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jc17 said:
What chain said

I know your original post was in regards to the relevance of winning late games and I don't necessarily disagree

But I do disagree with the premise that this team has consistently been closing out seasons like that
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I never said they do it every year. I just said that we have seen them finish strong and it not translate because Adams didn't make the right moves over the summer.

The summer of 2023 is the perfect example of that.

If winning taught lessons, they should have learned them in 22-23.
 
Jim Bob said:
I think that both ideas are lazy.

There isn't evidence that teams "learn how to win" with a run of hot play down the stretch.

22-23 to 23-24 is a perfect example. They didn't learn anything AND Adams didn't have enough urgency in improving the roster in the summer of 2023.

Yet again, I am hoping that Adams has some urgency and can make the right moves to push the team forward. But, given how the first 5 seasons have played out, the good moves he's made have not been impactful enough. So, I am not having high expectations for this summer.
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In terms of raw draft position, they've done the thing once in recent memory however.

As for the rest, there are a bazillion other threads about Adams and the roster to take that to.
 
Chainshot said:
Also, looking at that draft, Chicago used the Sens pick on Korchinski, then Detroit took Kasper the pick prior to Buffalo selecting Savoie. With reports from Kasper's dad that he was the guy they really liked, that's the only real difference out of that win streak.
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I don't care about the draft pick part. The pick will fall where it falls.

I just don't think there is some silver lining if the pick is lower than the top 3-5 pick it looked like a few weeks ago.
 
BFLO said:
We feel entitled to those picks because we've been a bottom 3 team in the standings since December.

The team isn't "learning to win", they're just riding a hot goalie and a high shooting %. Underlying stats say they are still awful.

Since March 10th:
we are 8-4-0
30th in the league in 5v5 xGF%.
1st in the league in all situations shooting percentage with a 15.61%

We're playing the same garbage hockey that we've played all season. We're just shooting unsustainably high and Reimer has made some timely saves.
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We got lucky at some points and unlucky at others. When the season ends its probably going to look about right. Unfortunate timing I guess to get people's hopes up
 
Jim Bob said:
I never said they do it every year. I just said that we have seen them finish strong and it not translate because Adams didn't make the right moves over the summer.

The summer of 2023 is the perfect example of that.

If winning taught lessons, they should have learned them in 22-23.
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A) you didn't but a ton of people on here and Twitter have

B) again, instead of building they tried to change the way they played. Maybe they still would have missed the playoffs the following year, but was pretty stupid in retrospect that they ditched what caused them to win those games
 
Jim Bob said:
I don't care about the draft pick part. The pick will fall where it falls.

I just don't think there is some silver lining if the pick is lower than the top 3-5 pick it looked like a few weeks ago.
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Didn't say there is a silver lining in this - just that talk of late year hero runs is not born out by the actual records. So... moving back to the draft itself...
 
jc17 said:
A) you didn't but a ton of people on here and Twitter have

B) again, instead of building they tried to change the way they played. Maybe they still would have missed the playoffs the following year, but was pretty stupid in retrospect that they ditched what caused them to win those games
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B) Yeah, they didn't learn any lessons....

They didn't make the right decisions based on the lessons that they could have learned both as players, but the coaches and management.
 
Chainshot said:
The idea that Buffalo makes some late hero runs falls down in the face of their end of season records though-

How they've ended some recent seasons -

23-24: 7-7-1; .512 for the year
22-23: missed by a point 9-2-1, .555 for the year
21-22: 8-6 .457 for the year
20-21: 4-8 .330 for the year
19-20: 1-6 and the win was a shootout .493 for the year

Outside of 21-22, which moved them two spots in draft order, the idea that somehow they're great or even good late in the year is just lazy commentary.
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The Sabres went 16-9-3 in March+April of 21-22. They went from 29th place to 24th.

16-30-8 prior to March .370 pts%
16-9-3 after .625 pts%
 
BFLO said:
The Sabres went 16-9-3 in March+April of 21-22. They went from 29th place to 24th.

16-30-8 prior to March .370 pts%
16-9-3 after .625 pts%
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Right, they had one year of a decent late run, and the next season showed marked improvement

Its not a frequent occurrence, and the one time it did happen, they did improve significantly the following season. So, the idea that they frequently go on runs, and that those runs have meant nothing is just incorrect in all directions

Not arguing that a hot end to this season will mean anything, but people have been running with false narratives and its tiring.

No one has to be optimistic, but the pessimism shouldn't be based on a history that doesnt exist
 
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I just can't believe that if the season ended today (and no movement via the lottery) that BOSTON would pick two slots ahead of us.

Oh how the mighty have fallen! And I feel zero compassion.
 
Chainshot said:
They will pick someone who will torture the Sabres for years. Don't worry.
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Or, they will do as well as they did with those memorable three straight 1st rounders a decade ago...

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jc17 said:
Right, they had one year of a decent late run, and the next season showed marked improvement

Its not a frequent occurrence, and the one time it did happen, they did improve significantly the following season. So, the idea that they frequently go on runs, and that those runs have meant nothing is just incorrect in all directions

Not arguing that a hot end to this season will mean anything, but people have been running with false narratives and its tiring.

No one has to be optimistic, but the pessimism shouldn't be based on a history that doesnt exist
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They’ve had 3 late season runs in the last 4 seasons. I don’t see how anyone can argue that it’s not a frequent occurrence.

And this run is not them playing better or “learning to win”. They are still playing like the bottom 3 team that they’ve been all season. They are just getting extremely lucky that 1 in 5 of their shots is going in right now, and Reimer has stood on his head in a few games.

This run is an even more obvious mirage than the 2018-19, 10 game win streak.

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Chainshot said:
The idea that Buffalo makes some late hero runs falls down in the face of their end of season records though-

How they've ended some recent seasons -

23-24: 7-7-1; .512 for the year
22-23: missed by a point 9-2-1, .555 for the year
21-22: 8-6 .457 for the year
20-21: 4-8 .330 for the year
19-20: 1-6 and the win was a shootout .493 for the year

Outside of 21-22, which moved them two spots in draft order, the idea that somehow they're great or even good late in the year is just lazy commentary.
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You have to compare that to the losing streak of anywhere between 7 and 20 games that kills the season. It makes 1-6 feel like a hot streak
 
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