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Deep Blue Metallic

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I went over to the Canucks board and they think their GM is all about acquiring Byram as the 2 to Quinn.
Not picking on you in particular, but "Over on the fill-in-the-blank-team's board they're saying ..." is a very questionable rationale I see posted all the time. In this specific case, they just need to wait on Hronek, who is the perfect complement to Quinn.

For the record, Mitts for Byram was a great hockey trade that has hurt the Sabres big time. I like Bo - he knows hockey ;-). But if he wants out, it's absolutely him traded over Power. I can live quite happily with a top-4 anchored by Dahlin and Power.

And a GM who can find partners to complement them.

Oh ya, and if Byram insists on being *the guy* on D, Vancouver is among the worst possible landing spots.
 

Fjordy

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Not picking on you in particular, but "Over on the fill-in-the-blank-team's board they're saying ..." is a very questionable rationale I see posted all the time. In this specific case, they just need to wait on Hronek, who is the perfect complement to Quinn.

For the record, Mitts for Byram was a great hockey trade that has hurt the Sabres big time. I like Bo - he knows hockey ;-). But if he wants out, it's absolutely him traded over Power. I can live quite happily with a top-4 anchored by Dahlin and Power.

And a GM who can find partners to complement them.

Oh ya, and if Byram insists on being *the guy* on D, Vancouver is among the worst possible landing spots.
On the other hand, they need a guy who moves the puck on the second pair and Byram is their local guy.
 

Deep Blue Metallic

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Where does this happen? He also has no NTC/NMC.

Or maybe his agent said this on purpose, just to get out of the city safely.
I don't get it.

You said this ... "they need a guy who moves the puck on the second pair and Byram is their local guy".

Afaic keep Dahlin, Power, and Byram.
 

Der Jaeger

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This is so goofy. Just because young players make mistakes does not mean they have poor hockey IQ.

Have you seriously ever watched EP40, Zegras, or McTavish play? It's the same stuff. EP40 has had a ton of blunders recently. That doesn't mean he has poor hockey IQ.

Now we're comparing Tage/Peterka/Power to Ristolainen? There's not much to say. Can't really take you seriously.
My son plays high level hockey and my daughter plays in college. Hockey games are on all my TVs all the time in my house. I’ve seen all those guys play tons of times.

It’s not just “he made a bad pass.” It’s positioning for puck support and knowing how to anticipate where to be in puck support. That’s literally the single most important trait a center can have. It’s why Ruff said what he did.

It’s also the hockey IQ to know what to do with the puck. Thompson and Peterka constantly make poor puck choices that derail opportunities. It’s maddening, and it’s happened under two coaches now. It’s the player.

Conversely, you almost never see Benson just give the puck away, or over handle, or move the puck in a way that screws up a scoring chance. It’s because he’s a smart, smart player.
Not picking on you in particular, but "Over on the fill-in-the-blank-team's board they're saying ..." is a very questionable rationale I see posted all the time. In this specific case, they just need to wait on Hronek, who is the perfect complement to Quinn.

For the record, Mitts for Byram was a great hockey trade that has hurt the Sabres big time. I like Bo - he knows hockey ;-). But if he wants out, it's absolutely him traded over Power. I can live quite happily with a top-4 anchored by Dahlin and Power.

And a GM who can find partners to complement them.

Oh ya, and if Byram insists on being *the guy* on D, Vancouver is among the worst possible landing spots.
Posters on the Canucks board are talking about their GM, not their own preference. I think it’s from local reporting but I haven’t looked.
 

Jim Bob

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My son plays high level hockey and my daughter plays in college. Hockey games are on all my TVs all the time in my house. I’ve seen all those guys play tons of times.

It’s not just “he made a bad pass.” It’s positioning for puck support and knowing how to anticipate where to be in puck support. That’s literally the single most important trait a center can have. It’s why Ruff said what he did.

It’s also the hockey IQ to know what to do with the puck. Thompson and Peterka constantly make poor puck choices that derail opportunities. It’s maddening, and it’s happened under two coaches now. It’s the player.

Conversely, you almost never see Benson just give the puck away, or over handle, or move the puck in a way that screws up a scoring chance. It’s because he’s a smart, smart player.

Posters on the Canucks board are talking about their GM, not their own preference. I think it’s from local reporting but I haven’t looked.
We have seen multiple goals against in the past week because Benson made poor decisions with the puck, turned it over, it goes the other way, and ends up in the back of the Sabres net.

One of them was Benson trying to stickhandle through three guys as opposed to just chipping it deep and chasing it.

The funk with this team runs deep and rushing Benson to the NHL is just one example of it, IMO.
 

TommyDangles

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My son plays high level hockey and my daughter plays in college. Hockey games are on all my TVs all the time in my house. I’ve seen all those guys play tons of times.

It’s not just “he made a bad pass.” It’s positioning for puck support and knowing how to anticipate where to be in puck support. That’s literally the single most important trait a center can have. It’s why Ruff said what he did.

It’s also the hockey IQ to know what to do with the puck. Thompson and Peterka constantly make poor puck choices that derail opportunities. It’s maddening, and it’s happened under two coaches now. It’s the player.

Conversely, you almost never see Benson just give the puck away, or over handle, or move the puck in a way that screws up a scoring chance. It’s because he’s a smart, smart player.

Posters on the Canucks board are talking about their GM, not their own preference. I think it’s from local reporting but I haven’t looked.
> I’ve seen all those guys play tons of times.

If this was true you'd never include those players in your suggestion. They have the same issues.

> It’s not just “he made a bad pass.” It’s positioning for puck support and knowing how to
anticipate where to be in puck support. That’s literally the single most important trait a center can have. It’s why Ruff said what he did.
> It’s also the hockey IQ to know what to do with the puck. Thompson and Peterka constantly make poor puck choices that derail opportunities. It’s maddening, and it’s happened under two coaches now. It’s the player.

The entire team is playing bad right now. There is plenty of film showing the opposite. These guys are some of the lone bright spots on the team.

> Conversely, you almost never see Benson just give the puck away, or over handle, or move the puck in a way that screws up a scoring chance. It’s because he’s a smart, smart player.

You definitely do lol. Seems like you just see what you want to see.
 

Der Jaeger

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We have seen multiple goals against in the past week because Benson made poor decisions with the puck, turned it over, it goes the other way, and ends up in the back of the Sabres net.

One of them was Benson trying to stickhandle through three guys as opposed to just chipping it deep and chasing it.

The funk with this team runs deep and rushing Benson to the NHL is just one example of it, IMO.
Sure, but we remember them because they aren't as frequent, and he's 19 years old.

Some players make poor decisions more in a game than he does in a week.
> I’ve seen all those guys play tons of times.

If this was true you'd never include those players in your suggestion. They have the same issues.

> It’s not just “he made a bad pass.” It’s positioning for puck support and knowing how to
anticipate where to be in puck support. That’s literally the single most important trait a center can have. It’s why Ruff said what he did.
> It’s also the hockey IQ to know what to do with the puck. Thompson and Peterka constantly make poor puck choices that derail opportunities. It’s maddening, and it’s happened under two coaches now. It’s the player.

The entire team is playing bad right now. There is plenty of film showing the opposite. These guys are some of the lone bright spots on the team.

> Conversely, you almost never see Benson just give the puck away, or over handle, or move the puck in a way that screws up a scoring chance. It’s because he’s a smart, smart player.

You definitely do lol. Seems like you just see what you want to see.
You're just going to have your opinion, and I'll have mine. Here's why I think what I do:

My kids play hockey in the south. Which means we travel a minimum of 4 hours to play any games. It's not like Buffalo, where the Regals can head across town in 15 minutes to play the Jr. Sabres or Nichols.

Why does that matter? I spend almost every weekend in a hotel. Tampa, Miami, Buffalo, Chicago, Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Boston, Ann Arbor, etc. And I spend hours upon hours watching college football and hockey. Mostly hockey games that a lot of people don't watch.

I knew when Ristolainen, Bogosian, and Kane were low hockey IQ players because I watched games on TV, and in Raleigh.... and in Dallas.... and in Nashville.

When I pounded the table for Fabbro for years, there was a reason. I watched him a ton, and when we played in Nashville and went to home games, I watched the Preds in person. I watched him successfully ride shotgun for Josi.

When I pounded the table for Lundell at the draft, I'd watched his Liiga games while sitting in a hotel. And then watched him in person in Sunrise, wishing Adams didn't overthink the pick and knowing that Lundell was going to become a stalwart 3C for a decade.

When I pounded the table for Beniers over Power, I watched both at Michigan in person, at Jost Arena, more than once. The guy that trained the Michigan trainers on Power Edge Pro, and spent time on the ice with both Power and Beniers, trains my son. So I knew a little about what I was talking about.

When I'm writing about hockey IQ, some of what shapes my thoughts was talking to a Bruins scout who comes to PEP training events in Toronto. He wasn't there as a scout, just an on-ice coach. I had dinner with him two years ago and he explained to me what the Bruins thought about Savoie and Benson. That's also how I know what the Bruins look for.

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I throw crazy trade proposals on this board a lot.... part of it is to see what people think. Brainstorming in a digital and distributed fashion. But sometimes, I pound the table. Fabbro, Beniers, Lundell, centers with hockey IQ. This isn't a pissed off poster with loud mouthed opinion. I watch, talked to people who know a lot about hockey, and then make opinions.

I'll be off the Cozens and Byram for Pettersson idea in a bit. Same with Power to Anaheim. I'm not tied to any of that. I've got no favorites on the team. Don't even own a jersey and haven't for years. I was the big Olofsson guy when he was a prospect and then advocated for Adams to trade him for Fabbro when Olofsson was coming off a 28-goal season, and Nashville was simultaneously down on Fabbro and needed a power play shooter. So I'm not going to stay tied to any player.

But I can tell you for sure that I'm tied to the idea of improving the team's hockey IQ. It sucks. It's not just bad play. It's players in key positions playing key minutes doing dumb things and being out of position. If you don't think that's true, why did Ruff call his centers out for not reading the plays properly?

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the Bruins are not ever worried about the Sabres because no matter how talented the Sabres are, the Bruins will always be loaded up with a roster which won't beat itself. Every sweet play by Eichel or O'Reilly or Reinhart or Dahlin is always equalized out by some stupid play by Ristolainen or Kane or Bogosian or Skinner or Thompson or Peterka.

I have hope with players like Ostlund and Helenius coming up in the system, and they'll probably get another high pick. But until the team can build a center spine with the IQ to actually play the position (puck support, transition support), teams like Boston are just going to keep winning games like we saw this weekend.
 
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Fjordy

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@toddkaz Just to understand the difference who we need more.

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nickdawg95

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these guys here are so comfortable with losing,its the effort. no one fights for each other. no one finishes their checks. so many fly bys. everyone is too comfortable with playing this p***yfoot brand of hockey. i've felt this way since cernak elbowed dahlin had him on the ice bleeding and every sabre on the ice didn't do anything.

To this day we have No heart. no accountability and just no comradery. you can say its the pegulas I understand why but with that being said, we ice a 23 man roster and not one of those guys consistently fight for eachother or play with an ounce of fire.
 

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these guys here are so comfortable with losing,its the effort. no one fights for each other. no one finishes their checks. so many fly bys. everyone is too comfortable with playing this p***yfoot brand of hockey. i've felt this way since cernak elbowed dahlin had him on the ice bleeding and every sabre on the ice didn't do anything.

To this day we have No heart. no accountability and just no comradery. you can say its the pegulas I understand why but with that being said, we ice a 23 man roster and not one of those guys consistently fight for eachother or play with an ounce of fire.
I think the streak has broken them mentally, but I don't really think this applied to most of the season tbh
 

Misko

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I don't get a sense that anything will happen during the season. I dont think Adams has the talent or foresight to pull off any substantial in-season staff changes nor do I think Pegula has the balls or initiative to fire Adams and reinvent the org in-season. It there's any changes to the coaching staff or front office, I don't think they will happen until after the final game of the season. I don't think will be any major trades outside of depth trades for depth picks at the trade deadline.

I hope I am wrong, but this losing streak would have gotten people fired and things changed in any other serious franchise. The team looks fundamentally lost, broken, listless out there on the ice and Adams and friends are still sitting on their hands. No serious franchise would have let this drag on like this without some changes or at least more communication.
 

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My kids play hockey in the south. Which means we travel a minimum of 4 hours to play any games. It's not like Buffalo, where the Regals can head across town in 15 minutes to play the Jr. Sabres or Nichols.

Why does that matter? I spend almost every weekend in a hotel. Tampa, Miami, Buffalo, Chicago, Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Boston, Ann Arbor, etc. And I spend hours upon hours watching college football and hockey. Mostly hockey games that a lot of people don't watch.

I knew when Ristolainen, Bogosian, and Kane were low hockey IQ players because I watched games on TV, and in Raleigh.... and in Dallas.... and in Nashville.

When I pounded the table for Fabbro for years, there was a reason. I watched him a ton, and when we played in Nashville and went to home games, I watched the Preds in person. I watched him successfully ride shotgun for Josi.

When I pounded the table for Lundell at the draft, I'd watched his Liiga games while sitting in a hotel. And then watched him in person in Sunrise, wishing Adams didn't overthink the pick and knowing that Lundell was going to become a stalwart 3C for a decade.

When I pounded the table for Beniers over Power, I watched both at Michigan in person, at Jost Arena, more than once. The guy that trained the Michigan trainers on Power Edge Pro, and spent time on the ice with both Power and Beniers, trains my son. So I knew a little about what I was talking about.

When I'm writing about hockey IQ, some of what shapes my thoughts was talking to a Bruins scout who comes to PEP training events in Toronto. He wasn't there as a scout, just an on-ice coach. I had dinner with him two years ago and he explained to me what the Bruins thought about Savoie and Benson. That's also how I know what the Bruins look for.

------


I throw crazy trade proposals on this board a lot.... part of it is to see what people think. Brainstorming in a digital and distributed fashion. But sometimes, I pound the table. Fabbro, Beniers, Lundell, centers with hockey IQ. This isn't a pissed off poster with loud mouthed opinion. I watch, talked to people who know a lot about hockey, and then make opinions.

I'll be off the Cozens and Byram for Pettersson idea in a bit. Same with Power to Anaheim. I'm not tied to any of that. I've got no favorites on the team. Don't even own a jersey and haven't for years. I was the big Olofsson guy when he was a prospect and then advocated for Adams to trade him for Fabbro when Olofsson was coming off a 28-goal season, and Nashville was simultaneously down on Fabbro and needed a power play shooter. So I'm not going to stay tied to any player.

But I can tell you for sure that I'm tied to the idea of improving the team's hockey IQ. It sucks. It's not just bad play. It's players in key positions playing key minutes doing dumb things and being out of position. If you don't think that's true, why did Ruff call his centers out for not reading the plays properly?

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the Bruins are not ever worried about the Sabres because no matter how talented the Sabres are, the Bruins will always be loaded up with a roster which won't beat itself. Every sweet play by Eichel or O'Reilly or Reinhart or Dahlin is always equalized out by some stupid play by Ristolainen or Kane or Bogosian or Skinner or Thompson or Peterka.

I have hope with players like Ostlund and Helenius coming up in the system, and they'll probably get another high pick. But until the team can build a center spine with the IQ to actually play the position (puck support, transition support), teams like Boston are just going to keep winning games like we saw this weekend.
You were the same guy that told me Jake Virtanen was the next Tom Wilson. You gave the same spiel about how much you watch hockey when I said he's just a run of the mill bottom 6er.

You were pounding the table to go after Peyton Krebs.

You were high on Olli Julolevi

You were pounding the table to trade for Lias Andersson.

You also wanted to trade Reinhart for OEL.

Once somebody criticizes one of your takes it's the same thing every time. My kids play hockey. I know scouts. I watch a lot of hockey.

The appeal to authority gets old quick. Clearly. You have just as many awful takes on here as anyone else on here.

There's so much going on to act like you can evaluate Tage/Power/Peterka as being low IQ is just hilarious to me. There is so much film out there of them making smart players. They're just in a bad situation right now. It's the same situation as Eichel. Any of these guys go on a different team and they are leading a contender in the playoffs.
 

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You were the same guy that told me Jake Virtanen was the next Tom Wilson. You gave the same spiel about how much you watch hockey when I said he's just a run of the mill bottom 6er.

You were pounding the table to go after Peyton Krebs.

You were high on Olli Julolevi

You were pounding the table to trade for Lias Andersson.

You also wanted to trade Reinhart for OEL.

Once somebody criticizes one of your takes it's the same thing every time. My kids play hockey. I know scouts. I watch a lot of hockey.

The appeal to authority gets old quick. Clearly. You have just as many awful takes on here as anyone else on here.

There's so much going on to act like you can evaluate Tage/Power/Peterka as being low IQ is just hilarious to me. There is so much film out there of them making smart players. They're just in a bad situation right now. It's the same situation as Eichel. Any of these guys go on a different team and they are leading a contender in the playoffs.
Are you confusing me with Jame?

I was high on Juolevi based on his WJC play during his draft year. Guess what? So were NHL teams. Buffalo never got a chance to draft him.

I was in on Andersson as a buy low reclamation project.

I never thought Virtanen was Wilson. I never advocated trading Reinhart for OEL. I didn’t want to trade Reinhart at all.

I wasn’t crazy high on Krebs. I liked him. But the poster crazy high on Krebs was Jame.

But good try.
 
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Fjordy

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The situation with Byram needs to be resolved, preferably before the TDL. If he really wants to be 1D and have time on PP1, maybe even Calgary could give it to him. According to Flames fans, Andersson hasn't always gotten time on PP1 and hasn't always been good at it.
 
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Fjordy

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Kreider (ntc) was a scratch today for the NYR btw...
Rosters are frozen until the 28th now
Kreider is a wild card, I'm just worried that his game is really starting to fall off a cliff, or maybe it's the overall atmosphere in the team and the terrible Zibanejad that is affecting him. We could use a player like Kreider type, although we really need playmakers too.
 
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