The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[Zman5778]

I would try to get Zegras along with Helleson. I understand a lot of people don't like Zegras, but he ticks some boxes in terms of need, playmaker, better at center (Ducks fans). Overall he's a wild card, as are most other non-NMC/NTC centers outside of EP40. You could try to get someone like Hayton from Utah, also a wild card but a different type of player.

Anaheim has zero reason to move Helleson at all. He's EXACTLY the type of player we need........but he's also exactly the type of player that Anaheim needs. I don't think Verbeek is dumb enough to move him.

 

[Fjordy]

Anaheim has zero reason to move Helleson at all. He's EXACTLY the type of player we need........but he's also exactly the type of player that Anaheim needs. I don't think Verbeek is dumb enough to move him.

I agree with that, it would be difficult. Although I don't know how they feel about him, you'd have to ask the Ducks fans. Well, there are other options for RD.

 

[Zman5778]

What's the deal with Jokiharju? His advanced stats look fine, but it seems as if his minutes are being cutoff?

Of any player I've watched......I do not in any way shape or form understand how Joker can have the advanced stats he does. It's kind of mind boggling. He's not physical, he gets easily out of position (especially when hemmed in) and pucks go through him (as in through the legs or between stick and legs) easily.

That said, he's fine when he's not pressured and not hemmed in his own zone. When Joker is on top of his game, he is absolutely invisible on the ice.

 

[toddkaz]

I would try to get Zegras along with Helleson. I understand a lot of people don't like Zegras, but he ticks some boxes in terms of need, playmaker, better at center (Ducks fans). Overall he's a wild card, as are most other non-NMC/NTC centers outside of EP40. You could try to get someone like Hayton from Utah, also a wild card but a different type of player.

I am not giving up Cozens for Zegras. Its going in the wrong direction of getting softer but I would give up Quinn and add until they say yes.

 

[Fjordy]

I am not giving up Cozens for Zegras. Its going in the wrong direction of getting softer but I would give up Quinn and add until they say yes.

If that's a problem for you, it's not for me. We need a top 6 C, ideally a playmaker, I don't care that Zegras isn't as physical as Cozens (though he's no Hercules either). Make up for it with other players on the roster, add a second Greenway for example. Of course, if we can get Zegras for Quinn, why not, try it. I'm just saying that the center market without trade protection will be very limited and we probably won't find a proven top 6 center there. On the other hand, we can try to make three even and different lines.

 

[jc17]

Of any player I've watched......I do not in any way shape or form understand how Joker can have the advanced stats he does. It's kind of mind boggling. He's not physical, he gets easily out of position (especially when hemmed in) and pucks go through him (as in through the legs or between stick and legs) easily.

That said, he's fine when he's not pressured and not hemmed in his own zone. When Joker is on top of his game, he is absolutely invisible on the ice.

Just depends what stats you're looking at

 

[Fezzy126]

Once again, some of this stuff was laughably predictable.

When they named the captains cozens and Samuelsson stuck out as weak choices, and now here we are.

The "changing culture" entailed simply picking guys who were on this garbage team for 3+ years and telling them they were leaders because of it.

I have a high tolerance for some things this team does, but completely missing obvious stuff is so frustrating. Its not a trade that requires a dance partner, it's a decision that was completely ours and we screwed it up

Hard disagree, there are plenty of reasons why those guys made sense.

Dating back to juniors, I have six straight years (yes six) of Cozens playing a hard, fast, physical game, sticking up for teammates, and generally saying and doing all the right things, both on and off the ice. That time also includes a bunch of international tourney time as well. I had no problem with them giving him an "A".

If his game is f***ed because Granato and now Ruff are trying to develop him into something he's not, or putting him in over his head at center, then move him back to wing and let him figure it out while providing all those good aspects that *checks notes* two thirds of the of the league is looking to add to their team.

Here's the harsh reality - We are not smarter than the rest of the league, so if they all want to acquire him then our own player evaluation of him is f***ed.

As for Samuelsson, he was a captain on the NDTP, he was a captain in college, he was an acknowledged leader in Rochester, and he's always been one of the most respected guys in the room. There's a reason why the lack of response by him was so shocking to everyone that watched this kid come up through the ranks. The signs of him being a leader have been there for years, if this season determines that he isn't part of the leadership group then so be it.

 

[jc17]

Hard disagree, there are plenty of reasons why those guys made sense.

Dating back to juniors, I have six straight years (yes six) of Cozens playing a hard, fast, physical game, sticking up for teammates, and generally saying and doing all the right things, both on and off the ice. That time also includes a bunch of international tourney time as well. I had no problem with them giving him an "A".

If his game is f***ed because Granato and now Ruff are trying to develop him into something he's not, or putting him in over his head at center, then move him back to wing and let him figure it out while providing all those good aspects that *checks notes* two thirds of the of the league is looking to add to their team.

Here's the harsh reality - We are not smarter than the rest of the league, so if they all want to acquire him then our own player evaluation of him is f***ed.

As for Samuelsson, he was a captain on the NDTP, he was a captain in college, he was an acknowledged leader in Rochester, and he's always been one of the most respected guys in the room. There's a reason why the lack of response by him was so shocking to everyone that watched this kid come up through the ranks. The signs of him being a leader have been there for years, if this season determines that he isn't part of the leadership group then so be it.

See I think that's the issue. Reputation over what they actually provide this team.

And that's not to say they're useless as leaders. I think cozens tries hard is probably somewhat vocal, Samuelsson does some dirty work (aside from Saturday).

But being that guy in juniors or even ahl is different. Pure speculation, but I don't really see Sammy as a guy that would demand a lot from his current teammates. Maybe he was more confident at lower levels to do so. And on the fighting stuff, idk he hits but he's never come across as a rah rah guy, or the "got your back, fiercely loyal" guy.

I think cozens wants to be that guy but his play hasn't backed it up. Coaches' fault or not, he isn't suited for the position right now. It was a lot to ask of him when he's trying to figure himself out

I guess my issue is less with them personally but more with their ability to fill important leadership roles right now

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Hard disagree, there are plenty of reasons why those guys made sense.

Dating back to juniors, I have six straight years (yes six) of Cozens playing a hard, fast, physical game, sticking up for teammates, and generally saying and doing all the right things, both on and off the ice. That time also includes a bunch of international tourney time as well. I had no problem with them giving him an "A".

If his game is f***ed because Granato and now Ruff are trying to develop him into something he's not, or putting him in over his head at center, then move him back to wing and let him figure it out while providing all those good aspects that *checks notes* two thirds of the of the league is looking to add to their team.

Here's the harsh reality - We are not smarter than the rest of the league, so if they all want to acquire him then our own player evaluation of him is f***ed.

As for Samuelsson, he was a captain on the NDTP, he was a captain in college, he was an acknowledged leader in Rochester, and he's always been one of the most respected guys in the room. There's a reason why the lack of response by him was so shocking to everyone that watched this kid come up through the ranks. The signs of him being a leader have been there for years, if this season determines that he isn't part of the leadership group then so be it.

great post!

 

[ValJamesDuex]

from the Oilers board
Seravalli on Oilersnations mentioned that the Oilers also tried to acquire Drew O'Connor last week as well. They are looking for a big, fast forechecking forward...

 

[Fjordy]

Seravalli on Oilersnations that the Oilers also tried to acquire Dew O'Connor last week as well. They are looking for a big, fast forechecking forward...

Lafferty will suit them perfectly.

 

[Chainshot]

Think back to the fight with Hathaway and Cozens' frustration coming off the ice. He was the only guy fired up about what was going on and what was being done to his team and teammates. I'm sure part of what is bothering him is that he is now fully aware that no help is coming from inside the room including from his friends and long-time teammates. It looks like he's so far in his head when he's on the ice that he's overthinking everything and it stands to reason that some of that is how no one else cares. It's been beaten out of him, beaten out of Dahlin too for that matter. It'll probably be beaten out of Benson before too long.

 

[Chainshot]

Seravalli on Oilersnations that the Oilers also tried to acquire Dew O'Connor last week as well. They are looking for a big, fast forechecking forward...

Greenway.

 

[Ehran]

Think back to the fight with Hathaway and Cozens' frustration coming off the ice. He was the only guy fired up about what was going on and what was being done to his team and teammates. I'm sure part of what is bothering him is that he is now fully aware that no help is coming from inside the room including from his friends and long-time teammates. It looks like he's so far in his head when he's on the ice that he's overthinking everything and it stands to reason that some of that is how no one else cares. It's been beaten out of him, beaten out of Dahlin too for that matter. It'll probably be beaten out of Benson before too long.

Didn't Cozens spout off to the press about the lack of passion on the team the next day? And then Adams basically spanked his peepee and made him retract it all.

If I am remembering correctly, I can see why he's not overly committed to putting his body on the line for this team or organization.

 

[Mattilaus]

I've been checked out for a lot of the season but have they tried putting Cozens with a couple guys he can crash and bang with for any extended stretch?

If they aren't trading him then they need to try and get his mojo back. Less focus on production and more on rehabilitating his killer instinct for the rest of the season.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Lafferty will suit them perfectly.

Greenway.

Greenway came to mind here too

 

[SabresFanNorthPortFL]

We suck, it isn’t happening this year, and if we take a step forward next year, it won’t be of a top ten team but a fringe playoff team.

So with that being pretty factual…

If we can trade Tuch for a center that would slot in between our centers of Tage and McLeod, please do it all day long….

Immediately move Cozens to Tuch’s spot and make him a power winger.

Tuch is a good player but always seems to get dinged up, and I’d rather not sign that next contract.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

No rumors ?

 

[Team Cozens]

Two culture and tough players I would target.

Connor Murphy (RHD) Elliotte says plenty of eyes on him.
Trent Frederic (TSN top 10 trade bait)

Move out any combo of Cozens, Quinn, Krebs, Samuelsson, Joker, Rosen, Johnson and picks!
Cozens being a larger trade...