GDT: The 2021 NHL Entry Draft Thread! Round 1, 8pm EST on ESPN2!

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I've been tempted to explore over to their board but... Nah...

Bro, it's incredible. What I find amazing about their board is that there's very little bickering when compared to here. If a player objectively sucks on the Oilers nobody there sugar coats it and turns it into a 45 page argument. "BUT HE HAS POTENTIAL!"

But you'll get 40 page threads discussing (in agreement) how much they suck and how much they hate Holland.

 

[RedWingzz]

My guess is Montreal knows other teams are going to be in on this kid.

Say 15 teams think he's a first round talent?
How many of those GMs do think are going to pass up first round talent when he's available?

Yeah valid point, you never know what other GMs are thinking. In my opinion, they could have done it in the 7th, but I have no way of knowing if any other GM was willing to do this.

I mean..at least take some other prospect, and then do this in round 2?

 

[better Red than Dead]

But we passed on Eklund, I can't cheer up....

Eklund is gonna be the best player out of this draft. Let's see what Edvinsson can do. Yeah he skates well, but if he can't handle the puck we're screwed.

Referring to Edvinsson “This is a player who could be the next world star coming out of Sweden," says NHL director of European Scouting Goran Stubb. "He's really, really good. Has the size and the speed and the hockey sense. He's a leader, and he was probably the best 2021 NHL Draft-eligible prospect at the Under-18 World Championship."

 

[jaster]

Criminals committing crimes is really not that big a deal. Where we all need to work harder in drawing the line is publicly criticizing criminals for committing crimes. Otherwise, you're part of the cancel culture problem

Who gives a f***, indeed.

Strange pick by Montreal, given the circumstances. And then Chicago picking right after them. Awkward end to Friday night.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

There is absolutely the need to be a dick because you have been a dick all night. If you dont like the picks who the f*** cares. Steve Yzerman and the scouting staff know more than anyone on this board.
And yah there have been plenty of times when I havent like picks but you know what I am not a scout.
In the last few weeks Yzerman has shored up 2 big holes in the lineup
LD and in Goal
We added a top 4 LD and a calder finalist goalie. Tonight we added a potential top pairing LD and a potential starting goalie.

Minnesota did get good value for their picks but picking Wallstedt at 6th and Lambos at 15th is terrible value. Most people would have been all over Detroit say they really reached.

Wait 5 years or so and then have a fit and bitch if you are proven to be right. Rest assured a lot of us will remember what you said about Cossa and Edvisson tonight. If they turn out like Yzerman hopes we will remind you of the shit you said tongiht.

lol you are angry on a hockey forum.

Edit: If Edvinsson ends up being a first-pair defenseman I'll ask the mods to ban me.

 

[jfrank21]

If he was in Canada or the United States he'd be facing felony charges for making and distributing child pornography. His luck was only that he was in Sweden when he did this. This isn't trivial at all.

That is not true whatsoever. He was 17, she was 18

 

[Shaman464]

That is not true whatsoever. He was 17, she was 18

Yes, he was 17. Taking a picture of a 17 year old having a sex act performed on them is child porn.

 

[RedWingzz]

Referring to Edvinsson “This is a player who could be the next world star coming out of Sweden," says NHL director of European Scouting Goran Stubb. "He's really, really good. Has the size and the speed and the hockey sense. He's a leader, and he was probably the best 2021 NHL Draft-eligible prospect at the Under-18 World Championship."

Yeah thats cool, I'm sure Goran knows his stuff, and Goran obviously watched Edvinsson more than I did this year....

But, I did watch him live a bit as well, and I didn't love his game. Limited sample size for sure, but to me, when I watched him play, he panicked whenever he got the puck. The speed was evident, the size is there, and the sky is the limit....but, can he handle the puck?

We just had a smooth skating, young LHD, with offensive potential leave the organization because he didnt know how to handle the puck, so I just have my concerns.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Bro, it's incredible. What I find amazing about their board is that there's very little bickering when compared to here. If a player objectively sucks on the Oilers nobody there sugar coats it and turns it into a 45 page argument. "BUT HE HAS POTENTIAL!"

But you'll get 40 page threads discussing (in agreement) how much they suck and how much they hate Holland.

One of the worst things about the Wings' fan base is that there is a non-insignificant group of fans who carry the team's water no matter what they do and vociferously argue against anyone who says otherwise. The fact that the fanbase never openly turned against Holland en masse probably bought him a few extra years here.

Compare that with a lot of other fanbases that kind of unanimously go "Yeah, that guy sucks".

 

[jfrank21]

Yes, he was 17. Taking a picture of a 17 year old having a sex act performed on them is child porn.

Lol, yeah they would charge a 17 year old for taking a pic of themselves. Keep stretching because you were misinformed. Show me a case, any case in the US that would back up your claim, and I'll give you a mea culpa

 

[FabricDetails]

Bro, it's incredible. What I find amazing about their board is that there's very little bickering when compared to here. If a player objectively sucks on the Oilers nobody there sugar coats it and turns it into a 45 page argument. "BUT HE HAS POTENTIAL!"

But you'll get 40 page threads discussing (in agreement) how much they suck and how much they hate Holland.

Trying to watch a Ken Holland press conference today with some of the most stereotypical Canadian media figures sprinkled in is like... I have no creative analogy for it but I don't watch for very long. I'm not sure which party I feel worse for in those situations.

 

[Shaman464]

Lol, yeah they would charge a 17 year old for taking a pic of themselves. Keep stretching because you were misinformed

You don't have to believe me

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...cd6ba6-822c-11e9-95a9-e2c830afe24f_story.html

Teens are charged pretty regularly for sending nude/sexually explicit images of themselves, and state level courts are upholding convictions.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I like our night.

Are these the exact moves I'd have made? I mean no, probably not. That's not very realistic on draft night.

Edvinsson has never really woww-ed me personally. That said, I've only been able to see the U18s and a couple of his games with the Frolunda men's team. None of his stuff from the U20s, aside from highlights. I didn't get a chance to speak with him, his coaches, etc. I love his size, love the way he skates, like his defensive instincts generally. As far as his iq and the way he reads the game, again I can't say he's woww-ed me but I really haven't seen enough to say he's "bad" in those aspects.

I think we should all be honest that a 6'4 mobile LHD from Frolunda was like a tailor-made Red Wings pick. Like if you don't personally love his chances of panning out as a top pairing guy that's fair enough, but I think we can all recognize that if we hit on this pick it fills a massive, massive need in our roster. For that reason I'm very much on board with the selection even if I personally have been a bit more impressed with guys like Clarke, Guenther, and Eklund. I mean this is our best LHD prospect since, what...? you'd have to go back like 15+ years.

I'm a Cossa fan, I've liked that fit for us in the late first for quite a while now. Can't pretend I'm some good goalie scout, but I like his tools. I think he's the best goalie prospect we've had in ages. As far as the trade up goes, ultimately I don't think it will matter a ton. If he's not an NHL goalie then it looks bad at #15 and it looks bad at #22. If he's a good starting goalie then it looks good at #15 and it looks good at #22. Ultimately, our brass thinks very highly of the player and felt that he might not be there at #22. They mobilized assets and got their guy. Whether Cossa is a quality NHL goalie will take years to figure out, but I'm just not going to be upset with our brass for going and getting a guy they clearly think can be a long-term solution in net for us.

I don't mind us burning some of the 2nd and 3rd rounders to improve the short/medium term roster and draft in quality > quantity. We took a lot of kicks at the can between '18 and '20, and we'll still draft plenty of kids this weekend. I've got no issue with the more aggressive strategy.

I get that not everybody is going to love these picks. But if you're honest I think you can at least recognize that, if we hit on these players, we'll have had a great night and filled two very glaring holes in our future roster.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

As unhappy as I am with this draft, at least I can say we didn't draft the beejer pic kid. Imagine being the team that drafted that guy.

 

[jfrank21]

You don't have to believe me

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...cd6ba6-822c-11e9-95a9-e2c830afe24f_story.html

Teens are charged pretty regularly for sending nude/sexually explicit images of themselves, and state level courts are upholding convictions.

Ok, you got me. My bad. Even though the court even said this was ridiculous but they have to go by the book. But the book should be changed.
"Even as the court found the law “all encompassing” to include minors, the judges said that “we recognize that there may be compelling policy reasons for treating teenage sexting different from child pornography” and it urged the General Assembly to consider such legislation."
As long as you feel good about ruining a teenagers life, I guess it's ok.

 

[deca guard]

Hakan must have seen Eklund an insane amount. Whichever way we go, I trust they will have done significant homework.

E.X.A.C.T.L.Y. !

 

[Shaman464]

Ok, you got me. My bad. Even though the court even said this was ridiculous but they have to go by the book. But the book should be changed.
"Even as the court found the law “all encompassing” to include minors, the judges said that “we recognize that there may be compelling policy reasons for treating teenage sexting different from child pornography” and it urged the General Assembly to consider such legislation."
As long as you feel good about ruining a teenagers life, I guess it's ok.

The laws can be too black and white in many respects. The point is that he already got very lucky in the respect that he wasn't in a place that he could have caught that charge. But, he very well could have.

 

[jfrank21]

The laws can be too black and white in many respects. The point is that he already got very lucky in the respect that he wasn't in a place that he could have caught that charge. But, he very well could have.

He got charged in Sweden. Last time I checked, they are pretty progressive and not prone to handwaving things like sexual assault away. Even their courts said, that as a minor, his punishment for his crime should be paying a hefty fine. Which he did. But the court of public opinion says otherwise...that's what gets me

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Go blueeeeee

 

[odin1981]

I'm not a scout. This year will not be judged for like 2-3 years because of the covid situation effecting on scouting games and players. I'm fairly neutral on this class until I see at least 2 years of developement on anyone this class. I look forward to watching the progression of our picks however over the coming years.

 

[deca guard]

watched the re-run of wingedwheelpodcast on youtube covering draft
and ken daniels visited , one thing he said twice is that the redwings really like tuomisty

 

[Oddbob]

Edvinsson sounds like a kind of scary pick, when you hear boom or bust. It seems like every prospect with a title like that always busts. Man do we need some of our #1's to actually be awesome and soon.

 

[r0bert8841]

I love that Steve traded up to select Cossa. You could file that under things Ken Holland would never have done.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Edvinsson sounds like a kind of scary pick, when you hear boom or bust. It seems like every prospect with a title like that always busts. Man do we need some of our #1's to actually be awesome and soon.

I’ve seen people calling him Rasmussen 2.0 and I honestly think this will be stevies version of wtf was that pick in the future

 

[Oddbob]

I’ve seen people calling him Rasmussen 2.0 and I honestly think this will be stevies version of wtf was that pick in the future

Yeah, could be. With Rasmussen I can at least see a regular NHL player though. Boom and bust guys either make it or they don't, which is why is it scary to me.