The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[joshjull]

Thanks Chad.

Amazing insight on his part.

I don’t know anything but something might happen.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

With sabres clearat not a playoff team But just outside One. Ehat can we do Today to add to the roster making that jump ?

 

[Fjordy]

With sabres clearat not a playoff team But just outside One. Ehat can we do Today to add to the roster making that jump ?

Make some trade(s).

 

[joshjull]

I get needing to learn how to do it since he’s always been a starter. But not knowing it’s a thing?

 

[MarkusKetterer]

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I get needing to learn how to do it since he’s always been a starter. But not knowing it’s a thing?

Devil backups never needed that skill seeing they never played

 

[Fjordy]

Peterka/Benson - Thompson - Tuch/xxxx
Peterka/Benson - xxxx - Tuch/xxxx

Besides defense, we need to do something about our top 6, and we need to do it now. Cozens is inconsistent, he seems to be getting better, but then he has another bad game. Quinn doesn't even look like an NHL player right now. Maybe a trade, maybe give McLeod a stable role in the top 6, but then we don't have a 3C, or try Krebs/Kulich there. Either way, we need to do something about it.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Peterka/Benson - Thompson - Tuch/xxxx
Peterka/Benson - xxxx - Tuch/xxxx

Besides defense, we need to do something about our top 6, and we need to do it now. Cozens is inconsistent, he seems to be getting better, but then he has another bad game. Quinn doesn't even look like an NHL player right now. Maybe a trade, maybe give McLeod a stable role in the top 6, but then we don't have a 3C, or try Krebs/Kulich there. Either way, we need to do something about it.

The very real dilemma is there’s no where for cozens or quinn to go. But I agree, they are sinking this offense.

And defense has some obvious moves to improve it, but those obvious moves have been there and ignored

 

[blingo22]

I didn't see him mention that at all

Really? Post starts talking about "Do modern NHL teams need two #1 puck moving defenseman?" and then literally only makes arguments about Power Play units. That comment you responded to was right on the mark.

This criticism of Power is so overblown, Fjordy is right that it's a roster construction issue. This starts at the top. The only reason trading Power might be good for us is that the haul would be good enough that it could make us better. The only reason the haul would be good enough is because his future potential is there, and those calling for his trade are not confident that the Sabres org can get him here. As soon as we trade him we all know he's going to work out, whether eternally baby-shit soft or not. Some competent organization is going to build around him in the right way. It doesn't matter that he's a 1OA, if removing a 21-year old defenseman from the roster is such a big concern, you definitely should have bigger concerns.

 

[Fjordy]

The very real dilemma is there’s no where for cozens or quinn to go. But I agree, they are sinking this offense.

And defense has some obvious moves to improve it, but those obvious moves have been there and ignored

Everything is clear about defense, what needs to be done there, but something also needs to be done with the attack.

What to do with Cozens and Quinn? There is a trade, there is a position change, there is a press box.
Now I agree to all methods. But if you do nothing, usually little will change. Even Adams sometimes understands this and makes some good deals.

 

[Chainshot]

Devil backups never needed that skill seeing they never played

Under Ruff? Not accurate.

 

[Fjordy]

Really? Post starts talking about "Do modern NHL teams need two #1 puck moving defenseman?" and then literally only makes arguments about Power Play units. That comment you responded to was right on the mark.

This criticism of Power is so overblown, Fjordy is right that it's a roster construction issue. This starts at the top. The only reason trading Power might be good for us is that the haul would be good enough that it could make us better. The only reason the haul would be good enough is because his future potential is there, and those calling for his trade are not confident that the Sabres org can get him here. As soon as we trade him we all know he's going to work out, whether eternally baby-shit soft or not. Some competent organization is going to build around him in the right way. It doesn't matter that he's a 1OA, if removing a 21-year old defenseman from the roster is such a big concern, you definitely should have bigger concerns.

I would say that trading one of Byram/Power could make sense, although I don't want to trade Power at all. No matter how the Byram - Dahlin pair works, it still won't look good on defense, imo. Power needs a stable and reliable partner, he doesn't even have to be expensive, you just need to be able to look.

There are two options here, the first is the most obvious, it's to find a partner for Power in a trade right now.

The second is more difficult, but our defense will become more balanced, it's to trade one of Byram/Power+, where in the trade we will return a top 4 LD/RD who is good in defense + a top 6 forward. I doubt that Adams can handle the second option and I'm even afraid to trust him with it. But he need to resort to the first option.

 

[blingo22]

I would say that trading one of Byram/Power could make sense, although I don't want to trade Power at all. No matter how the Byram - Dahlin pair works, it still won't look good on defense, imo. Power needs a stable and reliable partner, he doesn't even have to be expensive, you just need to be able to look.

There are two options here, the first is the most obvious, it's to find a partner for Power in a trade right now.

The second is more difficult, but our defense will become more balanced, it's to trade one of Byram/Power+, where in the trade we will return a top 4 LD/RD who is good in defense + a top 6 forward. I doubt that Adams can handle the second option and I'm even afraid to trust him with it. But he need to resort to the first option.

Yea, I don't want to trade Power either, but your suggested return at the bottom is exactly right. That is what I meant by big haul.

If they could actually handle the second option, they probably would have been competent enough to not draft Power, or not trade for Byram in the first place into this current roster.

I'm an eternal optimist and I think this roster will only be getting better over the next 2-3 years. I am in no rush to move pieces that will offer significant contributions to the team in the next 5 years just to increase playoff chances for this season. I don't know if management feels the same way, but if they don't, I'd rather have new management in place that sees the same thing.

 

[Fjordy]

Yea, I don't want to trade Power either, but your suggested return at the bottom is exactly right. That is what I meant by big haul.

If they could actually handle the second option, they probably would have been competent enough to not draft Power, or not trade for Byram in the first place into this current roster.

I'm an eternal optimist and I think this roster will only be getting better over the next 2-3 years. I am in no rush to move pieces that will offer significant contributions to the team in the next 5 years just to increase playoff chances for this season. I don't know if management feels the same way, but if they don't, I'd rather have new management in place that sees the same thing.

Then you're lucky to be an eternal optimist, I'm not so much. But we can't know who will contribute in 5 years and who won't, we don't even know if this team will still exist in 5 years. We need to get to the playoffs, and it's Adams' fault that he couldn't prepare the team in the offseason and now we're not in the best position.

I'll try to get my point across again. I want our defense to be more balanced, like Dahlin with a more defensive partner in the first pair, Power with a more defensive partner in the second pair, for that we'll have to trade Byram and find two defensive partners for Dahlin and Power. I think two guys who move the puck, play on the PP and lead the game will be enough for us in the top 4. Ideally, one of the new defensive partners could at least move the puck averagely and take the spot on PP2 if one of Dahlin and Power gets injured. But all this is in an ideal world. Right now we have Dahlin, Power and Byram, and to make a deal in mid-November where we trade Byram, for example, and get a top 4 D defensive player, plus then in another deal we get another top 4 D, that's hard, and probably unrealistic for Adams. Most likely, at least for now, we'll have to work with this trio of defensemen and figure out how to make it work. So Adams needs to go now and add a top 4 RD to play with Power. Because Owen is clearly struggling and it's noticeable. I'm also not giving up on the option to balance our defense in the future. We can trade Byram at the TDL or in the summer, you never know what will happen there.

It's funny that I noticed that Vegas now has Pietro, Hanifin and Theodore in the top 4. Hanifin and Pietro play on the same pair and they weren't very good on defense, Theodore wasn't great either. But they also have a guy like McNabb, and we don't. They also have a deeper defense with Whitecloud, Hague, and Korczak. And of course, the game system is already established and working.

 

[debaser66]

Have been away since 6.11.
See they put up a good stretch and then stumbled again especially with Levi in net.
How is they Cozens, Quinn situation, is Quinn still bad?
Dahlin seem to have improved scoresheet wise.
Was there any significant change or improvement in their play?
I see their faceoff stats are good in a few games and also some PP goals.
Can someone asses objectively in a calm manner
Thank you !
I hope you had a great time around here!

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Under Ruff? Not accurate.

No. When Brodeur was their goalie

 

[blingo22]

Then you're lucky to be an eternal optimist, I'm not so much. But we can't know who will contribute in 5 years and who won't, we don't even know if this team will still exist in 5 years. We need to get to the playoffs, and it's Adams' fault that he couldn't prepare the team in the offseason and now we're not in the best position.

I'll try to get my point across again. I want our defense to be more balanced, like Dahlin with a more defensive partner in the first pair, Power with a more defensive partner in the second pair, for that we'll have to trade Byram and find two defensive partners for Dahlin and Power.

Yea, the only difference for me is I don't think we need to get to the playoffs this year. I think the organization has fumbled itself into enough young talent that we will get there next year, but I'm in no rush. But I also don't trust the management long term. I want that to change the most, more than any specific players.

Your point about the defense has been made before and I completely agree. IMO If we're going to make a move this year I would like to trade Bryam + prospects to get back some good pieces to balance out the roster.

 

[debaser66]

Byram’s ticket isn’t gonna be that big idk why this is the automatic assumption. Say they trade Sammy and Joker will that’s 8+ million back

They have already a high % of cap spent on D and he is a surplus need.
The forwards on the otherhand could use a top6 upgrade.
Also you have to fill those voids of Joker & Sammy with some vet signings.
They cannot go with ELCs especially considering how imbalanced they are on the backend.

 

[Fjordy]

Yea, the only difference for me is I don't think we need to get to the playoffs this year. I think the organization has fumbled itself into enough young talent that we will get there next year, but I'm in no rush. But I also don't trust the management long term. I want that to change the most, more than any specific players.

Your point about the defense has been made before and I completely agree. IMO If we're going to make a move this year I would like to trade Bryam + prospects to get back some good pieces to balance out the roster.

Well, I think we should still make it to the playoffs, it’s about time.

 

[Chainshot]

Amazing insight on his part.

I don’t know anything but something might happen.

We can neither confirm nor deny that something may or may not be happening.

Is he bucking for a government communication job?

 

[Chainshot]

So 95-97 million USD? That's a lot of D.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1857966867328983253

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

They have already a high % of cap spent on D and he is a surplus need.
The forwards on the otherhand could use a top6 upgrade.
Also you have to fill those voids of Joker & Sammy with some vet signings.
They cannot go with ELCs especially considering how imbalanced they are on the backend.

It's going to cost about 14 mil just to re-sign Peterka, Greenway, Mcleod, Quinn, NAK, Levi, and suffer the 3 mil bump in Skinner's buy-out penalty.

It should be around a net-zero difference in replacing or re-signing Jokiharju, Bryson, and Gilbert.

So if Buffalo uses the almost 7 mil in cap space they have now, and combine that with a cap ceiling increase of around 8 mil, they will have just enough cap room to ice the exact same roster they have today. The wild card will be what they decide to do about Zucker. That could be 5 mil of cap space to improve elsewhere, but obviously Zucker is the decent vet they need more of, not less of in order to save space just to bring up Kulich or Rosen. That's just treading water like KA has already been doing.

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

It's going to cost about 14 mil just to re-sign Peterka, Greenway, Mcleod, Quinn, NAK, Levi, and suffer the 3 mil bump in Skinner's buy-out penalty.

It should be around a net-zero difference in replacing or re-signing Jokiharju, Bryson, and Gilbert.

So if Buffalo uses the almost 7 mil in cap space they have now, and combine that with a cap ceiling increase of around 8 mil, they will have just enough cap room to ice the exact same roster they have today. The wild card will be what they decide to do about Zucker. That could be 5 mil of cap space to improve elsewhere, but obviously Zucker is the decent vet they need more of, not less of in order to save space just to bring up Kulich or Rosen. That's just treading water like KA has already been doing.

You realize with a 95 mil cap next year the Sabres will have 33 mil in cap space including skinners buyout already accounted for? I don’t think your numbers are right

Buffalo Sabres Salary Cap, Cap Hit, Buffalo Sabres Contracts | Puckpedia

puckpedia.com

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Amazing insight on his part.

I don’t know anything but something might happen.

Ohh, stop picking on him, I'm sure he's hearing something but cannot say exactly. Lets see some of you on crazy s/m. I think @Gabrielor is the only one.

 

[dickiedunnwrotethis]

Everything is clear about defense, what needs to be done there, but something also needs to be done with the attack.

What to do with Cozens and Quinn? There is a trade, there is a position change, there is a press box.
Now I agree to all methods. But if you do nothing, usually little will change. Even Adams sometimes understands this and makes some good deals.

Position change for change for Cozens. I don't believe he's a 2C on a contending team. He doesn't have the IQ to play that role, let alone fill in when the 1C goes down with injury. This season should be the test on whether he can be top 6 winger.

Press box for Quinn. Not as a punishment, I think he actually trying. That's the sad part. So give him time - a lot of time - to get his head or body or whatever's wrong with him fixed.

In general, I think the forward group is almost as badly constructed as our defense. Too many toolsy guys, not enough brains and not enough willingness to get into the fight.

 

[Fjordy]

brains

This is why I want to get Zegras out of Anaheim. The guy is better at center than he is on the wing, and their coach, judging from the Ducks board reading, is a total ass and keeps trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. I know I'm in the minority on trading for Zegras, but I get it.