Prospect Info: The 2024 - 2025 Prospect Thread: Part 2: WE ARE SO F***ING BACK

[ManVanFan]

No, that trade in particular paid off in spades - however you could ask the question on whether it was the right move for the direction of the team at the time. Either way, it (sort of) worked out.


As for picks in rounds 1-5 traded away during Benning's tenure (almost exclusively as a non playoff team) :

2014 2nd
2015 2nd
2016 2nd
2016 2nd
2016 3rd
2016 4th
2016 5th
2017 5th
2018 4th
2019 3rd
2020 1st
2020 2nd
2021 1st
2021 3rd
2021 4th
2021 5th
2022 2nd
2022 3rd

Two 1sts, six 2nds and four 3rds over his tenure - while acquiring very little for picks in return and absolutely squandering the development of the few prospects in possession.

Its astounding looking back upon it. Allvin and Rutherford haven't batted 100% but at least you can fathom the process and strategy behind their deals.

Benning gave up a 4th and a 5th for Madison freakin' Bowey for Christ's sake!

Looking back, the 2016 offseason may be the worst managed season for a team in pro sports. Acquiring Gudbranson, Sutter and Louie Eriksson while giving up an absolute boatload of picks.

That said, the 2020/21 offseasons aren't far behind...

What a dark era to reminisce about.

Dylan Guenther is 11 points away from Garland's career high with 27 games to go. Possible in 2022 with their second rounder, Tristan Luneau RHD or Matthew Poitras C. Somehow ended up with a much lesser forward and a cap recapture instead.

Benning made a few picks to begin with then starting trading away the picks and prospects too early and the team went nowhere. Now this new management made a few picks and are now doing the exact same thing. At least this management has made some better trades but they are still failing to do the developing part.

Here's the Rookie scoring for the Canucks since 20-21 seasons
Hoglander 27 in 56
Podz 26 in 79
Aman 16 in 68

Not much developing going on for a team that has been out of the playoffs and in the bottom half of the table

 

[Lindgren]

Last night:
Romani scored two goals.
Patterson had an assist.
Mynio was pointless.
Alriksson and Alcos remain injured (I assume, as they're not playing).

Ty Young started, his second in two nights. After back-to-back shutouts, he allowed two goals ...
on 47 shots.

 

[IComeInPeace]

Ty Young started, his second in two nights. After back-to-back shutouts, he allowed two goals ...
on 47 shots.

Geez…his save percentage on the season is .934

I’m not sure who the starter is now (I may incorrectly be assuming it is Young), but Lemieux (the other goalie in Kalamazoo) has a .918 save percentage

 

[Lindgren]

Geez…his save percentage on the season is .934

I’m not sure who the starter is now (I may incorrectly be assuming it is Young), but Lemieux (the other goalie in Kalamazoo) has a .918 save percentage

Young is getting more starts overall. And he's had at least the last three in a row.

 

[Lindgren]

Geez…his save percentage on the season is .934

I’m not sure who the starter is now (I may incorrectly be assuming it is Young), but Lemieux (the other goalie in Kalamazoo) has a .918 save percentage

... and, he's just been called up to Abbotsford:

The Goalie of the Future

 

[Wisp]

what’s impressive is that the pool was left completely barren and it’s climbed out of the muck with 2 first round picks and no seconds.

this is why I'm generally not bothered about where our pool is at compared to past years. reasonable confident they'll tow the line well and fill the gaps with player development.

 

[Raistlin]

If you’re just looking at Wheeler, I checked last night and he didn’t have Mancini ranked at all for the Rangers. So he wouldn’t move the needle for the Canucks in his eyes.

Wheelers rankings are only good as a compilation of notable prospects for each team. He still misses quite a bit too.

Personally, I’m a big Dave Hall fan. He’s also technically a coworker now but even before then I trusted his opinions.

The Canucks prospect pool isn’t amazing but if they can get 3 NHL defencemen out of the 5 they have tracking well, that’s a damn good haul and better than most in the league. What’s impressive is that the pool was left completely barren and it’s climbed out of the muck with 2 first round picks and no seconds.

If you look at the Rangers page, someone asked him why he didn't rate Mancini in the comments (many did), he believes he graduated. If he included him, he will be around somewhere at the tail end of their tier 2. Around 5-7

 

[Vector]

If you look at the Rangers page, someone asked him why he didn't rate Mancini in the comments (many did), he believes he graduated. If he included him, he will be around somewhere at the tail end of their tier 2. Around 5-7

That’s so very stupid. Mancini didn’t graduate by any standard.

Then again, the parameters hockey sites use to determine a prospect is needless. The NHL has a definition of what counts as a “prospect”. No reason not to use college eligibility.

 

[Raistlin]

That’s so very stupid. Mancini didn’t graduate by any standard.

Then again, the parameters hockey sites use to determine a prospect is needless. The NHL has a definition of what counts as a “prospect”. No reason not to use college eligibility.

I agree, it's stupid, he tweeted that he excluded him because of his age/NHL time. Yet curiously included Rempe. I would put Mancini ahead of Emery too, which he ranked really high at #3. Mancini can solidly play top 6, Emery I just cannot see how he has any outstanding attributes. Mancini now goes from one logjam into another with the emergence of EP25.

Does Mancini play a consistently mean game? Having both him and EP25 relatively mobile D that bang bodies will be a boon in series like Edm's.

 

[Lindgren]

I agree, it's stupid, he tweeted that he excluded him because of his age/NHL time. Yet curiously included Rempe. I would put Mancini ahead of Emery too, which he ranked really high at #3. Mancini can solidly play top 6, Emery I just cannot see how he has any outstanding attributes. Mancini now goes from one logjam into another with the emergence of EP25.

Does Mancini play a consistently mean game? Having both him and EP25 relatively mobile D that bang bodies will be a boon in series like Edm's.

I don't think that Mancini is facing a logjam. He plays the right side, and even projecting Willander into the line-up, there's still room there. It'll be a bit busy, perhaps, but as Myers ages out, there'll be space.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Where does Tryamkin fit into the lineup now?

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Dylan Guenther is 11 points away from Garland's career high with 27 games to go. Possible in 2022 with their second rounder, Tristan Luneau RHD or Matthew Poitras C. Somehow ended up with a much lesser forward and a cap recapture instead.

Benning made a few picks to begin with then starting trading away the picks and prospects too early and the team went nowhere. Now this new management made a few picks and are now doing the exact same thing. At least this management has made some better trades but they are still failing to do the developing part.

Here's the Rookie scoring for the Canucks since 20-21 seasons
Hoglander 27 in 56
Podz 26 in 79
Aman 16 in 68

Not much developing going on for a team that has been out of the playoffs and in the bottom half of the table

I don't know about that. DPetey and KK has developed pretty well in Abby. Lekk is having a very strong first season in NA and tracking to be a top 6 player in the NHL down the road. Raty has made incremental progress. Other long shots like Sasson, Bains, Karlsson also has done enough to merit a few games in the NHL. Hoglander had kind of re-developed his game a bit after getting yo-yo'd by Green.

I don't think the current management group has too much qualify prospects to work with since they arrived, but with whatever that they do have, they had done mostly a good job in Abby developing them, I think.

**Hughes also took a major step under the current management group. I don't know if you can call his ascension as "development" in the traditional sense, but I think Allvin/JR brought in the right coach and put Quinn in a good environment (giving him the captaincy) to unlock Quinn's full potential.

 

[Raistlin]

I don't know about that. DPetey and KK has developed pretty well in Abby. Lekk is having a very strong first season in NA and tracking to be a top 6 player in the NHL down the road. Raty has made incremental progress. Other long shots like Sasson, Bains, Karlsson also has done enough to merit a few games in the NHL. Hoglander had kind of re-developed his game a bit after getting yo-yo'd by Green.

I don't think the current management group has too much qualify prospects to work with since they arrived, but with whatever that they do have, they had done mostly a good job in Abby developing them, I think.

**Hughes also took a major step under the current management group. I don't know if you can call his ascension as "development" in the traditional sense, but I think Allvin/JR brought in the right coach and put Quinn in a good environment (giving him the captaincy) to unlock Quinn's full potential.

I think JR did a good job hiring Malhotra and promoting Johnson, he did a lot of infrastructure building, as a result, even with a darth of draft picks forever, they still manage to develop their picks at a good clip since he took over. The D pipeline is the strongest they've been for a long time, and Abby is in a playoff position, despite a string of key injuries at the big club. Honestly pretty impressed what they did with what they have.

I was criticizing management for soon long under Benning, I cannot believe how much I like JR's direction in both big and farm club.

 

[wetcoast]

Where does Tryamkin fit into the lineup now?

Funny I was just going to post that Victor Mancini seems to be our new lite version of him and frankly I doubt he has much impact as a Canuck but people are going to get over excited about his size, skating and that always untapped potential.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Funny I was just going to post that Victor Mancini seems to be our new lite version of him and frankly I doubt he has much impact as a Canuck but people are going to get over excited about his size, skating and that always untapped potential.

Fair comment. I guess we will never know whether he would have

a) never really had a NHL career. or,

b) been a steady 5 -6 with call up ability or,

c) been a steady top 4, or actually a good fit in the top 2.

He has been decent from what I can find at Avtomobilist but not a star.

 

[wetcoast]

Fair comment. I guess we will never know whether he would have

a) never really had a NHL career. or,

b) been a steady 5 -6 with call up ability or,

I think we saw what he was which is one of the 2 options above, probably the second one.

All the hope for the options were below where based on his frame and little else really.

c) been a steady top 4, or actually a good fit in the top 2.

He has been decent from what I can find at Avtomobilist but not a star.

 

[Raistlin]

Who exactly is underrating him? Analysts or Canucks fans? The only thing I've heard since he was drafted was that he is likely to be a 3rd pairing defender and that's continued from what I've heard through the years from analysts.

he was drafted 80th, he was "LIKELY" to be nothing. if all the stars align he would be a dressable NHL defender. It would be naive to think that without decent development, he would have more than a 20% chance to make it. Analysts definitely were saying that Allvin reached for him in his draft year, until he showed up playing important minutes at the world juniors. Canuck fans were disappointed that he didn't get to play with Lekk in Orebro. What we have in 2025 looks like a #4/#5 type D. I would call that exceeding expectations.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Benning gave up a 4th and a 5th for Madison freakin' Bowey for Christ's sake!

I've had to correct this probably a dozen times already, but this never happened. Bowey wasn't traded for a 4th and a 5th, and he wasn't traded for a 4th or really any draft pick at all. He was traded with Vancouver's 4th for Chicago's 5th. The difference in the value of these picks is barely measurable and the trade was made to permit the team to move Jordie Benn and save several hundred thousand dollars.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I've had to correct this probably a dozen times already, but this never happened. Bowey wasn't traded for a 4th and a 5th, and he wasn't traded for a 4th or really any draft pick at all. He was traded with Vancouver's 4th for Chicago's 5th. The difference in the value of these picks is barely measurable and the trade was made to permit the team to move Jordie Benn and save several hundred thousand dollars.

Hmm - not sure you have it quite right. I found this:

On April 12, 2021, during the 2021 NHL Trade Deadline, Bowey and a 2021 fifth-round pick were traded to the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for a 2021 fourth-round pick.

Not sure how that transaction allowed us to move Benn, as he was moved at the trade deadline in 2021 for Wpg's 2021 6th rounder.

And I have a signed Jordie Benn jersey, which in theory was game worn, and then signed. He was good enough to have a marker with him to sign it with

 

[bandwagonesque]

Hmm - not sure you have it quite right. I found this:

On April 12, 2021, during the 2021 NHL Trade Deadline, Bowey and a 2021 fifth-round pick were traded to the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for a 2021 fourth-round pick.

Not sure how that transaction allowed us to move Benn, as he was moved at the trade deadline in 2021 for Wpg's 2021 6th rounder.

And I have a signed Jordie Benn jersey, which in theory was game worn, and then signed. He was good enough to have a marker with him to sign it with

I'm pretty sure 2021 and 2021 were the same year

 

[sting101]

From what i've gathered on the Rangers boards Mancini was considered a tool no toolbox turnover machine. His upside according to their fans looked to be similar to a bigger faster Juulsen. A depth RD

Hard to say how he will acclimate and advance as he matures but he has intriguing tools and has plenty of runway. The dream would be a Kesselring type

 

[WTG]

From what i've gathered on the Rangers boards Mancini was considered a tool no toolbox turnover machine. His upside according to their fans looked to be similar to a bigger faster Juulsen. A depth RD

Hard to say how he will acclimate and advance as he matures but he has intriguing tools and has plenty of runway. The dream would be a Kesselring type

A first-year pro and straight into the NHL would do that to a player. Imagine going from the NCAA and right into the NHL when you are a player without top-end vision and composure. From what I see in Abby, he's a quick player who can't handle making plays at those quick speeds. He's a true north/south player. As you said, whether he can develop or adapt to higher speed and intensity is a question.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I'm pretty sure 2021 and 2021 were the same year

Sorry, I was trying to say your wording was poor, not wrong. I misunderstood what you were saying the way you worded it.

You said He was traded with Vancouver's 4th for Chicago's 5th. It should have said "He was traded to Vancouver with Chicago 5th for Vancouver's 4th."

Regardless, I am interested in how that had anything to do with Benn?

 

[bandwagonesque]

Sorry, I was trying to say your wording was poor, not wrong. I misunderstood what you were saying the way you worded it.

You said He was traded with Vancouver's 4th for Chicago's 5th. It should have said "He was traded to Vancouver with Chicago 5th for Vancouver's 4th."

Regardless, I am interested in how that had anything to do with Benn?

It was an aside. For months after the trade people kept saying, "Benning traded a 4th for this guy and he's not even very good!" when in reality they moved down 30 spots late in the draft to get a warm body to replace Benn on the roster and save a bunch of money.

 

[VanJack]

From what i've gathered on the Rangers boards Mancini was considered a tool no toolbox turnover machine. His upside according to their fans looked to be similar to a bigger faster Juulsen. A depth RD

Hard to say how he will acclimate and advance as he matures but he has intriguing tools and has plenty of runway. The dream would be a Kesselring type

I think Mancini basically replaces Desharnais, as the Canucks 'project d-man'. He's a lot younger, skates far better, and has more basic tools to work with.

The feeling on Desharnais, was that Foote and Gonchar could help him improve his game and that he might become more than a seventh d-man. Obviously it didn't work out.

Lets see what they can do with Mancini.