The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[Chainshot]

I'll quit this team if they trade for Laughton

He seems to have looked better this season than in the past, plus he supposedly has leadership qualities. I don't like Laughton much, but Adams could take the bait.

Buffalo was sniffing around before they went in another direction (eventually) with McLeod. Philly was supposed to be asking for a lot last time his name came up but seems like they may have overplayed their hand there. It would be interesting to shuffle something like Samuelsson back home for him. Granted, the talk that Adams is very attached to "his guys" may mean that isn't going to happen.

 

[Fjordy]

Buffalo was sniffing around before they went in another direction (eventually) with McLeod. Philly was supposed to be asking for a lot last time his name came up but seems like they may have overplayed their hand there. It would be interesting to shuffle something like Samuelsson back home for him. Granted, the talk that Adams is very attached to "his guys" may mean that isn't going to happen.

Well, as I understand it, Laughton seems to play better on the wing than in C, although I'm not sure.

 

[Gras]

I wonder if team quitter looks at Laughton again since that is the opposite of how he's wired:

Laughton for Sammy?

 

[Beerz]

Buffalo was sniffing around before they went in another direction (eventually) with McLeod. Philly was supposed to be asking for a lot last time his name came up but seems like they may have overplayed their hand there. It would be interesting to shuffle something like Samuelsson back home for him. Granted, the talk that Adams is very attached to "his guys" may mean that isn't going to happen.

Thanks for shooting up my cortisol levels

 

[Archie Lee]

I get what you’re saying about their respective draft status/projections. I don’t think those things matter much now for comparisons. A better guide would be looking at their respective development situations since joining the NHL.

Take Rossi’s situation. Since became a full time NHLer last season, his primary linemates have been Zuccarello/Kaprizov over that 1 1/2+ seasons.

1) Zuccarello —-> 1044mins
2) Kaprizov ——-> 827mins
3) Johansson —-> 478mins
4) Boldy ————> 456mins
5) Hartman ——-> 393mins
6) Foligno ———-> 247mins

Rossi is always the youngest on his line and, outside of Boldy, is playing with older to much older linemates. He’s also had a level of consistency playing so much with the top two.


Now compare that to Quinn’s situation over the same time frame. His top linemates…...
1) Cozens ———> 489mins
2) Peterka ——-> 310mins
3) Benson ———> 243mins
4) Krebs ————> 175mins
5) Kulich ————> 139mins
6) McLeod ———> 69mins

We try to develop youngsters with other youngsters. We also have a lot of volatility with the lines outside of the top line. Even that changed recently with the top line broken up.

Cozens list is similar with his top 3 being Peterka, Benson and Quinn. Which would make him the oldest player on his line the majority of the time. Which is crazy for a 22/23yr old center you’re using as your 2C.

I was looking at Rossi vs Cozens before you posted your response. I was trying to see why, or if, Minny would really be interested in that trade. When you look at who they can put Cozens with it makes sense. They feel they could put him in a much better situation and get much more out of him. Hard to argue with that.

I don’t think there’s a chance in hell we would get the Rossi that Minny is getting at the moment. He’d be stuck playing with the same bunch of kids that Cozens is. I really hate Adams.

This x 1000.

 

[Chainshot]

Laughton for Sammy?

My thought more than anything in this.

Thanks for shooting up my cortisol levels

I'm here to help.

 

[Ace]

Pettersson moving to another team would be a big breaking point for some people I think. You have a broken team in need of change…and an already long term signed player who can’t block you acquiring him at a position of desperate need…all the things that add up to an egregious failure in the eyes of everyone if it’s not you.

Not that anything matters. They can sit in last place doing nothing and Adams remains.

If nothing else…Sabres Twitter will be fun for a day or two.

 

[TehDoak]

I was unaware of the lack of a trade freeze for the 4 nations tourney.

I am actually a bit worried that if we win tonight, despite the math overwhelmingly saying 'shut it down', a five game win streak + desperation to save his own skin might convince Adams to do something stupid.

A reality check was coming soon for this roster, the lack of one + idle time is very dangerous combination.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Pettersson moving to another team would be a big breaking point for some people I think. You have a broken team in need of change…and an already long term signed player who can’t block you acquiring him at a position of desperate need…all the things that add up to an egregious failure in the eyes of everyone if it’s not you.

Not that anything matters. They can sit in last place doing nothing and Adams remains.

If nothing else…Sabres Twitter will be fun for a day or two.

I agree 99%, with the one caveat being if Vancouver gets a piece we simply can't provide (like, say, a minute-munching RH defensive defenseman). At that point it would be very possible that Adams put together a solid offer and just didn't have what Vancouver needed to move it over the line.

 

[sabremike]

I agree 99%, with the one caveat being if Vancouver gets a piece we simply can't provide (like, say, a minute-munching RH defensive defenseman). At that point it would be very possible that Adams put together a solid offer and just didn't have what Vancouver needed to move it over the line.

If you are one of the biggest failures of a GM in the history of not just hockey but in all of pro sports and an opportunity to somewhat redeem yourself pops up and you fail to get it done than too bad, I have no pitty for you whatsoever.

 

[Tatanka]

I was unaware of the lack of a trade freeze for the 4 nations tourney.

I am actually a bit worried that if we win tonight, despite the math overwhelmingly saying 'shut it down', a five game win streak + desperation to save his own skin might convince Adams to do something stupid.

A reality check was coming soon for this roster, the lack of one + idle time is very dangerous combination.

No worries. If they win it reaffirms KyA idea that he knows what he is doing and there is no need to make a move. If they lose, well the season is over and he doesn’t have palm trees to sell so might as well wait til its warmer outside. Either way he keeps his job and does nothing. Nice gig if you can get it.

 

[Irie]

I would be surprised if Guerin traded his young 1C, I'm not buying this story yet.

Rossi > Cozens

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Posting charts of players on winning teams and comparing them to charts of players on losing teams is just flat out dumb.

Remember when the charts of Taylor Hall as a sabre had him at like 23%, and then when he went to Boston he was miraculously an 87% chart player? Yeah.

 

[toddkaz]

Keep reading Pettersson is still available. Feels like an off season move. Adam has the assets but not the brains.

 

[JLewyB]

Posting charts of players on winning teams and comparing them to charts of players on losing teams is just flat out dumb.

Remember when the charts of Taylor Hall as a sabre had him at like 23%, and then when he went to Boston he was miraculously an 87% chart player? Yeah.

Well. Hall did start trying on Boston.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Keep reading Pettersson is still available. Feels like an off season move. Adam has the assets but not the brains.

I really, really, want nothing to do with him on this team.

A soft and fragile squad with identity issues takes on a dude who is the embodiment of those things? Sold!

He’d be good enough to get into playoffs with, but you don’t actually win shit with that dude. I’ve really soured on him- I think Miller is probably a dick, but their inability to fix it for the sake of the team, EP’s bad play- you shouldn’t need a teammate gone to do your f***ing job, to to put every effort towards earning your contract. Maybe he matures, idk, but I’m calling him and Laine the lost boys of this generation. They’ll be where Hall is but worse in 5+ years.

 

[Dubi Doo]

The center spine is terrible. No depth + no top-line guy. The defense is missing a 2nd pairing. The goaltending is just not good. I haven't watched, but does this ring true? There's no way Adams is fixing all of these problems. It's going to be a rough few years me thinks.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Kolyachonok waived. Main board thinks it was a dumb move. I don’t know much about about him, but he was described as a defense first defenseman. Buffalo needs that.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Kolyachonok waived. Main board thinks it was a dumb move. I don’t know much about about him, but he was described as a defense first defenseman. Buffalo needs that.

IDK, so was Lyubushkin

 

[Fjordy]

Posting charts of players on winning teams and comparing them to charts of players on losing teams is just flat out dumb.

Remember when the charts of Taylor Hall as a sabre had him at like 23%, and then when he went to Boston he was miraculously an 87% chart player? Yeah.

This is nonsense, look at the charts of several centers of losing teams and there may be the same. Even our other centers have better charts than Cozens, so your argument is wrong.

 

[Ehran]

IDK, so was Lyubushkin

Gotta be better than rolling Bryson out game after game.

 

[Irie]

This is nonsense, look at the charts of several centers of losing teams and there may be the same. Even our other centers have better charts than Cozens, so your argument is wrong.

Let's face the facts here. Rossi's metrics(charts) and point production are stellar this year because he has been mostly playing with Kaprizov. The past 12 or 15 games he has been away from Kaprizov and his metrics and points are down. His scoring consistency has tanked, and he is an RFA this off-season that is going to get paid based off of his numbers playing with one of the best players in the world.

If you believe Rossi is going to have those metrics in Buffalo playing with Quinn (Ottawa 67 reunion!) I think you are going to be super disappointed.

And yes, comparing players that are on different teams and used differently with those charts is completely apple to oranges.

 

[Fjordy]

Let's face the facts here. Rossi's metrics(charts) and point production are stellar this year because he has been mostly playing with Kaprizov. The past 12 or 15 games he has been away from Kaprizov and his metrics and points are down. His scoring consistency has tanked, and he is an RFA this off-season that is going to get paid based off of his numbers playing with one of the best players in the world.

If you believe Rossi is going to have those metrics in Buffalo playing with Quinn (Ottawa 67 reunion!) I think you are going to be super disappointed.

And yes, comparing players that are on different teams and used differently with those charts is completely apple to oranges.

I watched Wild games, not many, but I watched them, and when Kaprizov wasn't there, Rossi was still great in those games.

I agree that Rossi is easier, but I think he's still a very good center, and Cozens is not.

I mean, Cozens was our fourth center this season, the other three centers were better. Something needs to be done here, he even get help from a couple of experienced players on his wings. The most logical thing is to put him on the wing or trade him, there's no point in continuing to torment him at center.

 

[Irie]

I watched Wild games, not many, but I watched them, and when Kaprizov wasn't there, Rossi was still great in those games.

I agree that Rossi is easier, but I think he's still a very good center, and Cozens is not.

I mean, Cozens was our fourth center this season, the other three centers were better. Something needs to be done here, he even get help from a couple of experienced players on his wings. The most logical thing is to put him on the wing or trade him, there's no point in continuing to torment him at center.

I like Rossi, but I am not sure I want Buffalo to give him his next contract based on his production centering Boldy and Kaprizov.

You are comparing charts of Cozens playing between mostly a struggling Quinn, Peterka or Benson vs Rossi who has been centering Kaprizov, Boldy, and Zuccarello and claiming that the numbers in these charts are relevant. Do you believe Cozens numbers wouldn't be better and Rossi's numbers worse if the two switched places?

You can say that you believe Rossi would fair much better on Buffalo due to any number of characteristics in his game, and that could be a valid argument, but referencing those charts is a poor argument because the situations are not comparable.

 

[Fjordy]

I like Rossi, but I am not sure I want Buffalo to give him his next contract based on his production centering Boldy and Kaprizov.

You are comparing charts of Cozens playing between mostly a struggling Quinn, Peterka or Benson vs Rossi who has been centering Kaprizov, Boldy, and Zuccarello and claiming that the numbers in these charts are relevant. Do you believe Cozens numbers wouldn't be better and Rossi's numbers worse if the two switched places?

You can say that you believe Rossi would fair much better on Buffalo due to any number of characteristics in his game, and that could be a valid argument, but referencing those charts is a poor argument because the situations are not comparable.

We have good wingers, I have no problem giving Rossi a contract. Again, like I said, I watched the Wild games when Kaprizov was injured and Rossi was good, he's a natural top 6 center, smart, hard working, not bad on defense, decent playmaker.

Cozens is not like that, and he played with Zucker, Tage and Tuch and still his brain just looks broken. He's not a center.

Rossi could be just as good in Buffalo playing with Tage, Tuch, Zucker, Peterka on his wings. I don't know what we're arguing about here, but Rossi is just a better and more suitable center for us than Cozens, who is not a good center at all. Damn, McLeod is definitely a better center than Cozens and they play on the same team.

 

[Irie]

We have good wingers, I have no problem giving Rossi a contract. Again, like I said, I watched the Wild games when Kaprizov was injured and Rossi was good, he's a natural top 6 center, smart, hard working, not bad on defense, decent playmaker.

Cozens is not like that, and he played with Zucker, Tage and Tuch and still his brain just looks broken. He's not a center.

Rossi could be just as good in Buffalo playing with Tage, Tuch, Zucker, Peterka on his wings. I don't know what we're arguing about here, but Rossi is just a better and more suitable center for us than Cozens, who is not a good center at all. Damn, McLeod is definitely a better center than Cozens and they play on the same team.

There is a huge structural difference between what Ruff is doing now and what Hynes has employed in NJ, Nashville and now in Minnesota. There is way more structure in Minnesota which is a lot easier on the young guys.

This young Buffalo team needs a coaching philosophy that focuses on structure and discipline a lot more than they need to rebuild the roster. I mean, if you want to keep Ruff and his antiquated system, then you need to fully rebuild the roster with personnel that play a certain style, but I think the easiest and most prudent move going forward is hire a coach with a track record of getting results with young guys. I doubt Rossi would be an excellent top six center if you play him with this undisciplined team and give him linemates with the average age of 20.