Prospect Info: The 2024 - 2025 Prospect Thread: Part 2: WE ARE SO F***ING BACK

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The prospect pool is floundering. Big years from some last year have slowed this year. Normal for a bunch of tweener prospects. Canucks need to draft in the first two rounds multiple years in a row and hit at least once a year for any sort of sustained success. As long as management doesn't f-up the rest of GMing.

Anyone who thought these junior players were en route to regular NHL duty in 3 years were absolutely dreaming. The fact that D-Petey jumped in to NHL action and looked as good as he did has me more excited about our prospect group. Not really floundering with such a hit there....
 
Anyone who thought these junior players were en route to regular NHL duty in 3 years were absolutely dreaming. The fact that D-Petey jumped in to NHL action and looked as good as he did has me more excited about our prospect group. Not really floundering with such a hit there....
One player makes you excited our the prospect group. That shows how f-ing sad the group is then. Lol.
 
DPettersson breaking out massively and Lekkerimaki pacing for 50 goals is way more important than if Riley Patterson is scoring at a good rate or whatever.

Yeah, we have 3 prospects (Wilander, EP2, Lekkerimaki) who are top-50 in the NHL all progressing very well.

The strength of a prospect pool is the top guys, not whether Romani or Alcos have elevated their stock or not.

Our prospect pool at D might be the best in the NHL, full stop.
 
Anyone who thought these junior players were en route to regular NHL duty in 3 years were absolutely dreaming. The fact that D-Petey jumped in to NHL action and looked as good as he did has me more excited about our prospect group. Not really floundering with such a hit there....
Hard to be disappointed when it looks like we got basically 2 potential top4 D and a top 6 winger and maybe 2 3rd pairing D from 2 drafts…
I think the only downer is the last draft but we did got some trade value out of Fernstom at least in the short term.
 
One player makes you excited our the prospect group. That shows how f-ing sad the group is then. Lol.

No. We have Lekkerimaki, Willander and D-Petey all looking like future NHL'ers

You are over-rating depth prospects. They don't really matter in determining the strength of a prospect pool. It is all about the top of your crop, and right now we are looking good in that area.
 
No. We have Lekkerimaki, Willander and D-Petey all looking like future NHL'ers

You are over-rating depth prospects. They don't really matter in determining the strength of a prospect pool. It is all about the top of your crop, and right now we are looking good in that area.
Canucks had no first rounder or second rounder in 2020; no first rounder in 2021; no second rounder in 2022; no second rounder in 2023; and of course no first or second rounder in 2024.

I guess there were some logical reasons for surrendering these picks at the time. And I suppose the Canucks wouldn't have 'hit' on all of them.

But you can't help but wonder how much better their prospect pipeline would be if they'd kept more of those high picks.
 
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Yeah, we have 3 prospects (Wilander, EP2, Lekkerimaki) who are top-50 in the NHL all progressing very well.
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Our prospect pool at D might be the best in the NHL, full stop.
This hadn't really occurred to me, I wonder if the rest of the league would share that opinion.

Willander
D-Petey
Kud
Mynio
Mancini

Is pretty damn solid. No clue where to slot Mancini into that
 
You're trying to reason with someone who thinks the regression of Vilmer Alriksson and Anthony Romani has tanked our prospect pool.
You tried to reason with me? "Anyone who thought these junior players were en route to regular NHL duty in 3 years were absolutely dreaming." How do you manage to come up with that from what I said?

I'm sorry I don't share the excitement about a projected 3rd pairing D playing 3rd pair D for 6 games.

The Canucks had 3 for sure NHLers Hughes, Pettersson, Demko in 2018 and since then Hoglander. Provided a lot of help to the Canucks having to pay for depth players at 2-3 times the cost. Costing assets to acquire some depth players.

You're trying to reason with someone who thinks the regression of Vilmer Alriksson and Anthony Romani has tanked our prospect pool.
You just create a whole new narrative for someone to pretend that yours is right. Impressive.
 
Dave Hall Canucks army on the prospect pool.

I think I’d be remiss if I did not run with the boss’s question out the gate, right?
What's been the biggest challenge about doing these latest prospect rankings? (aside from me asking you to write all 20 by yourself)
The truthful answer is that this Canucks’ system isn’t chock-full of high-end talent. Sure, a select few filters to the top without question, but there is a real log-jam of “hopeful projects” and older “tweener” type players.
That’s difficult to “rank.”
Realistically, the difference between each of our ranked prospects from, let’s say, 5-12 is very minimal. It’s not that the prospects within that range aren’t skilled; it’s just simply easier to pinpoint and predict what will come of a prospect such as Tom Willander or even Elias Pettersson (D).
For lack of a better term, it’s a bit of a crapshoot in that mid-to-late range.
While every team has those types of mid-range prospects, they typically don’t carry an entire prospect pool filled to the brim. Truthfully, this Canucks prospect pool is just that, with the exception of maybe four.

It’s propped up by two “blue chip” prospects, Jonathan Lekkerimaki and Tom Willander. However, that stock drops off a cliff after three or four.

 
Dave Hall Canucks army on the prospect pool.

I think I’d be remiss if I did not run with the boss’s question out the gate, right?
What's been the biggest challenge about doing these latest prospect rankings? (aside from me asking you to write all 20 by yourself)
The truthful answer is that this Canucks’ system isn’t chock-full of high-end talent. Sure, a select few filters to the top without question, but there is a real log-jam of “hopeful projects” and older “tweener” type players.
That’s difficult to “rank.”
Realistically, the difference between each of our ranked prospects from, let’s say, 5-12 is very minimal. It’s not that the prospects within that range aren’t skilled; it’s just simply easier to pinpoint and predict what will come of a prospect such as Tom Willander or even Elias Pettersson (D).
For lack of a better term, it’s a bit of a crapshoot in that mid-to-late range.
While every team has those types of mid-range prospects, they typically don’t carry an entire prospect pool filled to the brim. Truthfully, this Canucks prospect pool is just that, with the exception of maybe four.

It’s propped up by two “blue chip” prospects, Jonathan Lekkerimaki and Tom Willander. However, that stock drops off a cliff after three or four.

As does most prospect pools.
 
Also, that guy says that the prospect pool is middling, not that it's "f-ing sad" or "floundering".

If we're doing the whole appeal to authority thing with some random writer, Scott Wheeler had them ranked at 21st before EP2 played any NHL games, so they have probably gone up several spots since then. They're probably somewhere around 15th in the league.

The idea that this prospect group is terrible is just not rooted in reality at all.
 
DPettersson breaking out massively and Lekkerimaki pacing for 50 goals is way more important than if Riley Patterson is scoring at a good rate or whatever.
Sure these are 2 bright spots but they need to have more hits going forward and a lot of the guys some fans are excited about will end up being waiver wire type of guys or tweeners.
 
Are you able to show a lot of teams that have legitimate top prospects beyond their top 3-4?

I'm not suggesting we are in the upper echelon of pools, but there is reason to be excited about some of the pieces we have.
Willander and Lekkerimaki are very good prospects. Do they project like game changers the same as Hughes and Pettersson were? I doubt anyone would argue they are going to. There is probably 10 teams that have players the same or better then the two mentioned above. Canucks then have 3 D that project as 3rd pairing D. There is probably another 10 teams that have that plus a forward or two with an impact projection. (a middle 6er). Then you get into the teams that have been terrible at drafting or giving up far too many prospects trying to win.

I never said I wasn't excited about some prospects. Beyond that again is the same as after graduating Hughes, Demko, Pettersson. You don't even have a Hoglander, Podkolzin projection unless someone takes a massive leap forward.

I was told that I "over-rated depth". Thanks to having no depth in the pool for a decade, the Canucks have resorted into over paying for bottom 6 and or having to trade for them using assets.
 
Willander and Lekkerimaki are very good prospects. Do they project like game changers the same as Hughes and Pettersson were? I doubt anyone would argue they are going to. There is probably 10 teams that have players the same or better then the two mentioned above. Canucks then have 3 D that project as 3rd pairing D. There is probably another 10 teams that have that plus a forward or two with an impact projection. (a middle 6er). Then you get into the teams that have been terrible at drafting or giving up far too many prospects trying to win.

I never said I wasn't excited about some prospects. Beyond that again is the same as after graduating Hughes, Demko, Pettersson. You don't even have a Hoglander, Podkolzin projection unless someone takes a massive leap forward.

I was told that I "over-rated depth". Thanks to having no depth in the pool for a decade, the Canucks have resorted into over paying for bottom 6 and or having to trade for them using assets.
EP and Hughes were #5 and #7 overall, and they weren't even surefire elite players when they were drafted, there were a lot of questions about them. And I don't believe Lekkerimaki or Willander need to be elite at the level of EP or Hughes to be big contributors to the team....I also don't necessarily agree that DPetey, Kudryatsev and Minio project as all bottom pairing defensemen. And I also think we have some depth prospects who will carve out NHL careers, perhaps not with any impactful scoring but as 3rd and 4th liners. That is to say, we may not have a fantastic pool, we have a very mid-ranged pool with some pieces that look like blue chippers...I think from where we were a few years ago, its not too bad.
 
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Willander and Lekkerimaki are very good prospects. Do they project like game changers the same as Hughes and Pettersson were? I doubt anyone would argue they are going to. There is probably 10 teams that have players the same or better then the two mentioned above. Canucks then have 3 D that project as 3rd pairing D. There is probably another 10 teams that have that plus a forward or two with an impact projection. (a middle 6er). Then you get into the teams that have been terrible at drafting or giving up far too many prospects trying to win.
When the team had Hughes and EP1 in their prospect pool, it was probably a top 3 pool in the entire league. This is an entirely unrealistic expectation and I'm not sure there's a single team that has 2 prospects like 2018 Hughes/Pettersson right now.

And again, you're moving the goalposts. Nobody said that this is an elite group of prospects, but it's clearly outside of the bottom 10 and is absolutely fine for a team that finished 6th in the NHL last year. There might be 10 teams that have players like Lekkerimaki/Willander/EP2, but they've all likely finished far lower than us in the standings in the past few years.
I never said I wasn't excited about some prospects. Beyond that again is the same as after graduating Hughes, Demko, Pettersson. You don't even have a Hoglander, Podkolzin projection unless someone takes a massive leap forward.

I was told that I "over-rated depth". Thanks to having no depth in the pool for a decade, the Canucks have resorted into over paying for bottom 6 and or having to trade for them using assets.
Jim Benning being stupid is why we have overpaid for bottom 6 players in the past. None of the Blueger/Suter/O'Connor/Sherwood/Joshua acquisitions have been overpayments. Mikheyev was an overpayment, but it's clear that they saw him as a top 6 player and also never got to see him completely healthy. At most Heinen was an overpayment by a few hundred thousand.
Sure these are 2 bright spots but they need to have more hits going forward and a lot of the guys some fans are excited about will end up being waiver wire type of guys or tweeners.
99% of the prospects people are upset about missing on are going to be waiver wire guys as well.

Why do we specifically need "hits" through the draft? If we have good player development and pro-scouting, it doesn't really matter how many 4th rounders we have and how deep our prospect pool is anyways. They'll obviously eventually need to make more good picks at some point in the future, but that can be said about any team.
 
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Consensus is that this prospect pool is mid. With most underrating EP25. Wheeler's 21st rank doesn't include Mancini and the guy is all about flash. Mancini is probably the 5th ranked prospect on the Rangers.
 
EP and Hughes were #5 and #7 overall, and they weren't even surefire elite players when they were drafted, there were a lot of questions about them. And I don't believe Lekkerimaki or Willander need to be elite at the level of EP or Hughes to be big contributors to the team....I also don't necessarily agree that DPetey, Kudryatsev and Minio project as all bottom pairing defensemen. And I also think we have some depth prospects who will carve out NHL careers, perhaps not with any impactful scoring but as 3rd and 4th liners. That is to say, we may not have a fantastic pool, we have a very mid-ranged pool with some pieces that look like blue chippers...I think from where we were a few years ago, its not too bad.
I disagree with your entire post as of right now except that Willander and Lekkerimaki should contribute to the team. Things can always change from year to year.

Consensus is that this prospect pool is mid. With most underrating EP25. Wheeler's 21st rank doesn't include Mancini and the guy is all about flash. Mancini is probably the 5th ranked prospect on the Rangers.
Who exactly is underrating him? Analysts or Canucks fans? The only thing I've heard since he was drafted was that he is likely to be a 3rd pairing defender and that's continued from what I've heard through the years from analysts.
 

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