Pre-Game Talk: The 2013-2014 Training Camp/Preseason Discussion Thread

[RangerBoy]

Sather said Stepan has to understand the parameters and limitations that come with the salary cap in the new collective bargaining agreement. As of now, Sather said Stepan seems open to the team's standard two-year "bridge deal" but that the sides remain "too far apart" on dollars to make a deal.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/sto...ngers-far-apart-negotiations-glen-sather-says

Both sides will need to compromise on the dollars.

Derek wants $5M so he can get $4.5M in a long-term deal. Take the 2 year deal. Play your ass off. Vigneault won't play a conservative brand of hockey. The cap will be $75M-$80M for the 15-16 season. Ask for $6M in arbitration and settle for $5.5M. Something like 6 years and $33M.

The Rangers aren't keeping all of these veteran forwards on the roster. Asham. Powe. Pyatt? Boyle?

The young guys are cheap and have performance bonuses so the team can use the bonus cushion. The young guys are better too.

Lindberg was terrific in Sweden last season. He was really good at TC. He comes to camp and earns a job at $760,000. $675,000 and $75,000 in bonuses.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

You can say this based on a report that features no dollar figures?

I cant see them being more than a million dollars apart yearly if the bridge contract is agreed upon. Can you?

 

[Tawnos]

Sather's entire roster are free agents next season. But yea, Im sure hes fretting over what Derek Stepan will be making in 2015-2016.

Hes going to get what hes worth in arbitration regardless - it'll likely be north of $4.5M anyway in 2 years, then again thats a # you've simply pulled out of your ass.

It isn't a random number. That's the largest contract I can figure out how to make fit under this year's cap.

Of course he's fretting over what Stepan will be making when his bridge contract expires. There are three reasons for a bridge contract. One is to keep costs down today. One is to not create a contentious situation over a player wanting a big raise when the bridge is up. One is to open up the possibility of spanning RFA and UFA years, in order to keep costs down. It isn't one of these things, it's all of them.

As for next offseason's roster, if Richards is bought out and the cap goes up as much as expected, there is no way we have any issues. If Richards isn't bought out, then it'll be close, but it will still be doable.

 

[Thirty One]

I cant see them being more than a million dollars apart yearly if the bridge contract is agreed upon. Can you?

No. That's enough for you to place blame?

 

[Stasis]

I'm finally getting annoyed. I've been ignoring this until now.

Give him the money. Let's not turn this into a dramatic fiasco plz =/

 

[Don Chytil]

You can go back just recently and find my thoughts on the situation. That blame would be on Stepan and his agent if they were still fishing for a longer term deal. Now its quite clear the sticking point are likely dollars that Stepan deserves but won't get because the GM has zero clue how to manage a cap.

On a bridge deal, Stepan "deserves" a bit more than 3m, which we have the cap space to give him. Please stop.

Stepan deserves close to Duchene money. Their PPG numbers would be roughly identical at the time they sign their bridge deal. Only real difference is that Duchene was drafted #3, so they overpay a bit at $3.5. Stepan will come in around $3.2. Which we can afford, depth signings or not.

 

[Pizza]

I agree with this totally. I think the assumption is that just because someone calls a player a name or uses some (GULP)..punctuation (we all know how millennials are deathly afraid of punctuation) that it automatically means we are genuinely angry or bitter over it.

At the end of the day, none of this means a damn thing... we post what we are feeling that very second. Do I really still care, or harbor any sort of genuine emotion over Brad Richards having a bad season? Not one iota.

Life is just too short. I hope he has a great year.

Same here. I railed on him a bit last year cause he was coming off like a whiny brat not a highly paid professional. That said, it looked brutal what he was going thru. Hope he can come back and kick arse.

 

[RangerBoy]

Tortorella is making an ass of himself on the 2nd day of training camp

Tortorella says he doesn't want his players on Twitter. Hates it

Tortorella: "I think it's the most narcissistic thing I have ever seen, Twitter"

Tortorella has a twitter account promoting his dog charity. His daughter is on twitter too.

https://twitter.com/JohnTortorella2

More Torts on Twitter: "I am not going to handcuff them and treat them like little kids.

More Torts: "There better be no info come out of the locker-room with that damn Twitter.

https://twitter.com/BradZiemer

 

[ecemleafs]

Kadri got 2 years 2.9m per. Stepan has proven more in his career and is a better player. I'd offer 2 years 3.25-3.5m per.

 

[Thirty One]

I'm finally getting annoyed. I've been ignoring this until now.

Give him the money. Let's not turn this into a dramatic fiasco plz =/

I created a webpage for every one to keep track of the Stepan talks:

http://hasstepansignedyet.rangersunlimited.com/

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

No. That's enough for you to place blame?

Well, when I see Sather handing out a million dollar deals to guys like Pouliot and Moore, and then haggling over that amount for his #1 center, yea, it makes me angry.

If Sather's offering 3 and Stepan wants 4 -- $3.5M per. Ta-da.

I just dont think this thing should've bled into training camp.

 

[Tawnos]

Act older Torts.

 

[Thirty One]

Well, when I see Sather handing out a million dollar deals to guys like Pouliot and Moore, and then haggling over that amount for his #1 center, yea, it makes me angry.

If Sather's offering 3 and Stepan wants 4 -- $3.5M per. Ta-da.

I just dont think this thing should've bled into training camp.

So you're criticizing Sather for both not being able to manage a cap and for not giving Stepan a contract he in no way deserves?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

So you're criticizing Sather for both not being able to manage a cap and for not giving Stepan a contract he in no way deserves?

No, Im not.

I think he deserves 2 years/7M. Seems fair to me for both sides.

 

[Pizza]

I created a webpage for every one to keep track of the Stepan talks:

http://hasstepansignedyet.rangersunlimited.com/

That's good one, lol.

 

[RangerBoy]

That might have been strange for some after playing for the rival Rangers, but Clowe noted that he wasn’t with the Blueshirts for long and faced the Devils only once with them.

“We played them a couple times at the end of the year. One game I didn’t play in, the other game I did,†he said. “But I haven’t had too many rivalry games against these guys. I was only there for a couple months. Most guys are just asking ‘How’s New York?’ They want to know how it is playing there. I’m sure for New York fans this is the last place they wanted to see me go.â€

- See more at: http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/...ates_possible_linemates/#sthash.vsTNFoFP.dpuf

Clowe must not read twitter.

 

[Tawnos]

No, Im not.

I think he deserves 2 years/7M. Seems fair to me for both sides.

I think his point is... how can you place blame on Sather when you don't know what Stepan is asking for? What if he's asking for a cap hit like Landeskog's, $5.5m? What if he's asking for that number that I pulled out of my ass, $4.5m?

We don't know, but you're predisposed to assign blame to Sather, so you do.

 

[Thirty One]

No, Im not.

I think he deserves 2 years/7M. Seems fair to me for both sides.

I would say that's a bit high based on other comparables.

But $3.5 million would be a pretty easy fit, so I'm not sure what Pouliot and Moore have to with this.

 

[GAGLine]

Well, when I see Sather handing out a million dollar deals to guys like Pouliot and Moore, and then haggling over that amount for his #1 center, yea, it makes me angry.

If Sather's offering 3 and Stepan wants 4 -- $3.5M per. Ta-da.

I just dont think this thing should've bled into training camp.

Say what you want about Sather, but he knows exactly what he plans to spend on his RFAs. He didn't sign those other players and then decide that Stepan gets whatever is left. He knew exactly how much Stepan would be getting, give or take. He knew it would be a 2 year deal. That alone would keep the cost down.

This is the only time Sather has the leverage. I won't blame him for using it. Stepan is still going to end up getting more than Couture got after scoring 32 goals.

 

[haveandare]

It might go even further, per Zipay:

Zipay's tweet makes far more sense. I take back my previous rant. Still hoping Richards surges back.

 

[Stasis]

I created a webpage for every one to keep track of the Stepan talks:

http://hasstepansignedyet.rangersunlimited.com/

Perfect.

Alright, everyone listen up.

 

[Fanned On It]

Tortorella is making an ass of himself on the 2nd day of training camp





Tortorella has a twitter account promoting his dog charity. His daughter is on twitter too.

https://twitter.com/JohnTortorella2







https://twitter.com/BradZiemer

I mean, he IS kind of right though, isn't he?

UNLESS you're using Twitter as a means to get actual information out to the public (like a charity or world news or hockey news etc) it's really just a way to pump your own tires and post meaningless thoughts that you THINK people want to read about.

 

[Drewbackatu*]

On a bridge deal, Stepan "deserves" a bit more than 3m, which we have the cap space to give him. Please stop.

Stepan deserves close to Duchene money. Their PPG numbers would be roughly identical at the time they sign their bridge deal. Only real difference is that Duchene was drafted #3, so they overpay a bit at $3.5. Stepan will come in around $3.2. Which we can afford, depth signings or not.

Sounds like we're splitting hairs with this. Management has made it clear that they only give bridge deals to plays coming off of an ELC w/o arbitration rights so that's the reality of the situation. Stepan needs to give in, sign a contract and get his rear-end into camp; it's an important year with a new coach.

Btw, let's get somethng straight; Stepan ain't no Duchene despite the parallel between their #'s the first 3 years of their careers!

 

[Barnaby]

Kreider must be dogging it if Zucc is beating him out

Anxious to see how Staal looks. Girardi looking faster is good news. He got beat pretty badly a few times against Boston. Hrivik making this team would be interesting, rather sure he's more ready than Fast, whom I'd rather play in the A for a year.

JT Miller left the ice...hope he's not hurt too badly

I'm not saying that he dogged it last year, because I don't believe he did, but I'm sure that he was extra motivated to prepare for his contract year.

 

[Crease]

....and my ire now lies directly with Sather. I hope his depth bonanza and retaining Brad Richards was worth this.

Sather is nickel-and-diming Stepan because he can. Not because the Rangers don't have the space (they do). Do you think Stepan would hold out for money the Rangers don't have cap space for? What sense would that make.