I've heard 2 not 3. There's probably close to 20 other D better or similar to Willander. Lekkerimaki isn't exactly showing as if he's a legit 1st liner. So probably another 25 similar or better to him. So that puts about 20-25 teams with similar prospects. Probably most teams have their own D-Petey or two. Pretty big drop off in forwards. Klimovich and Mueller are under 22nds in the AHL that are somewhere in the 30-40th in scoring. So each team having again 1 or 2 similar players to them. Kirill you know and Mynio. Most seem to know and think Canucks prospects are always better but there are so many teams that have something similar. 30th maybe a bit harsh but they look like they are better because they have better goaltending. The pool is weak, the NHL team isn't winning.
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This is incredibly wrong.
If he's the 25th-best forward prospect, he's a top-50 NHL prospect right now. My statement isn't incorrect.
Also incredibly wrong.
Again, we have 3 top-50ish prospects and the average team would have 1.5.
Most teams don't have multiple Mynio/KK-level D prospects, and certainly not as their 3rd and 4th-best D prospects.
I've generally been the harshest person on this board about prospects for a very, very long time. Our defensive prospect group is top-5 in the NHL, our forwards are probably about 20th, and our goalies are probably around 25th. We're a middle-of-the-pack system. Again, there is no logical argument to the contrary.
Our forgotten prospect, Basile Sansonnens and his team, the Rimouski Oceanic, have a chance to advance tonight. I won't be watching, but the puck drops in 15 minutes for anybody who'd like to catch him in action. He's been a slow starter offensively, but has started to put up points in recent games.
I put this in the other thread but I'll drop it here to give context to this ranking
He outright mentions his model doesn't think highly of EP2 and Willander. And he has Riley Patterson as a top 5 prospect for the Canucks, meaning his model is likely low on Kudryavtsev, Mynio, and Mancini as well.
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I put this in the other thread but I'll drop it here to give context to this ranking
He outright mentions his model doesn't think highly of EP2 and Willander. And he has Riley Patterson as a top 5 prospect for the Canucks, meaning his model is likely low on Kudryavtsev, Mynio, and Mancini as well.
If your model is that bad, why bother posting about it?
On a lighter note, translating the QMJHL website is a riot:
Non-sporty driving and Extreme Party Misconduct nearly killed me with laughter.
Non-sporty driving and Extreme Party Misconduct nearly killed me with laughter.
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I put this in the other thread but I'll drop it here to give context to this ranking
He outright mentions his model doesn't think highly of EP2 and Willander. And he has Riley Patterson as a top 5 prospect for the Canucks, meaning his model is likely low on Kudryavtsev, Mynio, and Mancini as well.
D are hard to project are they not? Even for scouts.
If your model is worthless on ~1/3rd of players, why even bother with it?
Show me some actual proof that I'm wrong. Your opinion is how I'm wrong. I don't know you form a hole in the ground but I guarantee if you are on message boards like me, your opinion holds equal weight to mine. So I guess in my opinion. You're wrong. Bader's opinion's wrong, mine's wrong, the next guy's is wrong.
If the Canucks have such stud D players that no other teams have, why the hell does the GM feel the need to add so many D.
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Fwiw- I looked up Bader when his ranking was first posted here. I came across his 2023 top 32. Willander wasn't a 1st rounder according to his model. I'm guessing his 'model' is just some version of a points based NHLe. His opinion isn't worth getting worked up about. All these team prospect rankings are fairly meaningless, even the best ones. imo.
You post shit from guys known to run bad models, kick up a fuss when we don't immediately agree with you, and respond by refusing to elaborate on your claims when called on it. You don't post opinions, you pick things you know will stir up trouble, and then - your words not mine - end up "laughing the whole time". You know what stirring up trouble and laughing about it is called: trolling. In most places, that will get you banned.
Oh it's shit. Lol. He did have Stankoven at 15th or something, that would be have been nice to pick up instead of Klim.
The hockey news posted prospect ranking way back and it had Evan Barratt something like 30 spots ahead of Adam Gaudette in 17-18 after Gaudette had won the hobey baker. Barratt never played an NHL game.
Again, is this your board? It is personal to you?
"You post shit". It's a forum, is there a regulation as to who can be posted? I haven't seen that.
I did post an opinion that the Canucks farm system is lacking. You chose to be "stirred up" by that.
It is funny to me that by me posting something, that isn't again any rules that some people get so hurt by it, it turns into a conversation like this.
Get this through your head. You think my opinion is wrong. Well I think your opinion is wrong. You deciding to come argue over what I post, isn't on me. That's you doing that. I don't need to elaborate how I feel to whatever standard you have chosen. If you think that I'm wrong because of that. That's your opinion and that doesn't make my opinion wrong.
Who said anything about THN? That publication is well known as a rag and has been for years.
The only half-decent way of ranking prospects, without scouting them all yourself and being an excellent scout using modern analytics, is to aggregate lists from as many reputable sources as possible and combine that with player stats and scouting reports to form an opinion. These private models from social media hacks all suck because you can't be informed about what they're making the picks they are and, in sports scouting, the method is as important as the output.
i'm on your side but this forum is extremely hostile to anything that isn't conventional wisdom when it comes to prospects. anything approaching a minority view is basically shouted down. it's basically pointless to try to engage in good faith if you aren't just parroting eliteprospects
it sucks because it means there's no real discussion except for only the most specific things (is this skater's puck handling great or only good? is atchenson a better prospect than jackson?)
How you think you've "one upped" me here even is more hilarious.
The only half-decent way of ranking prospects, without scouting them all yourself and being an excellent scout using modern analytics, is to aggregate lists from as many reputable sources as possible and combine that with player stats and scouting reports to form an opinion.
Wholy crap, without you telling me that, I would've never thought of any of that decades ago. You are on the same board as I am, pretending as if you are the only one who thinks like that is mind boggling to say the least.
You brought up THN in defence of this model that apparently made exactly one pick that worked out. You tried to slip in a false equivalence, you can't laugh at this because this other thing is worse, so I stated how I believe scouting should be done. Rather than being defensive about people not liking Bader's model, perhaps you could look for more picks that it's made and argue with actual evidence behind your words.
If I wanted to clown on you, I'd point out that you're posting in a thread where I collect the stats of our prospects and provide a service to the forum and its users and then ask what exactly it is that you do around here. It's only one of several things I do around here, BTW.
But to bring this thread back to being useful, some updates people may have missed.
1) Basile Sansonnens and the Rimouski Oceanic have advanced to the QMJHL finals.
2) Lekkerimaki was at practice in a regular practice uniform. We don't know if he'll play tomorrow, but he appears to be healthy.
1) Basile Sansonnens and the Rimouski Oceanic have advanced to the QMJHL finals.
2) Lekkerimaki was at practice in a regular practice uniform. We don't know if he'll play tomorrow, but he appears to be healthy.
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