The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[Beerz]

That's bad news.

Sounds like a Kasper deal...

Adams is such a fool.

 

[Krieger Bot]

Things I learned today: Apparently my patience with Dylan Cozens has no limit.

Reading all these trade ideas and despite his struggles, I still have no desire to move him.

Power on the other hand... He even has some pretty analytics that should boost his trade value to some out there.

Heh - I'm in the same boat. I get that Cozens has been playing poorly for quite a while now. But I see that as mostly the result of playing center. His combination of size and skill wins in the playoffs. And I'd hate to see us sell low on him, only to watch some other team turn him into Kreider 2.0.

Power though? I...just don't know how likely it is that he's going to put it all together. Sublime passer in the offensive third of the ice. But just about everything else? That needs a lot of work.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

I'd like to get Pettersson, Crouse and Kesselring. In the summer, try to add two defensemen from UFA, one vet for the third pair like Cole or Dumoulin, and the second top 4 RD to play with Power/Byram or Dahlin, someone like Kovacevic, Pionk, Fabbro. Well, if it doesn't work out, then a trade.

Do the Sabres have the ammo and initiative to get those moves done ? Not likely.

Do you feel Crouse could replace Greenway ?

 

[Fjordy]

Do the Sabres have the ammo to get those moves done ? Not likely.

Do you feel Crouse could replace Greenway ?

I think there is, we have a lot of different assets.

Yeap, in the long run he may even be better than Greenway, he is physical and good at defense, but he has already had two seasons with 40+ points and 20+ goals in his career. We might even try it in the top 6 RW.

That's bad news.

Sounds like a Kasper deal...

Adams is such a fool.

While I like Kasper, it wouldn't make sense for us at this point.

 

[truthbluth]

That's bad news.

Sounds like a Kasper deal...

Adams is such a fool.

He’s just trying to make a team in Lindy’s image. He wants his centers to all be defensive wizards. I honestly wouldn’t hate that deal, because I think Cozens’ contract is terrible, but I do think he’s the better player, now and in the future.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

I think there is, we have a lot of different assets.

Yeap, in the long run he may even be better than Greenway, he is physical and good at defense, but he has already had two seasons with 40+ points and 20+ goals in his career. We might even try it in the top 6 RW.


While I like Kasper, it wouldn't make sense for us at this point.

I think it was for Compher +

 

[Fjordy]

I think it was for Compher +

I seriously doubt it, it would make even less sense. Kasper is the one they wanted in the draft, he can play defense and he is a natural center. Compher is bad, even worse than Copp, I think. It would be very stupid.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

I seriously doubt it, it would make even less sense. Kasper is the one they wanted in the draft, he can play defense and he is a natural center. Compher is bad, even worse than Copp, I think. It would be very stupid.

We will never likely know as the solution is in the room...

 

[Jim Bob]

Red Wings Exploring Dylan Cozens Deal: Is He Worth It? - The Hockey Writers Detroit Red Wings Latest News, Analysis & More

The Detroit Red Wings have been scouting Buffalo Sabres forward Dylan Cozens as a potential trade target according to an NHL insider.

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Final Word​

In addition to Compher, Copp, or Rasmussen, the Red Wings would likely need to include either Nate Danielson or Marco Kasper in a trade for Cozens. Apart from these two, I’m not sure Detroit has the young, NHL-ready talent that the Sabres covet. In my opinion, they’re better off keeping these prospects to pursue a bigger fish – say Elias Pettersson of the Vancouver Canucks.

Despite the flaws, Cozens could be a solid addition for the Red Wings. They need size up front and will have two open top-six spots this offseason. That said, the cost will be the ultimate determinant here, and the Red Wings should not overpay for a mixed bag like Cozens.

This is an interesting take from the Detroit side of things.

 

[Beerz]

He’s just trying to make a team in Lindy’s image. He wants his centers to all be defensive wizards. I honestly wouldn’t hate that deal, because I think Cozens’ contract is terrible, but I do think he’s the better player, now and in the future.

Only Buffalo could find a way to get younger by trading a 23 year old

 

[Fjordy]

Red Wings Exploring Dylan Cozens Deal: Is He Worth It? - The Hockey Writers Detroit Red Wings Latest News, Analysis & More

The Detroit Red Wings have been scouting Buffalo Sabres forward Dylan Cozens as a potential trade target according to an NHL insider.

thehockeywriters.com

This is an interesting take from the Detroit side of things.

Detroit doesn't have the assets for Pettersson unless it's a center + defenseman and they don't want to trade their young D. From that perspective, our package for Pettersson would be more attractive because we have Power, Byram, Cozens and Kulich.

Only Buffalo could find a way to get younger by trading a 23 year old

It could also be more economical, which is what Terry wants. But Detroit doesn't have the cap space for Cozens anyway, so obviously some of their less-than-attractive assets would return to Buffalo.

 

[truthbluth]

Kevyn Adams won't make a trade before the week leading up to the TDL where he dumps UFAs for futures. Book it. He's incapable of pulling off a big trade. He's incapable of working another GM.

He's completely unqualified for this position, and though he continues to prove that decision after terrible decision, he's also never going to be fired because this franchise is a fluffy play toy for Terry, and now that he's no longer interested in losing $20million/year on his fluffy play toy, he won't be paying more people to not work for him. He knows that the Bills and their unbelievable success is the only sports legacy he'll be known for.

Whether we like it or not, the NHL is a 3rd tier professional sport, much closer in relevance to MLS and NLL than the NFL. It's best to just find another team or quit watching hockey.

 

[Fjordy]

It's best to just find another team or quit watching hockey.

I'm already thinking about it, let's see how this season goes and what the consequences will be.

 

[truthbluth]

I'm already thinking about it, let's see how this season goes and what the consequences will be.

Got to live our lives man. You can't keep investing in something this rotten.

 

[Fjordy]

McLeod has been better than Cozens this season. They have similar stats, but Cozens has played more minutes and gotten a lot more PP time. Especially since McLeod is a much better player without the puck than Dylan. Even though he had a cold period when their third line fell apart, he was still more responsible defensively.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Kevyn Adams won't make a trade before the week leading up to the TDL where he dumps UFAs for futures. Book it. He's incapable of pulling off a big trade. He's incapable of working another GM.

He's completely unqualified for this position, and though he continues to prove that decision after terrible decision, he's also never going to be fired because this franchise is a fluffy play toy for Terry, and now that he's no longer interested in losing $20million/year on his fluffy play toy, he won't be paying more people to not work for him. He knows that the Bills and their unbelievable success is the only sports legacy he'll be known for.

Whether we like it or not, the NHL is a 3rd tier professional sport, much closer in relevance to MLS and NLL than the NFL. It's best to just find another team or quit watching hockey.

I mean I don't like the job Adams has done either but this is false. He made the biggest trade in the league last year with Mittelstadt for Byram lol

 

[Chainshot]

That's bad news.

Sounds like a Kasper deal...

Adams is such a fool.

The comment was that DRW were looking at Cozens. That's Friedman's comment. Not that it was Buffalo initiating, not that they made the deal.

 

[Fjordy]

The comment was that DRW were looking at Cozens. That's Friedman's comment. Not that it was Buffalo initiating, not that they made the deal.

Yeah, but now he says they're almost done deal and the teams are still studying each other's games. As I understand it, it's probably not over yet. Something similar happened with the Mitts for Byram trade.

 

[joshjull]

Why wasn't Ruff allowed to hire assistants? Or do you think he, like an idiot, decided to work with Appert (whom he himself said he had no idea who he was), Wilford and whoever else we have left. It's bloody weird.

Couple things on this

1) I don’t think Ruff came into his blind. He knew what he was walking into with the assistant coach situation. I think that’s why it took him some time to decide after getting asked. Adams sucks as a GM. But for a variety of reasons, I can’t imagine he would blindside Ruff after hiring him with “Oh by the way, you can’t hire your own assistants. Suprise!”

2) I have to imagine it was for financial reasons. But it’s not happening in a vacuum. We are currently paying Granato what would be the 14th highest NHL coach’s salary to not coach. If you combine that with whatever Ruff is getting this season. We would possibly have a total coaching payroll for this season into the top 10. Obviously a very f***ed up way to get there.


Which brings me back to my post you quoted. I said there were two extremes.

1) Spending as much as possible on the team.
2) Spending as little as possible on the team.

The Sabres fall in between those two. But too many posters equate, not doing #1 as being the same as doing #2. Thats simply not the case.

The coaching situation is a decent example of this. Pegula will have to eat 8 -9mil in coach’s salaries due to the firings of Krueger and Granato. By definition thats not spending as little as possible on the team. But that doesn’t negate that the team wasn’t willing to spend enough to reshape the coahcing staff. Two things can be true at once.


I still wonder how much of this coaching situation is Adams doing and how much of this is Pegula’s. It strikes me as Adams trying to make up for his f*** up (extending Granato) and luckily having a HC friend available. Who would be willing to come here in attempt to fix things but with restrictions. I also have a hard time believing Pegula would care about such a small amount of money as the cost of our assistant coaches.

 

[Fjordy]

Couple things on this

1) I don’t think Ruff came into his blind. He knew what he was walking into with the assistant coach situation. I think that’s why it took him some time to decide after getting asked. Adams sucks as a GM. But for a variety of reasons, I can’t imagine he would blindside Ruff after hiring him with “Oh by the way, you can’t hire your own assistants. Suprise!”

2) I have to imagine it was for financial reasons. But it’s not happening in a vacuum. We are currently paying Granato what would be the 14th highest NHL coach’s salary to not coach. If you combine that with whatever Ruff is getting this season. We would possibly have a total coaching payroll for this season into the top 10. Obviously a very f***ed up way to get there.


Which brings me back to my post you quoted. I said there were two extremes.

1) Spending as much as possible on the team.
2) Spending as little as possible on the team.

The Sabres fall in between those two. But too many posters equate, not doing #1 as being the same as doing #2. Thats simply not the case.

The coaching situation is a decent example of this. Pegula will have to eat 8 -9mil in coach’s salaries due to the firings of Krueger and Granato. By definition thats not spending as little as possible on the team. But that doesn’t negate that the team wasn’t willing to spend enough to reshape the coahcing staff. Two things can be true at once.


I still wonder how much of this coaching situation is Adams doing and how much of this is Pegula’s. I could see both arguments. But this strikes me as Adams trying to make up for hsi f*** up (extending Granato) and having a friend willing to come here to try to fix it.

I don't really care how much they pay or who they pay, they hired them and fired them. But they were obligated to let Raff hire his own guys, they didn't. Another of the many blunders by the idiot owner and his clown GM, that's all I need to know.

 

[joshjull]

I don't really care how much they pay or who they pay, they hired them and fired them. But they were obligated to let Raff hire his own guys, they didn't. Another of the many blunders by the idiot owner and his clown GM, that's all I need to know.

Then why did you quote my initial post or this last one?

 

[Beerz]

The comment was that DRW were looking at Cozens. That's Friedman's comment. Not that it was Buffalo initiating, not that they made the deal.

I know.. im just projecting what it would be if it happened. And I can definitely see it happening.

 

[Fjordy]

Then why did you quote my initial post or this last one?

I forgot about this post, but it doesn't change the point. Even if you pay former coaches, you should let the new coach choose his assistants, especially if your team hasn't been to the playoffs in 14 years and isn't currently in rebuilding mode.

 

[Chainshot]

I know.. im just projecting what it would be if it happened. And I can definitely see it happening.

In long-term trauma, it's easy to move to catastrophizing. We haven't seen them f*** this up yet, we can focus on what they have f***ed up instead.

That was supposed to sound funnier and less depressing.