The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

The problem with a potential any EP40 deal is he has a full NMC starting next year.

He also is paid 10M in signing bonus next year with 4.5M in actual salary.

So there is a not impossible scenario in which we trade for him, he plays out the year, collects his signing bonus....and then says "trade me to one of these 5 teams" and sits on his signing bonus and waits for a deal to be done. The potential of losing 4.5M is tiny compared to his 92M total contract. And the Sabres would need to swap the asset fast as they need to make the playoffs, so they'd likely be taking a big loss asset wise and a 10M cash hit for their time.

So, before any deal gets done, the Sabres would need to speak with his agent and get his interest in actually coming here, because its likely he is probably salty about how things turned out in Vancouver after signing an 8 year deal.
In other words, even signed young players and RFAs basically have unofficial trade clauses. Adams needs to grow some balls and make a trade regardless, even if they might hold us hostage in the future.

Not saying EP is that player he should sign, but Jesus the guy eventually needs to take a risk.
 
I mean, Norris is not without risk since he's had multiple shoulder issues. *shrug* I guess we'll see. It would be funny to me if Cozens does go to the Canucks, he reminds me of Trevor Linden in a lot of ways.

It would be a real tough call for the Canucks. An injured Norris or an healthy Cozens. Wouldn’t want to be the one to make that choice.

Making room for Petterson ;)



1.4 mil heading to the minors

A good reminder that it’s not just that they don’t spend money…it’s that the money they do spend is done so foolishly by an unqualified idiot.

Efficient. Economical. Effective.

Three strikes and you’d be out of anywhere with any standard whatsoever.
 
I don't know how Ottawa can beat Byram + Cozens plus we could add another player from the roster or prospect. Yakemchuk just comes to mind, but I'm not sure it's better.

By the way, Ottawa also has Pettersson (prospect). :laugh:
 
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The problem with a potential any EP40 deal is he has a full NMC starting next year.

He also is paid 10M in signing bonus next year with 4.5M in actual salary.

So there is a not impossible scenario in which we trade for him, he plays out the year, collects his signing bonus....and then says "trade me to one of these 5 teams" and sits on his signing bonus and waits for a deal to be done. The potential of losing 4.5M is tiny compared to his 92M total contract. And the Sabres would need to swap the asset fast as they need to make the playoffs, so they'd likely be taking a big loss asset wise and a 10M cash hit for their time.

So, before any deal gets done, the Sabres would need to speak with his agent and get his interest in actually coming here, because its likely he is probably salty about how things turned out in Vancouver after signing an 8 year deal.

Even beyond that, he has $5M in bonus due July 1st every year from 2027 to 2031. Every. Year.
 
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tbf, I think he was a good signing on paper. He just never seemed to get out of the gate, and I think injuries did not help.
Yeah. And he had his games where he really took on the role of disturber and grinder.....and then others where he was an abject disaster. I thought he'd be a guy that would play well under Ruff.....even if he never hit the heights he did last year.

Oops.
 
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tbf, I think he was a good signing on paper. He just never seemed to get out of the gate, and I think injuries did not help.
I also thought he was a fine signing.

Even the things that look ok on paper tend to not work for Adams.

Nothing left to do but laugh.
 
Even beyond that, he has $5M in bonus due July 1st every year from 2027 to 2031. Every. Year.

That isn't really an issue, that is simply the price for getting a star player under the CBA. They avoid escrow and minimize risk of a lockout.

The issue is the impending NMC and potential for any trade to set back the franchise more than it already is if Pettersson simply doesn't want to be here, which isn't something that can simply be waived away.

The potential for an expensive black eye and crater in asset management if a massive trade like this backfires.

In the scenario where you pay the premium price to get this player, and the next season he simply uses his NMC to force you to trade him after his signing bonus is paid out and wants to go to a limited set of teams

You would be out:

  • 10M cash
  • Likely taking half (or less) of what you paid for Pettersson because you simply can't him on the bench in another must win season
  • Just more organizational embarrassment of a player saying 'get me the f*** out of here'
The type of finesse and competence that would be required to both pull off the trade AND then sell the player who is salty about the team he just signed an 8 year deal to the worst franchise in the league to that its good to be here is not something Adams has shown the ability to do.

This is why the Pegulas simply need to end the madness now and get Adams out of there. The franchise cannot exist under an understaffed and incompetent group that is facing a ratcheting amount of public pressure by the minute.

This season should simply be old yellered at this point, put an interim GM in there with the instructions to sell off pending UFAs and find an interesting reclamation project or two for the opened roster spots.

Focus on building up the new front office around someone with experience and competence. Allowing Kevyn to even consider a deal with this potential impact and backlash is asking for a 20 year playoff drought.
 
I don't know how Ottawa can beat Byram + Cozens plus we could add another player from the roster or prospect. Yakemchuk just comes to mind, but I'm not sure it's better.

By the way, Ottawa also has Pettersson (prospect). :laugh:
Would you trade Mittelstadt and Cozens for EP? Hell ya so for me its an easy yes if thats the offer.
 
That isn't really an issue, that is simply the price for getting a star player under the CBA. They avoid escrow and minimize risk of a lockout.

The issue is the impending NMC and potential for any trade to set back the franchise more than it already is if Pettersson simply doesn't want to be here, which isn't something that can simply be waived away.

The potential for an expensive black eye and crater in asset management if a massive trade like this backfires.

In the scenario where you pay the premium price to get this player, and the next season he simply uses his NMC to force you to trade him after his signing bonus is paid out and wants to go to a limited set of teams

You would be out:

  • 10M cash
  • Likely taking half (or less) of what you paid for Pettersson because you simply can't him on the bench in another must win season
  • Just more organizational embarrassment of a player saying 'get me the f*** out of here'
The type of finesse and competence that would be required to both pull off the trade AND then sell the player who is salty about the team he just signed an 8 year deal to the worst franchise in the league to that its good to be here is not something Adams has shown the ability to do.

This is why the Pegulas simply need to end the madness now and get Adams out of there. The franchise cannot exist under an understaffed and incompetent group that is facing a ratcheting amount of public pressure by the minute.

This season should simply be old yellered at this point, put an interim GM in there with the instructions to sell off pending UFAs and find an interesting reclamation project or two for the opened roster spots.

Focus on building up the new front office around someone with experience and competence. Allowing Kevyn to even consider a deal with this potential impact and backlash is asking for a 20 year playoff drought.
They will easily avoid that whole hornet’s nest by simply not trading for him. Also, once again, Adams isn’t going anywhere for all of the reasons already noted a milllion times.
 
Would you trade Mittelstadt and Cozens for EP? Hell ya so for me its an easy yes if thats the offer.
It's not even Mitts + Cozens, because I think we just don't need three PMDs on defense and we need to rebuild our top 4 by adding two defensemen of a completely different type than Byram.
 
Dreger

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Buffalo Sabres sources have acknowledged “they’ve been in it” from day one and “will stay in it” until told otherwise

- Based on the number of conversations between Allvin and Kevyn Adams, both sides know where the line is drawn

- Sabres are willing to part with top pieces, names Dylan Cozens & Bowen Byram, but thinks the Sabres are asking for Pettersson and something else while the Canucks may not view it that way

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Damn, if Adams is asking for anything else there and it's the reason the deal doesn't happen, he's an even bigger idiot than I thought and overvalues his players like hell. I'd even pay a little extra with this package if that's what it took. Other teams are also talking about EP40, Columbus and Rangers have been mentioned.
 
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We all know the Sabres aren’t landing this guy. If so he will come here and immediately want out. Just because he can be dealt here doesn’t mean he will like it.

Would you?
Much easier for friends and family to visit. I think he bought property in Stockholm.

He'll also get away from teammates and a management that doesn't seem to appreciate him.
 
Dreger

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Buffalo Sabres sources have acknowledged “they’ve been in it” from day one and “will stay in it” until told otherwise

- Based on the number of conversations between Allvin and Kevyn Adams, both sides know where the line is drawn

- Sabres are willing to part with top pieces, names Dylan Cozens & Bowen Byram, but thinks the Sabres are asking for Pettersson and something else while the Canucks may not view it that way

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Damn, if Adams is asking for anything else there and it's the reason the deal doesn't happen, he's an even bigger idiot than I thought and overvalues his players like hell. I'd even pay a little extra with this package if that's what it took. Other teams are also talking about EP40, Columbus and Rangers have been mentioned.
Holding out for the next Krebs...
If he wants another piece then he needs to add and put something more in.
He seen what it took to get a Necas/Rantanen.
 
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I have a feel Pettersson will be dealt somewhere other than Buffalo and will be will left scratching our heads at the return. "Really? We couldnt have beaten that deal?
I hope I'm wrong
 
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I have a feel Pettersson will be dealt somewhere other than Buffalo and will be will left scratching our heads at the return. "Really? We couldnt have beaten that deal?
I hope I'm wrong
I still hope he ends up in Buffalo, we probably have a lot of better assets than other teams and we really need him in every way.
 

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