams pulling important starters out in late rounds or even in free agency after the draft. The NHL has what, 12% of guys from the 3rd round on ever make 100 games, let alone be considered good?
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People don't understand how long a rebuild takes. You can also do everything right, or mostly right, and still end up in this situation because you draft high in bad draft classes or some guys simply don't pan out, no fault of your own.
Many of the teams at the top lucked out with generational stars and simply filled in gaps over time. The successful clubs you can really look at and admire their ability to draft, develop and trade without consistent high picks or incredibly lucky high end choices would be Boston and Dallas. There's some others that almost get into this mix but it's really hard to sustain success without some kind of external force tipping the scales.
Many of the teams at the top lucked out with generational stars and simply filled in gaps over time. The successful clubs you can really look at and admire their ability to draft, develop and trade without consistent high picks or incredibly lucky high end choices would be Boston and Dallas. There's some others that almost get into this mix but it's really hard to sustain success without some kind of external force tipping the scales.
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To the bolded…please tell me you’re not talking about Texier. If anyone thought this guy was supposed to be a star, shame on them. Guy is one of the worst players in St. Louis and is probably out of the NHL altogether very soon. How he got a 2-yr contract for over $2M/year is a beyond me. He may look the part of an NHL’er with good size and some skill, but his decision-making is brutal and his compete-level is questionable. If he was one of Columbus’ top prospects it’s no surprise the rebuild hasn’t gone well.
