The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[BFLO]

Would not we be close to the playoffs ?

Quinn, Benson and Kulich seem to have improved at the end of this season. NeXT season having a 3 rd line scoring 45 goals would be very good ? They could hit 15 each .

The two top lines seems set Also . Just if they bring in a good forward and round out the d they should be in ?

Could literally post the exact same thing about any of the past 4 years. Just switch the names as needed.

 

[Jim Bob]

You missed the point completely and its not even about that. Its about being on a bad team and not being able to get a trade cause the owner thinks you dont want to be there.

Not sure how you missed that completely.

Even if it was, how many cups has Chicago won?

I didn't miss the point. I disagree with the premise.

Chicago didn't turn things around when Dollar Bill Wirtz died because they told players on bad teams to suck it up.

And personally, I think you are taking the "Guys that want to be here" thing the wrong way. And it has been more of an Adams thing than a Pegula thing.

 

[toddkaz]

I didn't miss the point. I disagree with the premise.

Chicago didn't turn things around when Dollar Bill Wirtz died because they told players on bad teams to suck it up.

And personally, I think you are taking the "Guys that want to be here" thing the wrong way. And it has been more of an Adams thing than a Pegula thing.

You don't even know what is the premise. The premise is bad teams tell their players to suck it up while in Buffalo if you dont want to be here you get traded to a better team.

Thats the premise. Prove it wrong then. Tell me where else does it happen on a level like Buffalo?

You completely missed the premise because you are arguing something that has nothing to do with my point.

Its pretty clear you dont follow Buffalo very closely to not see whats been going on since Pegula got here.

Its like you see my name and you just want to argue the opposite you dont care even if you are wrong.

 

[Jim Bob]

You don't even know what is the premise. The premise is bad teams tell their players to suck it up while in Buffalo if you dont want to be here you get traded to a better team.

Thats the premise. Prove it wrong then. Tell me where else does it happen on a level like Buffalo?

You completely missed the premise because you are arguing something that has nothing to do with my point.

Its pretty clear you dont follow Buffalo very closely to not see whats been going on since Pegula got here.

Its like you see my name and you just want to argue the opposite you dont care even if you are wrong.

I get the premise.

But, that's not what Adams was talking about when he mentioned "Guys that want to be here."

It was when he had trades like the Matt Murray trade get blocked because a player exercised his trade protection to block a trade to Buffalo.

Dylan Cozens didn't want out by all reports. He was a guy that wanted to be a part of the solution here.

You have guys like ROR that got moved because he "lost his love of the game." But, then you have other guys that they didn't have much option but to trade them like Eichel because of the disagreement over the disc replacement surgery and Reinhart who was going to walk as a UFA ASAP because he didn't want to live through another rebuild.

Eichel is the only guy that reportedly asked for a trade out of town while under team control for a meaningful amount of time that has been traded lately.

Were there reports that Mitts wanted out that I missed?

 

[toddkaz]

I get the premise.

But, that's not what Adams was talking about when he mentioned "Guys that want to be here."

It was when he had trades like the Matt Murray trade get blocked because a player exercised his trade protection to block a trade to Buffalo.

Dylan Cozens didn't want out by all reports. He was a guy that wanted to be a part of the solution here.

You have guys like ROR that got moved because he "lost his love of the game." But, then you have other guys that they didn't have much option but to trade them like Eichel because of the disagreement over the disc replacement surgery and Reinhart who was going to walk as a UFA ASAP because he didn't want to live through another rebuild.

Eichel is the only guy that reportedly asked for a trade out of town while under team control for a meaningful amount of time that has been traded lately.

Were there reports that Mitts wanted out that I missed?

So you say you follow the sabres closely but disagree with the premise that Pegula makes it easy to get out of Buffalo?

Even though every player who doesn't want to be here gets traded, even though you hear Pegula ask if players want to be here before they get traded here or sign here.


You disagree that Pegula makes it easy to get out of Buffalo just by saying they don't want to be here?

Its a simple yes or no question.

 

[Jim Bob]

So you say you follow the sabres closely but disagree with the premise that Pegula makes it easy to get out of Buffalo?

Even though every player who doesn't want to be here gets traded, even though you hear Pegula ask if players want to be here before they get traded here or sign here.

You disagree that Pegula makes it easy to get out of Buffalo just by saying they don't want to be here?

Its a simple yes or no question.

We have no real idea how many guys ask out and stay.

We do know that Jokiharju wanted out long before he was eventually dealt at the deadline because Adams never got an offer he liked.

So, no, I do not believe it is as simple as asking out and you immediately get traded.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

How much of Schneider is the idea of the player he represents as opposed to him actually being that player, though.
I get it, two thirds of the league are salivating over that elusive defensive top 4 RHD, but if I give up JJ, an actual young first line winger, I want a sure thing back.
Not entirely sold on Cuylle, either.

Not sure what this has to do with my post, which was about trade cost. Do you have anything to say about that topic?

I don’t think the trade would/should ever happen, I was just commenting on the cost - which your response doesn’t even address.

 

[toddkaz]

We have no real idea how many guys ask out and stay.

We do know that Jokiharju wanted out long before he was eventually dealt at the deadline because Adams never got an offer he liked.

So, no, I do not believe it is as simple as asking out and you immediately get traded.

I never claimed every player who was traded wanted out you just made that up.

But you are right, if a player tells Pegula they don't want to be here Pegs is perfectly ok with that and tells the player too bad play on.

You are right, I got that out of the last 10 years too.

It must have been another owner that said he only wants guys that want to be here.

I am so glad we argued again for 3 pages over something that was said multiple times in the media by the owner and GM.

 

[dortt]

Would not we be close to the playoffs ?

Quinn, Benson and Kulich seem to have improved at the end of this season. NeXT season having a 3 rd line scoring 45 goals would be very good ? They could hit 15 each .

The two top lines seems set Also . Just if they bring in a good forward and round out the d they should be in ?

we're a whole 9 points out now

we'd be in if UPL didn't go full UP-Dell. Of course, we'd lose in 5 in the first round

 

[Chainshot]

You don't even know what is the premise. The premise is bad teams tell their players to suck it up while in Buffalo if you dont want to be here you get traded to a better team.

Thats the premise. Prove it wrong then.

That’s not how this works you can’t make a broad sweeping generalization and then claim the other person has to prove your broad general sweeping comment wrong.

Tell me where else does it happen on a level like Buffalo?

Which part? The part where you said Pegula has said that they only want someone who wants to be there and that’s not in evidence as coming directly from him? Or that somehow they recently traded away a bunch of players who asked to be traded is not the case I mean, if it’s so evident, where is your actual proof?

You completely missed the premise because you are arguing something that has nothing to do with my point.

Its pretty clear you dont follow Buffalo very closely to not see whats been going on since Pegula got here.

Going all true Scotsmen here?

Its like you see my name and you just want to argue the opposite you dont care even if you are wrong.

Pot… kettle.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

we're a whole 9 points out now

we'd be in if UPL didn't go full UP-Dell. Of course, we'd lose in 5 in the first round

I’m not worried about them losing in 5 in the first round. Better than not seeing them in the playoffs at all.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I think Adams is going to make "culture" trades this off-season. Listening to the last Embedded, Ruff seemed adamant that he needs to change to room. That's a culture thing.

Adams fixed the entitled "me first" culture that existed with Eichel as captain, and replaced it with a softer "meh" type of room. "It's ok you didn't backcheck hard because we're bros" type of culture. Some of that was required because of what he was trying to fix. Bringing up a lot of kids and fixing some of the yourh under Granato required a bit of that type of attitude. It's not toxic, just not going to win anything.

I think we may see some trades where the value in talent seems off because Ruff is aiming for a change of team attitude. More of a killer-warrior attitude. And because of that, I think Pegula is going to bless off on it.

 

[Duddy]

I'd try to fix the losing culture, but another culture change before the next culture change will work out.

 

[Chainshot]

I think Adams is going to make "culture" trades this off-season. Listening to the last Embedded, Ruff seemed adamant that he needs to change to room. That's a culture thing.

Adams fixed the entitled "me first" culture that existed with Eichel as captain, and replaced it with a softer "meh" type of room. "It's ok you didn't backcheck hard because we're bros" type of culture. Some of that was required because of what he was trying to fix. Bringing up a lot of kids and fixing some of the yourh under Granato required a bit of that type of attitude. It's not toxic, just not going to win anything.

I think we may see some trades where the value in talent seems off because Ruff is aiming for a change of team attitude. More of a killer-warrior attitude. And because of that, I think Pegula is going to bless off on it.

I would love some people who treat winning like a profession instead of as a hobby. The cream of the division for years - Boston, Tampa and now Florida - few are the number of forwards who don’t get on the right side of the puck. Few of the Sabre forwards play on the right side of the puck. Funny a couple who joined and do play the right way make such a difference in Zucker and Greenway (and when he arrived Tuch).

 

[Zman5778]

I think Adams is going to make "culture" trades this off-season. Listening to the last Embedded, Ruff seemed adamant that he needs to change to room. That's a culture thing.

Adams fixed the entitled "me first" culture that existed with Eichel as captain, and replaced it with a softer "meh" type of room. "It's ok you didn't backcheck hard because we're bros" type of culture. Some of that was required because of what he was trying to fix. Bringing up a lot of kids and fixing some of the yourh under Granato required a bit of that type of attitude. It's not toxic, just not going to win anything.

I think we may see some trades where the value in talent seems off because Ruff is aiming for a change of team attitude. More of a killer-warrior attitude. And because of that, I think Pegula is going to bless off on it.

I agree to a point -- the point being:

Who the holy heck is available that fits your description that isn't tied down with some sort of NTC? Or someone with an NTC that might actually come here?

Throw a boatload of cash at Marchand and hope he comes here on a 1 or 2 year deal? Maybe Iafallo comes home, perhaps?

 

[SabresFanNorthPortFL]

Byram for a similar RHD
Peterka for a RHD
Sign Iaffalo
Minor depth adds

If that happens, I’d call it a decent offseason

 

[Der Jaeger]

I agree to a point -- the point being:

Who the holy heck is available that fits your description that isn't tied down with some sort of NTC? Or someone with an NTC that might actually come here?

Throw a boatload of cash at Marchand and hope he comes here on a 1 or 2 year deal? Maybe Iafallo comes home, perhaps?

My Brady Tkachuk idea stems from this line of thinking. I get it, it's not happening, but that's where I think Ruff and Adams are headed. Same thoughts for why I think Ruff wanted Drury out of Carolina and when they were supposedly offering Savoie, I don't think the target was Necas. I think it was Drury.

A lot of the trades proposed on this board are based on talent and fair value, and rightfully so. But imagine if Ruff and Adams make one of thee moves:

Peterka for Rossi (base deal)
Peterka for Cullye and Schneider

Each deal seems like the Sabres are giving up a potential 40 goal winger for a lesser player or lesser players. But if attitude and culture are larger considerations for the team than talent, then maybe these types of trades go down?

Adams shouldn't be making a ton of these trades. Maybe one just to shift around the team's identity a bit. If you make too many of these types of deals, you're trading a bunch of quarters and getting back dimes and nickels. But one or two of these types of trades may all that it takes.

 

[Jim Bob]

I never claimed every player who was traded wanted out you just made that up.

But you are right, if a player tells Pegula they don't want to be here Pegs is perfectly ok with that and tells the player too bad play on.

You are right, I got that out of the last 10 years too.

It must have been another owner that said he only wants guys that want to be here.
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I am so glad we argued again for 3 pages over something that was said multiple times in the media by the owner and GM.
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I don't see any quotes being attributed to Pegula there.

I said that Adams made the "guys that want to be here" comment. So, what you post there backs up my point.

So, thanks for that!

And where are the quotes of guys that went to Pegula, pulled a Denis Lemieux, and then got traded in short order?

 

[toddkaz]

I don't see any quotes being attributed to Pegula there.

I said that Adams made the "guys that want to be here" comment. So, what you post there backs up my point.

So, thanks for that!

And where are the quotes of guys that went to Pegula, pulled a Denis Lemieux, and then got traded in short order?

You are right, I am wrong. If a player went to Pegula and said he wanted out, Pegula would say suck it up you are going nowhere.

Also you right, its not Pegula that sets the tone. Its all on Adams. Adams has complete free rein. Pegula has nothing to do with it.

You should now go correct all the people that say Adams is Pegula's puppet and there are a lot in the Adams thread.

What was my eyes and ears thinking.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I would love some people who treat winning like a profession instead of as a hobby. The cream of the division for years - Boston, Tampa and now Florida - few are the number of forwards who don’t get on the right side of the puck. Few of the Sabre forwards play on the right side of the puck. Funny a couple who joined and do play the right way make such a difference in Zucker and Greenway (and when he arrived Tuch).

The players you listed not only play on the right side of the puck, but they win board battles too. The two rarest skills on the Sabres - Benson stands out like a sore thumb for the same reason.

I used to think defensive play and puck battles was just hard work, so hard working, gritty players will do that best. …but I’m trying it more to IQ these days. Sure, skating and strength and work ethic are important too, but just being predictive and efficient seems to go a really long way.

That’s why I liked the idea behind the Cozens/Norris swap.

 

[Tatanka]

Byram for a similar RHD
Peterka for a RHD
Sign Iaffalo
Minor depth adds

If that happens, I’d call it a decent offseason

Id call that year 15 of no playoffs. You need to find the Iafallos before they are on the back end of their careers. This team needs to shake up the top not tweak the middle and bottom of the lineup. Getting a better mix would help. But the the lineup has to commit to the 200 ft gamemas much as the bottom. Until that happens nothing really changes.

 

[jj7132]

There's no way id trade JJ. Kid improves every year..he'll be a 70 pt scorer next season.

Tage
JJ
Benson
Levi
Dahlin
Power

would be my only untouchables

 

[CowbellConray]

Byram for a similar RHD
Peterka for a RHD
Sign Iaffalo
Minor depth adds

If that happens, I’d call it a decent offseason

I will say it until I'm blue in the face, trading Peterka is the WRONG move. He has way too much potential to be dealt at this point

 

[Der Jaeger]

I'd trade Peterka if the value was right. Definitely not for futures.

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

I will say it until I'm blue in the face, trading Peterka is the WRONG move. He has way too much potential to be dealt at this point

I in general agree, but tell me when I’m getting back first before I say no… If you’re telling me, I can get Brady thachuk for JJ + I’m listening